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I realize not everyone wants ads even if it means a price reduction. I was just pointing out that if a service is normally $9.99 and the ad-supported versions is $4.99, that $5 is essentially a payment to you via a plan discount.

An ad/pay hybrid model is how most people have gotten content for ages whether it be newspapers, magazines, television, etc. They even run ads in movie theaters.
Your point about movie theatre ads is well taken. I am really irked each time I need to sit through a big-screen, Atmos version of a Toyota ad for a movie I've just paid a lot of cash to see. It hasn't stopped me going to the cinema yet, but it certainly is a thing I find really offensive. Maybe this bugs me more than most. I'm old and curmudgeonly. For the most part though, I pay to avoid ads, not to get them. If I'm parting with my money, I expect to be left alone with my content.
 
The Netflix Basic plan is 480p, the Standard plan is 1080p (HD) and the Premium plan is 4K (Ultra HD).

Another way to look at it is that they are offering 1080p as the "standard" but people can choose 480p at a discount or pay more for 4K. They're just giving customers more resolution options. $15.49/month for the standard Netflix plan is in-line with other services like HBO Max ($14.99/month ad-free). Netflix just happens to offer an optional lower tier 480p plan at a discount that the others don't.

I do think they should make simultaneous screen usage availability and resolution separate individual options i.e., you pick number of screens and then pick desired resolution.
Exactly what the article says -- no other streaming service charges more for higher resolutions.
 
Subscription rates have nothing to do with setting revenue records. Netflix was letting go another 300 staff in todays news.


Ad supported subscriptions actually make a lot more money for Netflix. So thats why they are doing it, to grow revenue. So all the people that go that route Netflix says thank you very much.
I saw that after posting my comment and I stand by it. Do you think Netflix has been caught with high production costs of their movies and series or simply trimming the fat of salaries and benefits?
 
It's 480p according to their site. I just cancelled and it offered me to pay $9.99 instead and get 480p. It does feel like 1999 all over again!

I have until July 5, so plenty of time to stream the rest of Stranger Things.
480p is complete garbage considering today's screens on devices like phones and laptops.
 
The Netflix Basic plan is 480p, the Standard plan is 1080p (HD) and the Premium plan is 4K (Ultra HD).

Another way to look at it is that they are offering 1080p as the "standard" but people can choose 480p at a discount or pay more for 4K. They're just giving customers more resolution options. $15.49/month for the standard Netflix plan is in-line with other services like HBO Max ($14.99/month ad-free). Netflix just happens to offer an optional lower tier 480p plan at a discount that the others don't.

I do think they should make simultaneous screen usage availability and resolution separate individual options i.e., you pick number of screens and then pick desired resolution.
Except at that price point HBO offers 4K. And the others offer 4K as well, generally at significantly less cost.
 
Exactly what the article says -- no other streaming service charges more for higher resolutions.

I understand what the article says but that doesn't mean it's the only way to view the situation. The article could've just as easily said, "Netflix is the only streaming service that offers a lower priced or discounted plan for lower streaming resolution."

Someone complaining about Netflix offering different plans at different prices is kind of like someone complaining that Apple offers different phones at different prices. Netflix's basic plan is like Apple’s iPhone SE. No one is forced to go with Netflix's basic plan if they think 480p is too "old tech" just as no one is forced to go with Apple's iPhone SE if they think it is too "old tech" but there's nothing wrong with these companies giving customers choices.
 
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Except at that price point HBO offers 4K. And the others offer 4K as well, generally at significantly less cost.

Yes, on limited offerings. My point was that people should look at content and plan pricing individually and decide whether or not it's worth it based on that. It doesn't matter if a 1080p plan is higher than 480p plan or a 4K plan is higher than a 1080p plan. It's very nice that they offer options but the ultimate question should be, is the particular resolution, content, etc. worth the price?

Someone complaining about Netflix offering different plans at different prices is kind of like someone complaining that Apple offers different phones at different prices. Netflix's basic plan is like Apple’s iPhone SE. No one is forced to go with Netflix's basic plan if they think 480p is too "old tech" just as no one is forced to go with Apple's iPhone SE if they think it is too "old tech" but there's nothing wrong with these companies giving their customers choices.
 
