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Reminds me of Foxtel, Australia's only major "cable" service, where you pay over $100 a month for TV channels that still play ads. Foxtel is a joke in Australia and only rich families who are used to the service keep it connected. I guess that's Netflix's future, just riding the wave of their so near but too far monopoly.

Reminds me of parties where people play music through the Spotify ad tier and obnoxious region targeted ads play every few minutes.
 
Their stocks have dropped 70% in the last couple of months. They're losing subscribers hand over foot. So no, I'm not.
Stock price is not a true indicator of the success of a company, purely its perceived financial worth. They've lost a small percentage of their user base, and the stock market somehow thinks they can keep increasing their user base indefinitely like that's even possible! I wouldn't write Netflix off yet.
 
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Every now and then I think back to when Netflix was $8.99 per month... it wasn't that long ago. I think I am paying around $23 per month now. Based on the number of subscribers that they have (222M), with a conservative average cost of $15 per month per subscriber, they must be pulling in 40+ billion annually. I know that creating all that original content is expensive, but holy *****.
 
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An ad-supported completely free tier? Count a lot of people in.
An ad-supported tier that also require money? Will make me laugh my axx off.
You do realize that millions of people are subscribed to Hulu's $6.99/mo plan that's ad supported, right?

The same goes for Paramount+ with ads for $4.99/mo, HBO Max with ads for $9.99/mo, and Discovery+ with ads for $4.99/mo

You should familiarize yourself with what the market for discounted ad-supported streaming services is like before speaking.

Ad-supported streaming services are seeing faster growth than subscription (ad-free) services.

 
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This would be a lot easier if Netflix announces the details all at once, including the price and date. They are peeling the bandaid a little bit too slowly.
They can't reveal anything because they don't know everything yet. They need to first renegotiate contracts with the studios they license content from first.


Netflix Inc. is seeking to amend its programming deals with major entertainment studios to allow the streaming giant to put content on an advertising-supported version of the service, people familiar with the matter said.

Among the studios Netflix has begun talks with are Warner Bros., which makes the hit stalker drama “You”; Universal, producer of the dark comedy “Russian Doll”; and Sony Pictures Television, producer of “The Crown” and “Cobra Kai,” the people said.

In addition to shows created specifically for Netflix, the company also will need to renegotiate agreements for the old television shows it carries, such as “Breaking Bad” from Sony and “NCIS” from Paramount Global.




Once they work everything out, they will then work on a price and launch date.
 
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Their stocks have dropped 70% in the last couple of months. They're losing subscribers hand over foot. So no, I'm not.
Wrong about subscribers. And wrong on math too.

Dropped 70% in the last couple months? Today is July 13, 2022, and NFLX closed at $176.56. Two months ago (you did say "last couple of months"), on May 13, 2022, NFLX closed at $187.64. That's only a decline of 5.9%

Even if you go back an extra month to April 13, 2022, when NFLX closed at $350.43, stock has declined 49.6%.


The glaringly-obvious-to-anyone-with-at-least-some-level-of-cranial-activity agenda that caused their stock to plummet 70% and a mass exodus of their subscriber base in the last two months. Or are you a big fan of the Cuties movie?
Netflix hasn't reported earnings (i.e. subscriber numbers) in almost 3 months. How would you know they've had "a mass exodus of their subscriber base in the last two months"?
 
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Wrong about subscribers. And wrong on math too.

Dropped 70% in the last couple months? Today is July 13, 2022, and NFLX closed at $176.56. Two months ago (you did say "last couple of months"), on May 13, 2022, NFLX closed at $187.64. That's only a decline of 5.9%

Even if you go back an extra month to April 13, 2022, when NFLX closed at $350.43, stock has declined 49.6%.
They only part they’re incorrect about is the “couple of months” timeframe. Netflix peaked at $700.99 in late 2021. It’s now trading at a fraction of that.
 
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They only part they’re incorrect about is the “couple of months” timeframe. Netflix peaked at $700.99 in late 2021. It’s now trading at a fraction of that.
Only part? 🤣

Cognizant. is also wrong about Netflix seeing "a mass exodus of their subscriber base in the last two months."

The last time Netflix reported subscriber numbers was when they also reported earnings on April 19, 2022. That's almost 3 months ago.


A lot of stocks peaked in later half of 2021 and are trading at a fraction of their peak price. Disney, Nvidia, AMD, Roblox, Moderna, Teladoc, Zoom Video, Twilio, etc.
 
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Only part? 🤣

Cognizant. is also wrong about Netflix seeing "a mass exodus of their subscriber base in the last two months."

The last time Netflix reported subscriber numbers was when they also reported earnings on April 19, 2022. That's almost 3 months ago.


