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I don't understand all the complaints about pricing. It seems very fair to me. If you don't want the top end 4K plan, then the standard price plan is more than reasonable!

The entitlement from people is incredible.

It's not really entitlement, no one is demanding anything or saying they're entitled to just choose what they pay.

But it seems completely fair to me that an account can be shared with a family member who doesn't live with the rest of the family, and for Netflix, which as I've said I already think is pretty poor value anyway, to demand that each individual pays for a separate account, feels self-defeating. If they really enforce it and there's no way around it, the consequence for me personally would just be to not use Netflix any more, as I use my mum's sign-in but barely ever watch anything on there.

(I pay for Disney+ and she has my log in for that. And sure, it's arguably a slight loophole, but I'm honestly not seeing the huge distinction between me living in the same house as her and using that account, and living in a different house and using that account. I think as long as people aren't taking the piss and sharing an account with loads of people they don't even know, then each account paid for at a premium price, i.e. above the basic model, should work similarly to how Apple Music or Spotify family pricing works.)
 
Depending on how things go, they might cancel or lock your account. Guess we'll see how that plays out.

Sure but as Mr Malfoy says, it seems a strange way to behave at a time when there's so much competition for Netflix. Why piss off customers by introducing seemingly arbitrary restrictions on how you are allowed to use the account you pay for? "It's in the TOS" doesn't count as an answer, because *why* is it in there?
 

4.2. The Netflix service and any content viewed through the service are for your personal and non-commercial use only and may not be shared with individuals beyond your household. [...]
I went the the Plans and Pricing page. I read it several times. Not a word about "Households". The focus is on the number of screens you can watch at the same time. Per the rate page, "Netflix offers a variety of plans to meet your needs. The plan you choose will determine the number of devices that you can watch Netflix on at the same time."

I am sure that in section 4.2 buried in the terms of use there is a reference to "households", but seriously, who reads that stuff? Most of these terms of use are written by corporate lawyers and go on and on for pages. What matters to customers is how the rate plans are marketed and advertised to users. My gosh, you are signing up for an internet streaming site that can be easily canceled at any time. Most reasonable people would not read the fine print of the term of use for something this trivial. Leasing an apartment or buying a home.... sure. But, I don't read the fine print of the warranty on a $25 toaster when I buy one of those either.
 
I'm in the UK and paid for a year of Disney+ just before the price increase, £60 for 12 months. So for just over the price of one premium Netflix subscription, I can access:

Disney (£5 a month)
Apple TV+ (free indefinitely, who knows)
BritBox (£5 a month)
Amazon Prime (£6 a month paid annually)

All of which I use more frequently than Netflix at the moment. It doesn't seem to me to make a lot of sense for them to choose this moment to go "we're the most expensive service AND we're going to start imposing restrictions on your account."
 
Coming in late in this thread, but this situation is logical to me. It’s either this, or raise prices again. It’s funny how many here are against this policy enforcement and also complained about the last price hike in other conversations.

I wonder if these same people would be okay getting paid a small token for their work, but have multiple entities benefit from it without paying them?
 
Sharing with a child going to college count? Technically still a part of the household for a portion of the year.

Yes, but the damn child then had to go and share the password with all of his friends and they share it their friends and then one of those *******s tried change the password so the legit account owner gets to pay but not to watch...

Had this happen to me last year and I don’t even have a child and the guy who tried to change it was from one of the former Soviet republics.
 
Thoughtless analogy. If they can’t provide the number of streams being paid for, they’re in breach of contact

Accounts are by household, they're not limiting your streams, they're limiting access to multiple households.


It's not really stealing. I pay for 4 streams, and my brother is one of the people I feel like I'm paying for. His family is the main one watching. The instant they cut him off, I'll cut my subscription and start bouncing from one service to another. Couple of months of Disney, then HBO Max, and Netflix only occasionally and definitely not at the current tier.

Is your brother in your household? If not, then he's stealing and you're in breach of contract. Netflix grants your household a license to access their services from anywhere on any device and if they think you're not a part of the household, they're obligated to verify this by asking you to verify a pin/code/email. If you verity, then you're all good but if you don't, they cut you off. I can give my credit card to a friend and if a merchant asks to see their ID to verify they're me and they're not, the merchant is obligated to not accept that card as payment. Just because I sub-lease my card to a friend does not entitle them to use it because AMEX granted me as the sole user. Netflix is doing the same thing.

I like how you knew in advance that what you were gonna type was gonna be absurd. Good job likening parents sharing their accounts with their kids in college to criminal acts of thievery.

I didn't say your children in your household were criminals but you are in breach of contract because they're not in your household. If they're still dependents on your taxes and getting mail at your address, then they're in your household, if they're off living in Seattle with a dorm / flat of their own, they're not and you're in breach of contract and Netflix has contractual right to cut them off from your access. They could take it a step further and close your account.