Yes, on limited offerings. My point was that people should look at content and plan pricing individually and decide whether or not it's worth it based on that. It doesn't matter if a 1080p plan is higher than 480p plan or a 4K plan is higher than a 1080p plan. It's very nice that they offer options but the ultimate question should be, is the particular resolution, content, etc. worth the price?
Don't confuse the issue, it's not about having choice which we agree is a good thing, but about how lackluster those choices are. 480p for $10/month? Trash. Charging double on average versus competitors for 4K? Terrible value. Nobody is complaining about choice. They're pointing out that Netflix's awful product choices and mediocre content are why they no longer subscribe or will be cancelling. Then we also laugh at Netflix execs for burying their heads in the sand for claiming that their issues are really a lack of commercials and people sharing accounts. Give me a break.

Someone complaining about Netflix offering different plans at different prices is kind of like someone complaining that Apple offers different phones at different prices. Netflix's basic plan is like Apple’s iPhone SE. No one is forced to go with Netflix's basic plan if they think 480p is too "old tech" just as no one is forced to go with Apple's iPhone SE if they think it is too "old tech" but there's nothing wrong with these companies giving their customers choices.
Of course nobody is forced to use any particular Netflix plan or even use Netflix at all. Of course the morons running Netflix are why we see headlines like:


 
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Don't confuse the issue, it's not about having choice which we agree is a good thing, but about how lackluster those choices are. 480p for $10/month? Trash. Charging double on average versus competitors for 4K? Terrible value. Nobody is complaining about choice. They're pointing out that Netflix's awful product choices and mediocre content are why they no longer subscribe or will be cancelling. Then we also laugh at Netflix execs for burying their heads in the sand for claiming that their issues are really a lack of commercials and people sharing accounts. Give me a break.

I’m not trying to "confuse" the issue. My point has been that someone shouldn't judge Netflix by the fact they still offer an "old tech" 480p plan any more than someone should judge Apple by the fact they offer an "old tech" iPhone SE.

I just don't see why some seem to be complaining about Netflix offering cheaper plans (whether it be 480p or ad-supported) when these plans are completely optional. If someone has no interest in either, they can simply pretend those plans don't even exist and focus on what they may want (e.g., ad-free, 1080p or 4K) rather than the existence of what they don't want.

How good of a value a particular smartphone or streaming service may be is entirely up to the customer to decide.



Of course nobody is forced to use any particular Netflix plan or even use Netflix at all. Of course the morons running Netflix are why we see headlines like:



As far as Netflix losing subscribers in Q1, part of that was due to the suspension of its business in Russia. They would've otherwise still added subscribers. Not nearly as many as was expected, but still added.

For now, 222 million paid subscribers is still an impressive number when you consider they had less than 100 million just five years ago and only 26 million ten years ago. Where things go from here remains to be seen.
 
I’m not trying to "confuse" the issue. My point has been that someone shouldn't judge Netflix by the fact they still offer an "old tech" 480p plan any more than someone should judge Apple by the fact they offer an "old tech" iPhone SE.

I just don't see why some seem to be complaining about Netflix offering cheaper plans (whether it be 480p or ad-supported) when these plans are completely optional. If someone has no interest in either, they can simply pretend those plans don't even exist and focus on what they may want (e.g., ad-free, 1080p or 4K) rather than the existence of what they don't want.

How good of a value a particular smartphone or streaming service may be is entirely up to the customer to decide.
Right, and I'm just explaining how I see it form my perspective.

As far as Netflix losing subscribers in Q1, part of that was due to the suspension of its business in Russia. They would've otherwise still added subscribers. Not nearly as many as was expected, but still added.

For now, 222 million paid subscribers is still an impressive number when you consider they had less than 100 million just five years ago and only 26 million ten years ago. Where things go from here remains to be seen.
Sure, though things seems to be faltering as of late.
 
I understand what the article says but that doesn't mean it's the only way to view the situation. The article could've just as easily said, "Netflix is the only streaming service that offers a lower priced or discounted plan for lower streaming resolution."

Someone complaining about Netflix offering different plans at different prices is kind of like someone complaining that Apple offers different phones at different prices. Netflix's basic plan is like Apple’s iPhone SE. No one is forced to go with Netflix's basic plan if they think 480p is too "old tech" just as no one is forced to go with Apple's iPhone SE if they think it is too "old tech" but there's nothing wrong with these companies giving customers choices.
You're not required to pay for an iCloud family plan to buy a pro phone. Nor are you required to buy 4 devices.
 
You're not required to pay for an iCloud family plan to buy a pro phone. Nor are you required to buy 4 devices.

This discussion had largely been about resolution but yes, there are multiple variables in the Netflix plans. I had already commented in another post that I thought they should split out options like resolution, simultaneous screens, etc. so that, for example, someone could get 4K on a 1 screen plan or 480p on a 4 screen plan.
 
