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Netflix Not Developing App for Vision Pro Because Headset is 'Subscale' and 'Not Relevant' to Subscribers

Surf Monkey said:
Alone. And that’s a massive hindrance to adoption. People with friends and family like to watch TOGETHER.
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And yet there are people with friends and family who like to watch by themselves and talk about it with friends or family afterwards.

You’re missing the point. If I have a Vision Pro and love watching Netflix, Disney, Hulu or whatever it is. There is a high chance I would like to watch it on the headset as well. Doesn’t matter if it’s alone or not. If it’s there people will use it period.
 
I'm sure Netflix has plenty of usage data for the Oculus Quest 2 and there's a reason why they are aren't rushing to get their app on the AVP day one.
 
ender78 said:
Doing nothing is simply easier. Based on some discussion I've heard on some podcasts, devs have insinuated that the UI is much different than they expected and that they have to re-think how users will interact with their app. Getting the app working on AVP and providing and experience that is great are two different things. The second the app launches, their call centres get dozens of calls. You have to train everyone on how the app works etc. Product development is hard. Saying "most of the work is on the UI side" is the understatement of the century. Companies have to make decisions on how to prioritize their resources.
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Why aren't you working for Netflix, then, if you know how to do it?
 
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ender78 said:
Name one way Disney is "owned" by Apple today. What percentage of Disney's shares does Apple own?
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If you do not consider Loraine Jobs' stake in Disney that she inherited from Steve to have significant power then you are naive I would say. She was the largest shareholder until 2017, but then cut her stake in half, but she still has a large stake.
 
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muire said:
Remember when Ballmer shot down the iPhone? Same thing.
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Yeah that was pretty memorable as well as dumb. He was also the CEO of a company making a competing product so it’s not too surprising he’d want to downplay the iPhone, even if he was off base. That being said, he knocked it for costing $600 or $880 in today’s dollars. AVP costs 4 times that.
 
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ke-iron said:
How do you know that the market for watching Netflix on Vision Pro is small? Did you survey all the people who watches Netflix and preordered one? You didn’t. However it is more than likely people will use this for media consumption for the streaming services they pay for.
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Disney is providing an app to grow their marketplace and to market their 150 movie 3D collection that is not possible on Netflix in a similar fashion. So they have an incentive. Netflix is still watchable with a browser and so the only thing that is being discussed is why not an app yet? There is also fact that Disney doesn't market Asian market content very much via Disney +. They do present content with many audio languages however. Comparably Netflix has a large chunk of content in the hundreds that is catering to Asia market place in multiple languages and remember that the Vision Pro is USA only. So this not providing a app is very different for Disney vs Netflix.
 
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vipergts2207 said:
A couple things. First, most people don’t need an enormous TV to adequately fill their space. A 65” TV is enough (or even too big) for most. Even if you need something extraordinary, you can get a nice 77” Sony 4K OLED for almost $1k less than an AVP.

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Second, you propose this as an either or situation. The vast majority of people would still need a TV, at least as much one can ‘need’ a TV. Most people aren’t bachelors with no friends or family.
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Sure, you can buy less functional products for a lower price. Not sure what point you think that makes when my original comment was about AVP providing more function for price. AVP can EASILY go above any screen size on the market for 4K OLED. And then you also get the spatial audio functionality and the M2 spatial computer functionality beyond that.

And, yes, a traditional flat panel has more flexibility when it comes to the number of viewers. But it's not mobile. It has a relatively tiny screen experience. It doesn't provide spatial audio. It can't upscale to 8K. And on and on. Number of viewers isn't really relevant to pricing anyway. Sony is going to charge you the same price for that 77" 4K OLED regardless of whether it's being watched at parties or by your cat.
 
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gnipgnop said:
Sure, you can buy less functional products for a lower price. Not sure what point you think that makes when my original comment was about AVP providing more function for price. AVP can EASILY go above any screen size on the market for 4K OLED. And then you also get the spatial audio functionality and the M2 spatial computer functionality beyond that.

And, yes, a traditional flat panel has more flexibility when it comes to the number of viewers. But it's not mobile. It has a relatively tiny screen experience. It doesn't provide spatial audio. It can't upscale to 8K. And on and on.
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I don't really think the AVP is that mobile. It's pretty risky dragging that around in public. One of the 800lb gorilla's is that a large 4k TV paired with a gaming console offers a better entertainment package for a family or an individual then a AVP.

I realize that is diverting from what a AVP is capable of. But its pointing out that $1500 for TV, $500 for console, and you still have $1500 for a much more mobile Mac laptop or iPad Pro for your competing needs as a alternative that consumers might go to instead.