A lot of stocks peaked in late 2021 and are trading at a fraction of that peak.
SPY is down ~20% and QQQ is down ~30% from their ATH’s. NFLX is down ~75%. Those are very different scenarios lmao.
 
SPY is down ~20% and QQQ is down ~30% from their ATH’s. NFLX is down ~75%. Those are very different scenarios lmao.
DIS = down 54.22% from peak
NVDA = down 56.23% from peak
AMD = down 52.86% from peak
TDOC = down 110.36% from peak
ZM = down 82.85% from peak
MRNA = down 65.58% from peak
TWLO = 81.39% from peak


Disney, like Netflix, must be losing a lot of customers too. Same with Nvidia, AMD, Zoom Video, Teladoc, etc. :rolleyes:


Nope. Zoom Video actually grew customers.


Customer Metrics: Drivers of total revenue included acquiring new customers and expanding across existing customers. At the end of the first quarter of fiscal year 2023, Zoom had:
  • Approximately 198,900 Enterprise customers, up 24% from the same quarter last fiscal year.
  • A trailing 12-month net dollar expansion rate for Enterprise customers of 123%.
  • 2,916 customers contributing more than $100,000 in trailing 12 months revenue, up approximately 46% from the same quarter last fiscal year.
 
DIS = down 54.22% from peak
NVDA = down 56.23% from peak
AMD = down 52.86% from peak
TDOC = down 110.36% from peak
ZM = down 82.85% from peak
MRNA = down 65.58% from peak
TWLO = 81.39% from peak


Disney, like Netflix, must be losing a lot of customers too. Same with Nvidia, AMD, Zoom Video, Teladoc, etc. :rolleyes:


Nope. Zoom Video actually grew customers.


Customer Metrics: Drivers of total revenue included acquiring new customers and expanding across existing customers. At the end of the first quarter of fiscal year 2023, Zoom had:
  • Approximately 198,900 Enterprise customers, up 24% from the same quarter last fiscal year.
  • A trailing 12-month net dollar expansion rate for Enterprise customers of 123%.
  • 2,916 customers contributing more than $100,000 in trailing 12 months revenue, up approximately 46% from the same quarter last fiscal year.
Cherry picking stocks that are also performing poorly only shows that some other individual stocks are also doing poorly. That’s it. When you look at the broader market or zoom in on sectors, Netflix is doing much worse. The closest stock to Netflix that you managed to cite was Disney which is down about a 50% haircut. NFLX is down a 50% haircut followed by another 50% haircut. Down 75% and down 55% might seem not all that far apart, but it is. To get back to ATH Disney has to roughly double. For Netflix they have to double and then they have to double again.
 
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I don't care about the ridiculous 480p or the monthly fees. Ever since Netflix planned to treat home sharing members as thieves and charge "extra" money, I quit, and never back! I believe it would be a good textbook example -- what to do when you have too many customers? Easy, just accuse the customer of being a thief.
I don't care if it's free, promotion, gift .... I don't want any of them, Netflix is synonymous with BS to me.
 
Yawn. I re-subscribed to Netflix this week just to catch the end of season 4 of Stranger Things. I intentionally waited until the finale was released so as to not fall prey to Netflix's blatant scheme to get 2-3 months of subs from Stranger Things watchers. I'll be cancelling again before renewal. Hulu, Disney, HBO, and Apple will continue to get my streaming dollars for the foreseeable future.

Wise consumption!
 
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Right? Forcing people to get 4 streams to get 4K in a single house hold just makes no freaking sense unless you end up sharing. Hell, offering different streaming quality solutions depending on your plan makes no sense in 2022. in fact, they are the only streamer with this kind of business „strategy“ as far as I know. Obviously it’s not working for them either
Frndly TV tiers resolution also. 480p on base plan (but even their top “HD” plan is embarrassingly only 720p).
 
Cherry picking stocks that are also performing poorly only shows that some other individual stocks are also doing poorly. That’s it. When you look at the broader market or zoom in on sectors, Netflix is doing much worse. The closest stock to Netflix that you managed to cite was Disney which is down about a 50% haircut. NFLX is down a 50% haircut followed by another 50% haircut. Down 75% and down 55% might seem not all that far apart, but it is. To get back to ATH Disney has to roughly double. For Netflix they have to double and then they have to double again.

Ah. So you want to compare NFLX to its peers in the content business / same industry. Okay. I can do that. Since I already mentioned Disney let's move on to others.

PARA = down 75.46% from its peak. Oh, look at that. They grew subscribers last quarter.


