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Net Applications: 18% of Mac Users Have Upgraded to Snow Leopard
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It's not even out to retail...
i don't know, i also thought it'd be higher than that. i wonder how this stacks up against leopard when it launched?
I know it suck if apple did drop the price of Leopard to 29 as well. Only because we drop a few k picking up Leopard retail disks so we could keep the G5's we have working for another year or two. It would be good for everyone else thou....
Oh what i was told by people who know is that the reason the G5 was dropped was due to uniqueness of it's Floating point accelerators and them not playing well if the new Grand Central and OpenCL combo in SL. But it's not like those machine just stopped working that will still kick on for as long as the hardware allows. Your just stuck working with what you had a month ago, but if it was good enough a month ago to do the job then what has changed in that time.
That 18% figure would be the installed and actively using right?
Does it measure unique machines?
How do you account for those who installed on a second boot disk but only use SL maybe once a week to test how apps are performing and the like.
If those installs are counted I guess we can also draw the conclusion 18% of Mac users are Developers, IT Professionals, IT Guys (ie. non-IT professional who "landed" the role of techno-baby sitting the rest of their office) and people who mostly use Mail, Safari and iTunes.
Oh what i was told by people who know is that the reason the G5 was dropped was due to uniqueness of it's Floating point accelerators and them not playing well if the new Grand Central and OpenCL combo in SL. But it's not like those machine just stopped working that will still kick on for as long as the hardware allows. Your just stuck working with what you had a month ago, but if it was good enough a month ago to do the job then what has changed in that time.
That 18% figure would be the installed and actively using right?
Does it measure unique machines?
How do you account for those who installed on a second boot disk but only use SL maybe once a week to test how apps are performing and the like.
If those installs are counted I guess we can also draw the conclusion 18% of Mac users are Developers, IT Professionals, IT Guys (ie. non-IT professional who "landed" the role of techno-baby sitting the rest of their office) and people who mostly use Mail, Safari and iTunes.
It was released July 22 to corporate, and has been rolling out in phases to various customer segments since then. Retail, October 22, is just the last of those groups.
Don't get me wrong, I would not be happy if it stayed where it is now, but if you compare 10.6 to 10.5 or 10.4 adoption, it's pretty favorable.
The annoying thing to me is that certain (completely non-generalizable) statistics suggest that most 10.6 upgrades eat away at 10.5, but not 10.4 so much. (http://update.omnigroup.com, click on "Major Version") Tiger is still declining steadily, but as a developer I'd be quite happy if that number dropped to very near zero. With the exception of a diminishing population of PowerPC systems that don't meet the minimum requirements, nearly EVERYONE can run Leopard. I strongly recommend it, since Leopard is faster on the same hardware, and is such a huge step up from Tiger. I think it's time for a crusade...
If everyone who upgrades to Snow Leopard were to give/sell their now-unused copy of Leopard to a Tiger user, the world would be a better place. If you know a Tiger user, convince/help them to upgrade to Leopard. Make them an offer they can't refuse. Don't let your old Leopard disc become another coaster on your desk donate it to a needy Mac user!I've been remiss I have two brothers,0 my parents, and mother-in-law still on Tiger, and it's time for an upgrade to 10.5 minimum...
How about bringing Christmas in October?
I am surprised they don't continue to sell Leopard to PowerPC users. My mate still designs on a Power Mac G4 running Tiger and CS2. He's happy, he's not complaining about Snow Leopard and he doesn't feel the need to suddenly ditch his computer, just because he can't update the OS to the latest version. He loves his Mac and says it actually works just as well as the day he brought it, probably better as it didn't come with Tiger.
There's likely a flood of Leopard retail discs on eBay and the like right now. You can probably get one cheap if you spend even a little bit of effort looking.
I'm still on Leopard myself. I've had access to a 10.6 disc for a few weeks now, so I could try it out risk free (and then buy it if I kept using it to stay legal) but haven't bothered.
10.6 doesn't really bring enough to the table for me to want to upgrade yet. NO software I want to use requires 10.6. 10.5 is so stable on my two Macs that it almost seems like a crime to risk that stability for not much gain.
I'm probably going to end up upgrading eventually, probably around 10.6.3 or .4 when the issues are ironed out and software I want to run starts requiring SL. But until then, what's the rush?
Apple tends to support the previous OS release with security updates, so that's not an issue. Might as well relax and enjoy the rock solid stability (no OS-caused crashes this YEAR so far) until I have an actual need for 10.6.
10.6 doesn't really bring enough to the table for me to want to upgrade yet. NO software I want to use requires 10.6. 10.5 is so stable on my two Macs that it almost seems like a crime to risk that stability for not much gain.
I'm probably going to end up upgrading eventually, probably around 10.6.3 or .4 when the issues are ironed out and software I want to run starts requiring SL. But until then, what's the rush?
Apple tends to support the previous OS release with security updates, so that's not an issue. Might as well relax and enjoy the rock solid stability (no OS-caused crashes this YEAR so far) until I have an actual need for 10.6.