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This discussion had largely been about resolution but yes, there are multiple variables in the Netflix plans. I had already commented in another post that I thought they should split out options like resolution, simultaneous screens, etc. so that, for example, someone could get 4K on a 1 screen plan or 480p on a 4 screen plan.
This would make sense, decouple screens and resolution. I'd pay for 4K for 1 screen. But given their current price point of $20/month, nay
 
You're not required to pay for an iCloud family plan to buy a pro phone. Nor are you required to buy 4 devices.
Right. Not only that but whenever I hear a company is going to offer cheaper plans, most of the time it means they wont be adding a lower cost plan and keeping all other plans the same. What usually happens is they RAISE the price $10 for all other tiers, and then start charging you the same price you were paying except with less options, and then say, here you go, we gave people options. Ummmm, not really. Example////You used to have one plan for hd streaming for $10. You raised it to $15, and called it the choice plan. Then you started charging $20 for hd and called it choice premier. Then they take the plan everyone had, and only paid $10 for, stripped it of capability, and are calling it choice economy or some such. Gee, thanks for adding choice........aka charging more, for less. Oy
 
It’s ridiculous that there’s even a 480p tier. YouTube has been ad supported for quite some time and offers 4k. Plus, where can you even buy a display that’s only 480p in 2022?
Here in the UK we still have a lot of households with Internet slower than 5 mb/s which I would guess means streaming anything other than 480p would be a complete non-starter. I'm lucky enough to have 75 mb/s which is fine for me living on my own but the emphasis still seems to be on giving towns and cities speeds that, for the most part, are not really required while some rural areas still struggle to get a speed that is useable in today's world.
 
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You can call it whatever you want, that doesn't magically transform it into data.

what do u expect? netflix officially saying that its most revenue its from shared account??? or maybe sony saying that piracy helped first playstation to win over sega saturn???
 
what do u expect? netflix officially saying that its most revenue its from shared account??? or maybe sony saying that piracy helped first playstation to win over sega saturn???
I expect you to either post proof or to stop bandying about your opinion as if it’s data or fact. You’re free to an opinion, but that doesn’t make it either of the former.
 
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I want to watch in 4k. So i need the $20 plan. Which is for 4 screens. So of course I share with 3 other people. As soon as Netflix throws us out for sharing, I certainly won't pay $20 for myself to watch in 4k.
Netflix HAS to offer 4k for other plans with less screens too, otherwise they will lose a lot of subscribers as soon as they go after account sharers.
 
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Man, people sure are getting cheap with internet-based services these days, yet they'll happily pay $5.00 for a fancy coffee.

Cheap? It's not that at all. Most people are subscribing to multiple streaming services per month, and that adds up (more than $5). The competition is high, and Netflix needs to improve their game or they're going to get dropped for other services.

As an aside, I don't spend $5.00 for a fancy coffee. I make my own with my own machine. It's much better than the weak, syrup drowned garbage they sell at Starbucks. However, that's a different discussion. ;)
 
I expect you to either post proof or to stop bandying about your opinion as if it’s data or fact. You’re free to an opinion, but that doesn’t make it either of the former.

We are not in a court, i don't have to proof anything. Do u forgot we are on mac"rumors" where even news are just RUMORS most of the time not confirmed by anyone/anything?
 
We are not in a court, i don't have to proof anything. Do u forgot we are on mac"rumors" where even news are just RUMORS most of the time not confirmed by anyone/anything?
We might not be in court, but what I’m saying is part of the forum rules.

  1. Sources. If you claim that something's a fact, back it up with a source. When evidence of your claim is requested, you can either provide evidence or retract your claim. If you can't produce evidence when someone asks you to cite your sources, we may remove your posts. If you started the thread, then we may remove or close the thread.
 
Pfft. The day I pay anyone to show me ads.
Ever paid a cable bill? TV is exactly that. I would never go back to TV. Our provider actually charges you more for internet if you don’t have TV. They practically have to give it away.

I can barely stand YouTube ads these days. I’m so glad the days of wasting your life watching 21 minutes of ads per hour of TV is over.
 
Netflix needs to stretch out their stuff more. Disney has mostly terrible garbage shows with the name Star Wars and Marvel but at least by releasing weekly they keep the anticipation up a little. With Ozarks and Stranger Things they are moving back in this direction and I think it could help them. Binging is not the only way.
If Disney didn’t have Marvel and Star Wars they would be limited to households with children.
 
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