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It's just become the next cable, which is ironic. People will keep paying for it because to not have Netflix is to not "fit in".
 
There is no “value” in pirating. It makes you a common thief, no different than the guy who breaks into your car and steals your radio. I fail to see where theft can be justified under any circumstances.
It can't be justified. People like perennial Apple Whiner Emeretus Louis Rossmann always try and justify their illegal activities. In fact just a few months ago Louis posted some screed with roughly 15 bullet points trying to justify piracy. His "personal motto" is a laugher - If owning isn't owning, then piracy isn't theft.

Are the larger companies going to go after Joe Sixpack for pirating a few episodes of a Disney+ show? Probably not. Does that give people like Louis carte blanche to do what he advocates? Absolutely not.
 
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Not a chance. lol. People are leaving in droves.
I fail to see why people claim subscribers are leaving in droves amid price hikes and being stuck with ad-supported streaming when article after article shows most of the streaming companies are faring better. It's like the price of Ice Cream in the stores. Awhile back Ice Cream was significantly cheaper and came in larger cartons. But the vendors reduced the carton size then hiked the price of Ice Cream. Still people buy Ice Cream, but don't necessarily buy as much or usually time their purchases to reduce expenditures. The same is true about people that subscribe to various paid streaming services. Its a luxury of sorts, its not necessity, it not like people stop using something because some say its expensive.
 
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Isn't that true of almost everything?
Apple was able to thread this needle with the music store. There’s a solution if a company is willing. This, however, is not the case. It can be done by respecting customers and providing convenience. Folks did the right thing ages ago but Netflix is just another network at this point with all the baggage that entails. And they continue to be rewarded for their laziness and lack of initiative. So people only have themselves to blame in the aggregate sense. And those inclined to download unauthorized copies will jump back on that train. It will take some time for the pendulum to swing back but I think this is a self-correcting issue. When we start seeing articles about it that when you know it’s about to happen.
 
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Impressive that over 45 percent of people signing up for a Netflix account are choosing the ad-supported plan in markets where the plan is available.

Per their shareholder letter...

Advertising

Ads fulfill two important strategic priorities for Netflix: first they enable us to offer lower prices to consumers; and second, they create an additional revenue and profit stream for the business. Just over 18 months since launch, we continue to scale our ads tier, which now accounts for over 45% of all signups in our ads markets. Its attractiveness ($6.99 a month in the US, with two streams, high definition and downloads) — coupled with the phasing out of our Basic plan in the UK and Canada, which we will now start in the US and France — has increased our ads member base by 34% sequentially in Q2.

never under estimate the power of a lower price
 
I fail to see where theft can be justified under any circumstances.

wrong. Doing it the legal+paid way is actually more cumbersome and inconvenient. I wanted to watch 2 movies that were not on iTunes store, although I am willing to pay. Same for a game that was available in USA Steam store but not my region. I was forbidden from purchasing it. In addition when you pay for iTune store movies it will only run on Apple hardware/software or bother you with DRM.

They actually make it harder if you want to pay for it.
 
But is it that people see this as the best for their buck, or do they think the other plan is overpriced and don’t want to waste more on it.

I think that regardless of the amount, payed subscriptions shouldn’t be able to have ads on it. Period.

Netflix decides to do it. And I’m pirating everything I want to see. Others will use it so they won’t lose much. Nor will they lose anything at all.
I think one has to be realistic that creating original scripted content is expensive and it's not feasible to expect that the cost can be offset solely by ads (unless you like being interrupted every few minutes or something).

I personally think ads are fine so long as there is still at least one paid option which allows you to remove ads altogether. It doesn't have to be cheap, but it should at least be an option.
 
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Some users here.
 
I gave up a bunch of streaming services at the start of the year and am currently paying for YouTube premium and prime. The value of premium is when I share my subscription with my parents, both of whom are not very tech savvy to begin with (so don’t expect them to run pi-hole ad blockers or torrent content). My mum watches a bunch of Asian drama tv shows that have been uploaded to YouTube on my Apple TV, while my dad has his guilty pleasures that he binges (on my 27” iMac). The difference between ads and no ads is really night and day, and it’s a small price to pay for the convenience, I feel.

And I am more of a YouTube / twitch watcher myself. So I have mostly sworn off scripted content.
how long before YouTube clamp down on account sharing?
 
how long before YouTube clamp down on account sharing?