Most of the early releases are to developers, enterprise customers (for testing) and system vendors (for integration on new systems).
Retail sales the week of 22 October will be the first chance for the vast majority of users to have legitimate access to build 7600.
I consider the 22 nd of October to be the big day. You can just hop onto Dell, etc. and buy a new machine with it preinstalled or your discs will be arriving otherwise.
Yep, I'm another PPC user skewing the figures. Still using an eMac for my workhorse/main machine. I'm not mad I can't get SL, I expected G4's to be dropped with 10.6 I'm a little ticked G5's were dropped as well, but what are you going to do...
If I ever buy another Mac, it will be long after SL has come and gone, so no plans to upgrade to it, ever.
If I ever buy another Mac, it will be long after SL has come and gone, so no plans to upgrade to it, ever.
Tiger may very well have been the best version of OS X ever released. (IMO.) Don't diss it.quinntaylor said:
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Ah you are part of the group that apple screwed over. I saw with in a year it will be near impossible to find new software for your computer thanks to apple intentionally forcing it to be obsolete. Sucks that you can not even get 5 years of use out of your computer.
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I've been thinking about that myself. I only upgraded to Leopard because more and more software that I wanted to run (and that my computer is capable of running) was having new versions released for Leopard only which was fair enough, so I upgraded. The lack of choice this time is annoying.
I recently finally upgraded from a very stable Mac 7300/200. That's a 200MHz G3 that came off the production line in 1997 and I upgraded to OS 8.6. The computer was my main business computer. I did all my business on it with no problem. It even served as my fax machine.
I went seamlessly from that to my present Intel MBP. I may not have upgraded when I did but the Apple LaserWriter II that I got with my MacII finally gave out and one of the guns in the old Sony CRT began to cut out. All that, and it is harder then heck finding SCSI peripherals any longer.
I managed to skip past all the towers and iMacs. Not that I wouldn't have liked to have had them, but I couldn't justify buying something that wasn't going to do more then I could get my old computer to do.
Originally Posted by Rodimus Prime View Post
Ah you are part of the group that apple screwed over. I saw with in a year it will be near impossible to find new software for your computer thanks to apple intentionally forcing it to be obsolete. Sucks that you can not even get 5 years of use out of your computer.
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I've been thinking about that myself. I only upgraded to Leopard because more and more software that I wanted to run (and that my computer is capable of running) was having new versions released for Leopard only which was fair enough, so I upgraded. The lack of choice this time is annoying.
I recently finally upgraded from a very stable Mac 7300/200. That's a 200MHz G3 that came off the production line in 1997 and I upgraded to OS 8.6. The computer was my main business computer. I did all my business on it with no problem. It even served as my fax machine.
I went seamlessly from that to my present Intel MBP. I may not have upgraded when I did but the Apple LaserWriter II that I got with my MacII finally gave out and one of the guns in the old Sony CRT began to cut out. All that, and it is harder then heck finding SCSI peripherals any longer.
I managed to skip past all the towers and iMacs. Not that I wouldn't have liked to have had them, but I couldn't justify buying something that wasn't going to do more then I could get my old computer to do.
That's because you don't understand why they do the things the do. It isn't for advancement, or 'progress.' It is to obsolete your past purchases. It would make no sense for them to keep selling Leopard for PPC, because the entire point of dropping PPC on SL is to screw customers.
Snow Leopard
From this...
http://adwido.com/view_content?vkey=8d9c8883d8184d65d394c4cdc46412c6
...to where they are now is amazing.
I would highly recommend Snow Leopard to any Mac user who hasn't tried it yet - definitely worth it.
From this...
http://adwido.com/view_content?vkey=8d9c8883d8184d65d394c4cdc46412c6
...to where they are now is amazing.
I would highly recommend Snow Leopard to any Mac user who hasn't tried it yet - definitely worth it.
I hate to say I told you so, but I predicted low #s for Snow Leopard like this & was laughed at by many people on this site, even called a troll!
Face it, you've got 15-25% of the Mac installed user base that cannot even run Snow Leopard because Apple abandoned PowerPC Macs just 3 years old.
Then you've probably got another 20-25% with the oldest Intel Macs that can't even take advantage of some of Snow Leopard's features (those with crappy Intel graphics).
Do the math and add that up and it equals a yawn from all but those with the latest Intel Apple Macs being profoundly excited by Snow Leopard.
You've also got people like me who have an Intel Mac, but also have tons invested still in quite powerful PowerPC G5s that cost $2000-$3000 that Apple has chosen to abandon. That leaves a bad taste in people's mouths, so I don't intend to purchase Snow Leopard anytime soon. I'm sure I eventually will, but I'm in no hurry and still a little ticked off at how Apple treated its long-time customers. And I'm still a little ticked off that Apple has stopped fixing Leopard at 10.5.8. I'm still reporting crashes weekly to Apple and there's no denying that Tiger is still a less buggy more stable operating system than Leopard is on PowerPC Macs. That alone makes me think twice about Snow Leopard for my Intel Mac. Apple are you listening?