That would be me and pretty much every other student at the time lol. We needed Photoshop in uni but couldn’t afford the true cost, so everybody installed hacked copies lol. I used to also use a CAD software that was £10k a year to run. Our lecturers couldn’t understand how everybody was getting the work done but the computers in uni were barely used lol.

Me too, I pirated software as a kid like 12-14 years old when I was still a minor. We are lucky now that we have non Adobe software that can help us hobbyists still edit photos without paying huge fees. Pixelmator was like $40


Yes, Adobe increased the price of Photoshop because of pirates... it had absolutely nothing to do with increasing profit margin. /s

https://www.computerworld.com/article/2793095/adobe-says-it-s-committed-to-china-despite-piracy.html

I remember back in the day Bill Gates saying something like 9 out of 10 Windows XP installs in China were pirated. It was a massive issue back then.

Unfortunately. Netflix just want the money to increase the stock price. I highly doubt they won’t raise the prices again.

I don't think I said they'd never increase the price, I'm just saying that Netflix has production, operating, licensing and streaming costs. Streaming costs are next to nothing for them but it does cost them money to deliver content to your house. If one person has 12 friends with their passwords and 4 people are always streaming, it's going to cost them more money than me who has one account and uses Netflix maybe 1 hour a week. I'm subsidizing the people who are in breach of contract.

I'm actually kind of amazed on the like versus dislike levels my post had:

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I encourage everyone to pirate content anyway. Netflix pulls shows all of the time without warning. If you like something, even if you're paying for Netflix, you should keep any offline copy.
 
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Good. Bring on the downvotes but like people who stole Adobe Photoshop back in the day leading to photoshop costing $700 for a license or whatever it was before Creative Suite subscriptions came along, we paid for people who were freeloading. If Netflix can get every household to pay their fare share, maybe these price hikes will stop being a yearly festivity.

...and if you don't like it, literally every show on Netflix is available on BitTorrent.
the only ones complaining about this are the freeloaders, so i agree!!
 
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The service used are already paid for. This is not users for some reason streaming netflix illegally (that's impossible). Netflix are the ones offering the tiers with multiple streams being allowed. So that's what people are using.

For example, the highest tier, allows 4 screens at the same time. So 4 separate devices can use the same account. Who cares about the actual persons watching it? The service is already paid for.
I would agree if they set it up like apple and have family plan with different sign in's. but you don't find it odd the people sharing a username and password with some random stranger they met online to save money with? that's the other extreme that people are doing.
 
Netflix needs to shut up and lower their prices, cheapest 4K plan is $20 is Aus.
It's insane. I signed up years ago when it was $11.99USD. Now I just got an email that it's $17.99USD/mo.

What's changed? Are we getting super special extra amazing content with "Netflix Stimulus Checks" included in the membership?

The pricing is ludicrous esp during a pandemic.
 
the only ones complaining about this are the freeloaders, so i agree!!

I guess that's probably the reality, I don't care that people cut into the profits of these massive media companies where, at every chance they have, are willing to screw over consumers. Not a single media company has ever done anything for goodwill that didn't pad their bottom line. However, Netflix is within their legal right to enforce the contract everyone signed and cut off people not in your household. It's written in plain text. Is it right? I don't think so but Netflix is just enforcing the rules after a decade of not.
 
It's insane. I signed up years ago when it was $11.99USD. Now I just got an email that it's $17.99USD/mo.

What's changed? Are we getting super special extra amazing content with "Netflix Stimulus Checks" included in the membership?

The pricing is ludicrous esp during a pandemic.
i wouldn't say it's ludicrous as you can choose to cancel it and go another route. but the reason why is bc people are sharing passwords. if everyone is sharing, not that many subscriptions would be purchased, which causes the overall price to go up.
 
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I guess that's probably the reality, I don't care that people cut into the profits of these massive media companies where, at every chance they have, are willing to screw over consumers. Not a single media company has ever done anything for goodwill that didn't pad their bottom line. However, Netflix is within their legal right to enforce the contract everyone signed and cut off people not in your household. It's written in plain text. Is it right? I don't think so but Netflix is just enforcing the rules after a decade of not.
i agree! the media companies push out things to see what they can get away with. people cried and cried about "cable bills", so now they go and create their own streaming platforms, almost every single one of them. Do you think the crying is gonna give the consumer some great discount and huge benefit? No, they will just make everything ala carte and charge $10 and now you have to purchase X amount of streaming services to watch what you were able to watch on cable and now you pay more. Consumers can be real idiots sometimes and it ends up affecting everyone and the ones crying the most are the freeloaders. Everyone wants everything for free. I really hate when I hear about people sharing passwords bc now it makes my subscription more expensive for something I didn't do. I wish most of them would just create family plans like how apple does it and let anyone be a member of the family and focus their prices like that. if you have 4 neighbors sharing 1 netflix account, that's 3 accounts that won't sign up for netflix. I don't get why people don't understand this.
 