« Continued Momentum in Direct-to-Consumer (DTC), With Strong Consumer Demand in the Quarter
Grew Total Global Streaming Subscribers to Over 62M, Driven by 6.8M Paramount+ Subscriber Additions
Expanded Pluto TV Global Monthly Active Users (MAUs) to Nearly 68M

« Robust Monetization in DTC, With Revenue up 82% Year-Over-Year to $1.1 Billion
Achieved 95% Growth in DTC Subscription Revenue, Fueled by Paramount+
Generated a 59% Increase in DTC Advertising Revenue, Driven by Pluto TV



WBD = down 81.85% from its peak and they grew subscribers too.


Financial Highlights

- Ended Q1 2022 with 24 million DTC Subscribers, an increase of 2 million subscribers since the end of Q4.



FUBO = down 95.87% from its peak and they grew subscribers and revenue last quarter.


fuboTV’s North American (U.S. and Canada) streaming business delivered a record $236.7 million in total revenue in the first quarter, an increase of 98% year-over-year. The company also delivered solid year-over-year growth in advertising revenue (up 81% to $22.8 million) and total paid subscribers (up 81% to 1,056,245).



ROKU = down 82.27% from its peak. Yes, they grew subscribers too.


Q1 2022 Key Results

- Total net revenue grew 28% year-over-year (YoY) to $734 million
- Platform revenue increased 39% YoY to $647 million
- Roku added 1.1 million incremental Active Accounts in Q1 2022 to reach 61.3 million
- Streaming Hours increased by 1.4 billion hours over last quarter to 20.9 billion
- Average Revenue Per User (ARPU) grew to $42.91 (trailing 12-month basis), up 34% YoY



CURI = down 92.88% from its peak and another streaming provider that grew subs


First Quarter 2022 Financial Results

- Revenue of $17.6 million, up from $9.9 million in the first quarter of 2021;
- Total paying subscribers of approximately 24 million, up 50% year over year;
- Gross profit of $5.8 million compared to $5.7 million in the first quarter of 2021;

First Quarter 2022 Business Highlights

- Grew subscribers while maintaining low single digit churn
- Launched Curiosity Now Free, Ad-supported Streaming TV (FAST) channel
 
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A better solution would be:

No ads tier = $$ per month
Some ads tier = $ per month
Lots of ads tier = Free

Consumers feel cheated when they have to pay for ads when that’s the only alternative . Otherwise there is a big cancel button on their account page.
 
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Ah. So you want to compare NFLX to its pears in the content business or same industry. Okay. I can do that. Since I already mentioned Disney let's move on to others.

PARA = down 75.46% from its peak. Oh, look at that. They grew subscribers last quarter.


« Continued Momentum in Direct-to-Consumer (DTC), With Strong Consumer Demand in the Quarter
Grew Total Global Streaming Subscribers to Over 62M, Driven by 6.8M Paramount+ Subscriber Additions
Expanded Pluto TV Global Monthly Active Users (MAUs) to Nearly 68M

« Robust Monetization in DTC, With Revenue up 82% Year-Over-Year to $1.1 Billion
Achieved 95% Growth in DTC Subscription Revenue, Fueled by Paramount+
Generated a 59% Increase in DTC Advertising Revenue, Driven by Pluto TV


WBD = down 81.85% from its peak and they grew subscribers too.


Financial Highlights

- Ended Q1 2022 with 24 million DTC Subscribers, an increase of 2 million subscribers since the end of Q4.



FUBO = down 95.87% from its peak and they grew subscribers and revenue last quarter.


fuboTV’s North American (U.S. and Canada) streaming business delivered a record $236.7 million in total revenue in the first quarter, an increase of 98% year-over-year. The company also delivered solid year-over-year growth in advertising revenue (up 81% to $22.8 million) and total paid subscribers (up 81% to 1,056,245).
You have to compare across similar timeframes. The ATH’s I previously mentioned for SPY and QQQ were around the same time as NFLX Nov/Dec ‘21. PARA is only down around 12% over that same time frame. WBD only 50%. You’re roughly correct on FUBO, but it’s a very different kind of streaming service than the others, focusing on live sports. The time frames you’re using to cite numbers are over wildly different time spans, with 8 months for NFLX versus 16 months for PARA and WBD.
 
Its not bad content, or the prices, or whatever causing any slowdown. It is a false narrative caused by them giving up their Russian subscribers.

I heavily disagree, it’s really hard to find anything worth to Watch from Netlfix anymore, they are putting all kind of crap out week after week. They need to keep their viewers hungry, but everyone knows it’s turning to negative When you don’t put any effort for content you release.

Price is also big problem, giving 480p for basic tier is just biggest joke in the streaming industry in 2022. Netflix will keep losing users to other streaming services who put quality content (4K!!!) out slowly and have also option to release cinema movies to their streaming services. Netflix just can’t keep up with competition if they don’t drastically change their service. Their service is way too expensive for what they offer.
 
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