Oh, and the final bad news is, while new Mac sales are holding steady and even doing quite well compared to the rest of the computer industry, well, let's face it, lots of people are holding off expensive computer purchases right now because of the economy.
All in all, I'm not surprised only 18% of the Mac user base has upgraded to Snow Leopard.
Apple has just made too many mistakes in the Leopard to Snow Leopard transition and I think there is a large number of unhappy people like me out there who could buy Snow Leopard but don't intend to right now.
PS: I'm sure I'll get slammed as a troll now by the usual suspects on this board, but at least they'll have to admit I was proven right.
Nope. Been using it here since day 1. MUCH faster; no problems with Photoshop CS4 or AfterEffects CS4. Firefox 3.5 acted no different...
I lost compatibility with a couple third party apps to 'roll up' windows and alter the desktop's font, but eventually they'll fix it. Of course, they didn't get back to my e-mail so I hope they're not out of business...
I feel your pain, I have very similar Powermac G5 systems, also with tons of memory and disk space (over 4TB networked). They are still very powerful systems and certainly more powerful than most of the low-end early Intel Macs that are compatible with Snow Leopard.
I'm not the least bit disappointed that Apple abandoned Powermac G4 systems with Snow Leopard (I have a couple of those 2 btw), but Apple really screwed over some of its most expensive G5 PowerPC power users with Snow Leopard. I'm sure many, like me, already have an Intel Mac, but are ticked off enough to not run out and jump on the Snow Leopard band wagon because they sorta have a bad taste in their mouths.
I personally think as a consolation for this Apple move, they should continue to update and improve and fix features in Leopard beyond 10.5.8, but it doesn't look like that's going to happen.
Btw, the overall snobbyness of many Mac geeks on this site also ticks me off.
Statistics show that most Mac users keep their Macs far longer than Windows PC users and far longer than this 2-3 year # that I'm guessing Windows-switchers are quoting as sufficient time for operating system support.
I assume most of these people trying to stomp out the PowerPC revolt over Snow Leopard are Windows switchers, but who knows.
I do know one thing... I was able to install MacOS X Tiger on a PowerMac 8600 (w/ a G3 upgrade) and it worked quite well. Think about the time limit there! And even Tiger's officially Apple supported list of machines included machines from a longer period of time than Snow Leopard.
Snow Leopard breaks with Apple's operating system support tradition no matter how you slice the numbers and there are lots of people ticked off for that reason, so this snobby "**** and GET OVER IT POWERPC IS DEAD" mentality is not going to change anyone's opinion and it appears the bad Snow Leopard sales numbers have spoken louder than the loud mouths here trying to shout down the PowerPC Mac user base from complaining about it.
Interesting observation. They do say the convert is the worst kind of zealot.
I attribute it to dropping 'Computer' from the company name. They are in the trinket business now. New year, new trinkets. No one expects a trinket company to have a well defined product support life cycle.
This is an interesting statistic, I would have thought it would be a bit more than that. Although that is very impressive for just a month of sales, shows how much price matters!
Yep, I'm another PPC user skewing the figures. Still using an eMac for my workhorse/main machine. I'm not mad I can't get SL, I expected G4's to be dropped with 10.6 I'm a little ticked G5's were dropped as well, but what are you going to do...
If I ever buy another Mac, it will be long after SL has come and gone, so no plans to upgrade to it, ever.
Tiger may very well have been the best version of OS X ever released. (IMO.) Don't diss it.
I totally agree with your comments. In fact I couldn't agree more.
In this troubled economy, also, you're going to see a LOT more of the Mac user base sticking with their quite powerful PowerPC G5 Powermacs and iMac G5s for a longer period of time, especially since the iMacs have such nice displays. Who wants to toss them in the garbage just because of Snow Leopard? I think not for another year or so.
I honestly think the increase in Mac sales is coming much less from PowerPC users ditching their powerful G5 Macs and iMac G5s, but more from Windows users ditching their VISTA clunkers.
My sister's family has ditched 2 VISTA clunkers within the last 6 months, mainly because of viruses caused by their children and the general slowness of the machines. They literally just became exhausted trying to fix the PCs, both of which I've tested out and seem to be technically fine once wiped clean of everything. Of course this is the beauty of the Apple Mac, you really never get any of these problems ever.
That would have made for a great Apple TV commercial btw in the U.S. while the "Cash for Clunkers" car rebate program was going on. What a missed opportunity in hindsight for Apple with VISTA getting such bad PR at the time.
Although too early to chart, there really is no reasonable basis for comparing Vista's exceedingly low level of satisfaction to Snow Leopard's mostly positive reception:
Corporate Satisfaction 2008
You might want to review the story about Steve Jobs being on the Forbes "Richest People" before you make a cocky fanboy statement like that.