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I went the the Plans and Pricing page. I read it several times. Not a word about "Households". The focus is on the number of screens you can watch at the same time. Per the rate page, "Netflix offers a variety of plans to meet your needs. The plan you choose will determine the number of devices that you can watch Netflix on at the same time."
In the "Terms and Conditions" it says that you can share with members of your household. Not on the "plans and pricing" page. You can share the cheapest plan with members of your household - but only one can watch at a time. And even the most expensive plan, you can't share outside your households. So you and your spouse and two kids can watch Netflix on the way to work or to school, but not the third kid at the same time.

Just because you didn't find this where you looked for it doesn't mean it's not there, and you did agree to it.
 
I would agree if they set it up like apple and have family plan with different sign in's. but you don't find it odd the people sharing a username and password with some random stranger they met online to save money with? that's the other extreme that people are doing.
Most people that I know who are Netflix account sharing are sharing it with known family members and close friends. If people are willing to share their account password in the open along with their private info, that's their risk to take. But in the end, Netflix advertised 4 screens at the same time. As long as the devices are authenticated, and the usage are within the limits of the paid service, I don't see what's the big deal.
 
i have frequent business trip in Europe and USA for 4-5 months per year, but my wife is living in Shanghai, so it means that we have to get own individual accounts? what the f.....................antastic idea :eek:
Where do you _live_? Are you living in Shanghai with your wife when you are not on business trips? In that case you are own household, and you can pay for two simultaneous devices if you have no kids and watch Netflix at the same time. With the time difference you might get away with paying for one device because you might never watch at the same time.
 
This has probably already been posted by someone else but it bears repeating. If Netflix is going to crack down on "password sharing" then they need revamp their pricing structure. I don't "password share," I COST SHARE because if you want 4K on even one device, Netflix forces you to buy a plan for $20+, for FOUR SIMULTANEOUSLY ACTIVE SCREENS. So i'm just utilizing those four screens and divvying up the cost between four people who all pay their share (my SO, a friend, his wife.)
In other words, you are sharing your password. You are just lucky that you have friends who are willing to pay their share. You'd have to change to two accounts with two active screens each.
 
No impact to us as it's just my wife and I who use my account. But looks like Netflix wants to boost their subscriber figures if they're starting to crack down on password sharing.
 
So funny to see so many struggle with the definition of a household. If you have 2 children, and you host a foreign exchange student in your home - and they all live under the one roof, they are your household.
The foreign exchange student - it depends. If he or she pays you rent for a room in your home then they are not members of your household. If you let them live there for free out of the goodness of your heart, and they have free access to the contents of your fridge, then it's one household.
 
"A household is defined by the U.S. Census Bureau as all the people who occupy a single housing unit, regardless of their relationship to one another."


Seems like a lot of people think that family = household.
In the UK, there are different definitions. The one for the census is anybody living in the household. Actually, they count anybody who was staying overnight in your household on the day you filled out the census form, so if some kids had a sleepover, while you and your spouse were away, those kids are the household for census purposes. For any other purposes, that means nothing.
 
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I don't understand all the complaints about pricing. It seems very fair to me. If you don't want the top end 4K plan, then the standard price plan is more than reasonable!

The entitlement from people is incredible.
It's not entitlement if one already paid for the advertised features and use it. Netflix is the one offering the 4 simultaneous screens.

As long as the devices used are all properly authenticated, why is it a problem?
 
Most people that I know who are Netflix account sharing are sharing it with known family members and close friends. If people are willing to share their account password in the open along with their private info, that's their risk to take. But in the end, Netflix advertised 4 screens at the same time. As long as the devices are authenticated, and the usage are within the limits of the paid service, I don't see what's the big deal.
my point on that is, if that was how it was designed they'd set it up like that. you're part of the problem if you are doing it that way and that's why they are cracking down and prices increase. it takes away from how many subscriptions would be bought if people didn't share passwords. 4 families sharing 1 account, means they are losing out on 3 subscriptions. Aka raise price to make up for it.
 
Oh goody. A few years back, I had a subscription with Hulu. I was the only user and I only used it at home. However, I was repeatedly denied service because it could not locate my devise. After several months with tech support, I finally had to quit and go with someone else. I hope Netflix doesn't end up protecting itself from their paying customers.
 
It's not entitlement if one already paid for the advertised features and use it. Netflix is the one offering the 4 simultaneous screens.

As long as the devices used are all properly authenticated, why is it a problem?
4 screens in one house where the billpayer lives. A separate household requires a different subscription, i.e. they don't want you sharing your subscription with another person/household which seems fair enough.
 
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