Lots of down votes. What does it say about our culture when some justify theft under certain conditions. I was around when the Napster controversy hit. Heavy metal band Metallica was attacked for opposing theft of their music by Napster users. The argument is that this is really not stealing because there is no physical product. Shoplifting a DVD from Walmart is theft but torrenting a movie is not theft? Really? What kind of logic is that? Same goes for pirating software. Shoplifting boxed software off the shelf at Best Buy is theft but downloading the same software from a pirate sight it not theft?
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COPYING IS NOT THEFT.
See the video I posted earlier to help you understand why. It's not stealing BECAUSE NOTHING HAS BEEN TAKEN.
The deep desire to justify saving a buck by not paying creators cannot be fought with common sense, unfortunately.
It is though. It doesn’t matter how many angry reacts or capital letters you throw out there.
I looked on Netflix (T-Mobile offering) and really didn’t see much of an offering across the genres I would be interested in. Can’t see how 8 million new subs happened.
My argument is most content is absolute crap - forgettable at best. Nothing worthy of a monthy subscription. Then the odd show turns up that maybe worth seeing, then the pirate bay is here. There are enough idiots out there happy to pay every month for mediocure entertainment, the loss of me getting one month only sub every year to see anything worth watching wont even scratch the surface. I would be happy to pay one month a year but this is impossible due to spoilers posted everywhere within hours of a show being released so I dont bother.
That is a good point. Maybe people are just interested in the newest shows as I didn’t see hardly any back catalogue.
"free through"... a deal with provider made that still costs the provider something. so it's not free. just you don't pay for it directly
Your avoidance of spoilers in not the reason for avoiding paying to watch
So by pirating Netflix shows, Netflix doesn't get paid, if Netflix doesn't get paid then workers down the line don't get paid or perhaps even lost their jobs. You know, all those union folks you love so much? Yup, they lose their jobs if Netflix doesn't do well financially.
So pirating = stealing from poor individuals = ALWAYS bad? Got it, glad you agree!
Corporations are made up of people, from the guy who cleans the toilets to the CEO. Yes, some make far more income than others, but every worker employed either directly or indirectly is paid via the income the corporation makes. Stealing anything from the corporation will probably not "hurt" the top earners but will in fact cost the lowest earners.
If Netflix isn't making shows then no union labor to build sets, no food service folks, no makeup artists, no janitorial staff, etc. Hope you are proud of yourself.
Yup, causing people to lose their jobs is certainly a net positive for society. /s
Every single case of password sharing or pirating is a lost subscription, even if only for 1 month. That is undeniable.
Some people here are already stating unequivocally that they never had any intention of subscribing to Netflix in the first place. What kind of message are these people sending exactly, when there is presumably no behaviour that will ever be "good enough" to get them on board?
I am not saying Netflix is perfect. Personally, I wish they would slow down their rate of making new content, and instead choose to focus more on quality over quantity and try to make evergreen content that has more staying power. But you could make Netflix free with ads, and there will likely still be people who complain that there are ads and therefore pirate the very same show so they can watch it without ads. But they don't want to pay to remove ads either and last I checked, Netflix isn't a charity.
All I am reading is "Hey, the world is full of entitled cheapskates".
Pirating is illegal and should not be justified or considered morally right.
If someone wants to send a message to Netflix, they should choose not to subscribe NOT choose not to subscribe and then illegally pirate content.
and apparently advocating for piracy openly on here is seen as OK... hmmm.
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This is the same level of piracy: access to illegally obtained (not paid) content.
What is the difference between software and media? Both are digital downloads and people are paid to dev them.
Earlier this year I canceled all my subscriptions. In streaming tv i had noticed how I watched less and less, it’s this weird mix of to much and barely anything is really good. Now I opted in to the more expensive option of just buying movies/shows again and it saves me so much money. 💁🏼♂️📈
It’s getting established by not hitting you over the head with it. As soon as it is established be sure there will be more and longer breaks.
Hahahahaha.
Copying a digital file where nothing of value is lost is like stealing a car radio?
Man ....
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It is true. You just copy a digital file and the original file remains intact. No car was damaged, no item was stolen. No insurance papers need to be filled out.
And in various countries, pirating is legal as Netflix gets taxpayers money as a piracy tax. So calling those people "common thieves" is a big joke and you guys don't know what you are talking about.
Robbing thieves, maybe, or the rich who steal from the poor?
If copying a file is of no value then why copy it? why watch/listen to it? why use your hard disk space and download time/quota to obtain that copy?
If you only copy it because you can and never watch it or share it then I'd go along that it has no value to you.
Anything else you have.
As with a lot of things that are subscription-based, I feel that I am not so much paying for the product itself, but rather, I am paying to support the continued support and improvement of said product. The thing about digital content is that it tends to have high fixed costs but near zero marginal costs (in that it costs nothing to distribute). So you are not wrong in that the parent company isn't really disadvantaged by you pirating their content, but at the same time, it's also a very myopic way of looking at things.
For example, I am subscribed to a couple of newsletters (AboveAvalon, Stratechery, Macstories). My money helps to support these writers and make their business venture profitable enough that they continue to this for the long run. Sure, they probably make enough money that they won't really feel it if a few less people choose to subscribe or if I forward their emails to my friends, but there's always the risk that enough people may do do to make it no longer financially viable to continue with their business.
I subscribe to a number of apps because I like what they do and I want to support the developer so he can continue to support them for many years to come.
With a company like Netflix, my money is also helping to fund the creation of future content. At the scale at which the company operates, they probably won't miss a couple of million of dollars, but there's always the risk that if enough people turn to piracy, there may not be enough paying subscribers left, resulting in either less content, or less good content. A lot of things seem innocuous when it's just one person doing it, less so when everyone starts to think and act the same way (eg: think the 2016 US elections where less than half the country voted).
So while there is no real physical harm done to anybody, I won't go so far as to say that it is a victimless crime. There are rammifications.
I didn't tell anybody how to do it. If you want to know how, the internet is there for you to search. No rule broken.
I'm simply advocating it as an excellent alternative to paying Netflix for ads. No rule broken.
And I'm not advocating specific software when I say that there is now free software out there that can automate downloading TV shows and movies within minutes of their release. No rule broken.
And I'm pointing out that copying is not theft. No rule broken.
Wild (_!_) guess), I'm thinking nearly everyone of the posters condoning piracy are all under 40. I remember as a kid, every time I popped in a VHS tape to watch a movie they all had an FBI anti-piracy warning. A few threw in an Interpol warning for good measure.😱
Those scared the bejeebus out of me.
Those scared the bejeebus out of me.