Spatial computing from Apple is too new for consumers to see any real benefit is another problem for suggesting the AVP is a replacement for most people.

Spatial audio sounds better the plain stereo, but there many solution to use Dolby Atmos with home theater setups even fairly cheap instead of a headset, headphone, or AirPods Pro as examples. I guess we are now kinda diverging from the simple fact that the future is a bit unknown for a lot of developers not quite ready to leap into the AVP supporters crowd. ;)
 
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They're not wrong. The cost to develop an app, divided into just the subset of the 180,000 people who will be using it (and presumably not paying anything "More" than they would to simply use it via browser) probably doesn't make sense. If it takes off, I'm sure they'll jump aboard.
 
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vipergts2207 said:
He was also the CEO of a company making a competing product so it’s not too surprising he’d want to downplay the iPhone, even if he was off base.
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Right. The CEO of a competing company isn't likely going to praise the new competition or publicly admit they may be worried, even if they are.



vipergts2207 said:
That being said, he knocked it for costing $600 or $880 in today’s dollars. AVP costs 4 times that.
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Ballmer turned out to be correct to knock the iPhone's high $500 starting launch price. Within less than three months, prices were reduced $200 and then reduced again even more the next year with the new 3G model.

While it may not happen in less than three months like it did with the iPhone, I would fully expect to see a VP price reduction this year.
 
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webkit said:
If history does repeat itself, at least regarding price, we should expect a rather significant price reduction on the VP in just a few months. I don't think it will happen quite that quickly, though.
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If you know Apple well they fully intend to reduce the price and size of the Apple vision Pro but they have to start with a baseline which is the current AVP then optimize it based on how it is used and feedback. Apple is a master at doing this but they cannot do it without the data and feedback they collect. Hence the "Pro" in the AVP name. Apple is not doing anything that they have not done 100s of times before, I am amazed that people can't see that! It is the Apple way! Mercedes and BMW do the same thing, they introduce features in their higher level series of cars and they they use the data they collect to reduce the cost and put those features in the lower level series of cars!
 
quietstormSD said:
You are taking the side of a multi billion dollar company that rips off subscribers against another multi-billion dollar company? Please save your sympathy for something more worthy.
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No idea what you are talking about tbh. This Apple VR thing is 100% a waste of time though.
 
webkit said:
Ballmer turned out to be correct to knock the iPhone's high $500 starting launch price. Within less than three months, prices were reduced $200 and then reduced again even more the next year with the new 3G model.

While it may not happen in less than three months like it did with the iPhone, I would fully expect to see a VP price reduction this year.
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Ballmer was not correct, let's not rewrite history here! I just paid $1200 for my iPhone 15 Pro Max, that is a significant increase from the original iPhone not a decrease! Microsoft does not even have a smart phone anymore so clearly they did not know what they were talking about whatsoever!
 
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Reminds me when Steve Ballmer panned the iPhone.

And Netflix has friggin apps on practically everywhere. They probably have them on refridgerators and microwaves. WTF? lol
 
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Ballmer was not correct, let's not rewrite history here! I just paid $1200 for my iPhone 15 Pro Max, that is a significant increase from the original iPhone not a decrease! Microsoft does not even have a smart phone anymore so clearly they did not know what they were talking about whatsoever!
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iPhone price history: How Apple's pricing changes (inflation included)

The iPhone is expensive, but has it always been? Here's the price history of the iPhone over the years and how it tracks inflation.
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The 2007 $499 IPhone was reduced to $199 for the 2008 IPhone.
The article shows 2023 inflation adjustments compared to 2023 USD.
I think its well known you cannot compare the original to the recent iPhones as far as comparable value products. Perhaps the iPhone SE would be more suitable.

The AVP dropping price in a year, we have to wait and see how the marketplace works with AVP demand.
 
Grimps said:
Has anyone used the Netflix app for Quest? Last I used it, it was trash. I was hoping to look at a drive-in-sized screen. Instead they show you a large tv-sized screen and just bring it 3 feet from your face.
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I tried it right when I got the Quest 3 back in October. Not only is the app trash, the resolution of shows/films seems to be low…like 480p…and there’s no downloading for offline viewing. It’s bad.

All of the streaming apps on Quest are bad…Prime has downloading for offline…but I can’t remember if the picture is good or not.
 
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I believe it is a joke. Netflix keeps increasing its price, making it difficult to use the app outside your home while charging a premium. There is no reason they couldn't check a box for the iPad and consider a native app at a later time. It's incredibly stubborn and selfish not to provide premium services when charging a premium price.
 
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