Why would they?

I paid for the family plan, so I am allowed to share it with up to 5 other people. If anything, I am bummed with not being able to share my premium subscription with my Google work account, and I am not going to buy a second subscription.

I don’t see what I am not doing right here.
 
Why would they?

I paid for the family plan, so I am allowed to share it with up to 5 other people. If anything, I am bummed with not being able to share my premium subscription with my Google work account, and I am not going to buy a second subscription.

I don’t see what I am not doing right here.
I didnt say you were doing anything wrong.
It's just the trend to clamp down on account sharing seems to be gaining momentum to maximise profits.
If you cant keep increasing the user base, you have to look to other ways.

Even the Netflix multiple user accounts are meant to be geographically colocated, arent they?
So a family sub, if you didnt live together, could be seen as not intended.
They keep changing the rules. Who knows where it is headed?
 
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I didnt say you were doing anything wrong.
It's just the trend to clamp down on account sharing seems to be gaining momentum to maximise profits.
If you cant keep increasing the user base, you have to look to other ways.

Even the Netflix multiple user accounts are meant to be geographically colocated, arent they?
So a family sub, if you didnt live together, could be seen as not intended.
They keep changing the rules. Who knows where it is headed?

It could happen.

I was able to give up on Netflix and Disney+ because I simply felt that the quality of their content was going downhill and there just wasn’t much worth watching for the money I was paying. With YouTube, the content had always been there. It’s just a question of ads or no ads.

If push comes to shove, I will probably pay up. I have no idea where my breaking point is, and YouTube premium has proven its value at least (for now).
 
It could happen.

I was able to give up on Netflix and Disney+ because I simply felt that the quality of their content was going downhill and there just wasn’t much worth watching for the money I was paying. With YouTube, the content had always been there. It’s just a question of ads or no ads.

If push comes to shove, I will probably pay up. I have no idea where my breaking point is, and YouTube premium has proven its value at least (for now).
there's always a breaking point.
it differs from person to person.

guessing more people are doing the suspend one streamer while paying for another.

which explains the change of releasing strategies.
drop the whole series vs trickle feed weekly.

at some stage there has to be a shakeup coming.
too many competing services.
 
It could happen.

I was able to give up on Netflix and Disney+ because I simply felt that the quality of their content was going downhill and there just wasn’t much worth watching for the money I was paying. With YouTube, the content had always been there. It’s just a question of ads or no ads.

If push comes to shove, I will probably pay up. I have no idea where my breaking point is, and YouTube premium has proven its value at least (for now).
perhaps the EU will legislate something to help us :)
 
The only reason it is gaining customers is because of live sports such as NFL, Jake Paul vs Tyson and soon WWE.
 
There have been interesting points raised, and I haven’t really thought about how privacy vs theft; does distinguishing privacy from theft matter, are they both “bad” or is it by nature a degree of “badness”?

The start of my not thought-through idea: although you’re not “taking” the item from the owner, the taker is still up one item, and the owner is out one sale. Although not everyone would buy in the alternative, some would. So would the rights to the item not have lost value? A highly pirated album must surely be worth fewer USD than had the same album not been pirated, right?

I am inclined to believe, at the moment, there’s a distinction between piracy and theft. From a morality scale of 1-10 (assign either end as better or worse, doesn’t matter). Whereas morality of piracy may sit between 4 and 7, theft might occupy morality between 1 and 10. We can all imagine a person who steals out of necessity, and we can all imagine a teenager downloading a movie they’ll never be able to afford. There’s not a situation that I can conceive of where there is a piracy of necessity, nor where piracy is the equivalent of stealing the life savings of a person without earning potential.
Given the nature of goods piracy is usually goods that are non essential.

It’s important to note. That piracy takes more effort to obtain and you never know the quality of what you’re going to get.

You do also have to think of context and the persons financial situation. I’m not a teenager anymore. I have a decently paid job. I’ve bought/rented movies on Apple TV for $20/$5 whatever it was simply because it was more convenient.

I think in a way piracy can drive sales. I remember as a teen getting pirated copies from my older step sister of Disturbed’s first 2 albums. I then proceeded to buy their next 3 (I now feel super old hahaha but yes I bought physical CDs). I know that’s not what everyone would do but I will buy something I love. My physical movies are all blu rays I love.
 
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