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Good decision, the Vision Pro will be the new Newton. Maybe in ten years tech will reach the point where the device will look like conventual glasses .
 
Sure, you can buy less functional products for a lower price. Not sure what point you think that makes when my original comment was about AVP providing more function for price. AVP can EASILY go above any screen size on the market for 4K OLED. And then you also get the spatial audio functionality and the M2 spatial computer functionality beyond that.

And, yes, a traditional flat panel has more flexibility when it comes to the number of viewers. But it's not mobile. It has a relatively tiny screen experience. It doesn't provide spatial audio. It can't upscale to 8K. And on and on. Number of viewers isn't really relevant to pricing anyway. Sony is going to charge you the same price for that 77" 4K OLED regardless of whether it's being watched at parties or by your cat.
Not exactly. Less functional in some ways and more so in others. It’s not like the AVP can do everything a TV can and then some. Playing games with friends and family for instance.

The AVP isn’t really a mobile device either, at least not truly, in the way a smartphone is a mobile device. It’s really not even as mobile as a laptop. A laptop you could use in a cafe or on a bus/train/plane. AVP not so much. The ability to have the screen appear large isn’t really the great selling point for dropping $3500 on it that you seem to think it is.

The device is prohibitively expensive to most people and it’s use cases are fairly different from what someone would use a TV for. The reality is that the AVP isn’t going to replace a device for anyone. It won’t replace their smartphone, it won’t replace their TV, it won’t replace their laptop. Best case scenario for device replacement would be replacing an iPad, but even that’s a stretch. With that in mind, someone has to be able to justify the $3500 price for essentially a very niche toy and I just don’t see many people being able to do that and that’s if they can even afford it in the first place.
 
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And yet there are people with friends and family who like to watch by themselves and talk about it with friends or family afterwards.

You’re missing the point. If I have a Vision Pro and love watching Netflix, Disney, Hulu or whatever it is. There is a high chance I would like to watch it on the headset as well. Doesn’t matter if it’s alone or not. If it’s there people will use it period.

I’m not missing the point. The use case you describe is not the mainstream and this device won’t make it mainstream. Movies and television are generally consumed as shared experiences.
 
This is most likely due to the macroeconomic situation. Tech companies are trying to lean down while interest rates are high.
 
Good decision, the Vision Pro will be the new Newton. Maybe in ten years tech will reach the point where the device will look like conventual glasses .
Please explain why Paramount and others decided not only to enable their program on AVP, but also to configure it specifically for AVP.

See, you haters are so anxious to hurt and penalize those of us who are interested in (and purchased the AVP) that your stumbling all over yourselves to find ways to bash us and Apple. You accomplish nothing other than to encourage us to scorn you. This is why the ignore list should be unlimited in the number of recipients. 1000 is simply not enough.
 
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Not exactly. Less functional in some ways and more so in others. It’s not like the AVP can do everything a TV can and then some. Playing games with friends and family for instance.

The AVP isn’t really a mobile device either, at least not truly, in the way a smartphone is a mobile device. It’s really not even as mobile as a laptop. A laptop you could use in a cafe or on a bus/train/plane. AVP not so much. The ability to have the screen appear large isn’t really the great selling point for dropping $3500 on it that you seem to think it is.

The device is prohibitively expensive to most people and it’s use cases are fairly different from what someone would use a TV for. The reality is that the AVP isn’t going to replace a device for anyone. It won’t replace their smartphone, it won’t replace their TV, it won’t replace their laptop. Best case scenario for device replacement would be replacing an iPad, but even that’s a stretch. With that in mind, someone has to be able to justify the $3500 price for essentially a very niche toy and I just don’t see many people being able to do that and that’s if they can even afford it in the first place.

Right. The best tech is like a bicycle. It enhances your abilities in the most efficient and elegant way possible. Good tech is obvious. Like iPod. Vision isn’t obvious. It remains to date a device lacking a purpose.
 
Right. The CEO of a competing company isn't likely going to praise the new competition or publicly admit they may be worried, even if they are.





Ballmer turned out to be correct to knock the iPhone's high $500 starting launch price. Within less than three months, prices were reduced $200 and then reduced again even more the next year with the new 3G model.

While it may not happen in less than three months like it did with the iPhone, I would fully expect to see a VP price reduction this year.

Apple overpriced the HomePod too and ended up dropping the price on it as well. I don’t see widespread adoption of an Apple VR headset being viable until it’s at least hitting the $1999 or lower price point. When the iPhone launched and revolutionized that space it was what, about double what competitors were priced at? Google says a Nokia E62 was $350 unsubsidized at the time. The AVP is sitting at a whopping 7 or so times higher than its competitors.

Apple’s strategy here seems to have been shock and awe, not all that different from the iPhone’s debut versus its pre-existing competitors. It can be a smart and powerful strategy, but I think Apple way overshot on this though. The device is likely to be the most impressive VR headset on the market in terms of capabilities, but that doesn’t mean much if relatively few can afford or justify it, nor are its beneficial and unique use cases as obvious as they were with smartphones. Hopefully the development and release of a more attainable version isn’t too far behind, lest the market move on to or stick with other players.
 
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Please explain why Paramount and others decided not only to enable their program on AVP, but also to configure it specifically for AVP.
Because they probably have strategic partnerships with Apple. Agreements that were forged long before the Vision was announced. Netflix and Apple rather famously have no such relationship. Netflix’s relationship with Apple is openly hostile.
 
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Ballmer was not correct, let's not rewrite history here! I just paid $1200 for my iPhone 15 Pro Max, that is a significant increase from the original iPhone not a decrease! Microsoft does not even have a smart phone anymore so clearly they did not know what they were talking about whatsoever!
The price of the original iPhone was dropped.

 
Because they probably have strategic partnerships with Apple. Agreements that were forged long before the Vision was announced. Netflix and Apple rather famously have no such relationship. Netflix’s relationship with Apple is openly hostile.
So in the very least, that throws the theory of a mass developer boycott out the window. It has always been a small but extremely vocal of developers who are unhappy with Apple, but they don't get to speak for the larger community.
 
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Disney is providing an app to grow their marketplace and to market their 150 movie 3D collection that is not possible on Netflix in a similar fashion. So they have an incentive. Netflix is still watchable with a browser and so the only thing that is being discussed is why not an app yet? There is also fact that Disney doesn't market Asian market content very much via Disney +. They do present content with many audio languages however. Comparably Netflix has a large chunk of content in the hundreds that is catering to Asia market place in multiple languages and remember that the Vision Pro is USA only. So this not providing an app is very different for Disney vs Netflix.
Vision Pro is only in US markets right now because Apple cannot make enough for the entire world. You mentioned Netflix via browser but will it deliver 4k? I don’t think so.

Either way I plan on using the Vision Pro exclusively to watch content, and since Netflix is lagging behind in keeping up to date they have been cancelled.
 
I’m not missing the point. The use case you describe is not the mainstream and this device won’t make it mainstream. Movies and television are generally consumed as shared experiences.
Think of how many families are huddled over their phones in the living room and scrolling on their social media feed, even as content is played over the TV in the background? What's the difference between doing that on an iPhone or iPad, vs a vision pro?
 
Think of how many families are huddled over their phones in the living room and scrolling on their social media feed, even as content is played over the TV in the background? What's the difference between doing that on an iPhone or iPad, vs a vision pro?

Misdirect. Second screens don’t isolate people in the way a mask over your face does.
 
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I think it's time to drop Netflix. Their prices for 4K are out of control. Just subscribed to Paramount Plus. Lot's of 4K content and a native AVP app. Netflix can go ****w themselves.
Paramount plus is barely functional. It is one of the ********* apps I’ve ever seen. Content is fine though.
 
Vision Pro is only in US markets right now because Apple cannot make enough for the entire world. You mentioned Netflix via browser but will it deliver 4k? I don’t think so.

Either way I plan on using the Vision Pro exclusively to watch content, and since Netflix is lagging behind in keeping up to date they have been cancelled.

Since Big Sur
 
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Of course the fanboys won't like it but the streets are saying Netflix won the streaming wars. Apple should do what Disney did licence some of their content to Netflix, get it infront of some eyeballs.






 
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Of course the fanboys won't like it but the streets are saying Netflix won the streaming wars. Apple should do what Disney did licence some of their content to Netflix, get it infront of some eyeballs.







Nah Apple does not need to! Especially since Netflix is hating! Apple does what it wants to!
 
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I’m not missing the point. The use case you describe is not the mainstream and this device won’t make it mainstream. Movies and television are generally consumed as shared experiences.
With lots and lots of people watching on their own. My spouse and I have very different tastes in programming and don’t alway watch shows together. We’re more likely to cook together.

Of course, the AVP is not mainstream right now. This is an early version that will appeal to tech pioneers. This is when developers and users try new things and learn what works and what doesn’t. From that the eventual mainstream product evolves. Especially as Apple works out a less expensive version.
 
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They're not wrong. The cost to develop an app, divided into just the subset of the 180,000 people who will be using it (and presumably not paying anything "More" than they would to simply use it via browser) probably doesn't make sense. If it takes off, I'm sure they'll jump aboard.
iPad apps run by default in AVP. You have to block them in the App Store to prevent it. Sure, if they wanted to design a new app that takes advantage of spacial computing it would require resources, but letting users start with the iPad does not.
 
Because they probably have strategic partnerships with Apple. Agreements that were forged long before the Vision was announced. Netflix and Apple rather famously have no such relationship. Netflix’s relationship with Apple is openly hostile.
And now we come to the real reason for this. It’s not about the app. It’s about the relationship.
 
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Misdirect. Second screens don’t isolate people in the way a mask over your face does.
Which seems to be what the eyesight feature is designed to address. So Apple does envision users wearing the Vision Pro in front of people, or when interacting with them. As with AirPods, it could well be one of those things that seems weird and off-putting at first, but then quickly becomes socially acceptable.

Does that mean it's necessarily a good thing though? Only time will tell.
 
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