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I'm not apologizing for anything or anyone. Again, subscription services have been around for ages including newspapers, all types of magazines, cable/satellite television, premium channels, video store memberships, etc.

As far as streaming services go, the costs are much lower (at least after adjusting for inflation) than what premium channels used to be or what it would cost to rent videos. People can subscribe to several streaming services for what it may have cost to get just a couple premium channels. Today's streaming channels also have much more viewing flexibility with on demand features. Other potential costs associated with streaming services have come way down too e.g., look at how inexpensive televisions and other types of devices have become.

Some may not realize just how inexpensive streaming services can be by comparison, especially as you can choose to subscribe, unsubscribe, resubscribe so easily and many offer even cheaper ad-supported options.

Your confidence doesn’t make you more right.
 
Netflix 20 years ago: "Join Netflix to get rid of expensive cable movie channels and ditch the commercials!"

Netflix today: "I wish there was a system where we charged people monthly to surf our content, we could raise the prices anytime, and that allowed us to also make money off these new things called ads. What would you call a service like that?"
 
We canceled Hulu, and we'd cancel Netflix if it wasn't free with our cellular company. The moment they don't pay for it, it's gone. I don't see the value in paying cable-money in order to have a splintered, streaming experience. I'd rather just get cable and have it all right there in front of me... inconvenient or not.
 
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Do you shoplift your food and other items as well?
If someone shoplifts food, they are removing the food from the store and therefore noone else can get that food, when someone downloads a copy of a movie or tv show they are still available, nothing has been stolen, it is an easier way of sharing, just like back in the day if someone copied a VHS tape for another person which everyone that had VHS tapes has done, that is not stealing, please know the definition of words before making a comment
 
Correct with a couple of very crucial additions...

Walmart and Amazon and the local governments who gave them tax breaks and the local people who chose to give them their business all together have destroyed much of the American life style
Exactly no one forced the customer to go there. Just like NF customer need to take a stand and cancel and feedback
 
We canceled Hulu, and we'd cancel Netflix if it wasn't free with our cellular company. The moment they don't pay for it, it's gone. I don't see the value in paying cable-money in order to have a splintered, streaming experience. I'd rather just get cable and have it all right there in front of me... inconvenient or not.
We are the opposite with VZW. NF was cancelled long ago, but still only $10 for D+ Bundle. If that ever changes they will be gone too
 
I still consume a ton of Netflix. I just sub to other sites only as needed and cancel. Netflix is the only one I consistently go back to. I cancelled Hulu, Max, Paramount/Showtime. I only sub to those for specific shows. Once done, I cancel. Same with Disney +. Amazon I don't stream as much, but I buy stuff consistently enough to keep it. So Netflix still provides value to me for now. But with that said I'm not tied to it by loyalty, lol. Only in so that they still provide me value.
 
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I think this is a moment that Apple has been waiting for.

Since we’re obviously going back down the same well worn path it’s evident that the next step is the mega bundle. Disney and Apple are already driving towards it by rolling live sports into their services. Next we’ll see a wave of “want to stop the subscription bloat? Check out Apple Bundle 1! Includes live sports, local TV, Netflix, Disney +, Max and Peacock all for one low price!”
 
I think this is a moment that Apple has been waiting for.

Since we’re obviously going back down the same well worn path it’s evident that the next step is the mega bundle. Disney and Apple are already driving towards it by rolling live sports into their services. Next we’ll see a wave of “want to stop the subscription bloat? Check out Apple Bundle 1! Includes live sports, local TV, Netflix, Disney +, Max and Peacock all for one low price!”
I saw Disney advertising a new more ad-free bundle pricing today as a FYI via email.
Access your favorite stories, Originals, and more without the ads. Enjoy nonstop streaming with ad-free Disney+ and Hulu, plus live sports on ESPN+ (with ads) for just $1‌9.9‌9 a month with the Disney Bundle Trio Premium plan.
Note the Hulu partnership ends in 2024 for DisneyComcast. Parts of Hulu will likely get absorbed between the two as it ends. Disney will just enable Star in the states finally.
 
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I saw Disney advertising a new more ad-free bundle pricing today as a FYI via email.

Note the Hulu partnership ends in 2024 for DisneyComcast. Parts of Hulu will likely get absorbed between the two as it ends. Disney will just enable Star in the states finally.

Exactly. We’ll see a period of consolidation too. Hulu is the first to go. Some of the others will follow.
 
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If someone shoplifts food, they are removing the food from the store and therefore noone else can get that food,

True. But food is a tangible good. A movie is a non-tangible good. The value is in the intellectual property, not the physical thing.

Furthermore, as someone already pointed out to you, the absence of the item is a CONSEQUENCE of the fact that it’s been STOLEN from the store. The significant factor is that you didn’t PAY FOR IT, not that it’s gone.

when someone downloads a copy of a movie or tv show they are still available, nothing has been stolen,

Incorrect. You’ve stolen the royalties that the content creators are owed. Distributing someone else’s intellectual property deprives the owners of the compensation they deserve. That’s theft.

it is an easier way of sharing,

The fact that it’s easy doesn’t magically render it legal and victimless.

just like back in the day if someone copied a VHS tape for another person which everyone that had VHS tapes has done,

Gonna guess you’re in your 20s.

Here’s the skinny: dual cassette VHS machines were an extremely niche product and practically no one had two VCRs to link up for copying purposes.

So no, “everyone that had VHS tapes” did not do that. In fact almost no one did that.

that is not stealing, please know the definition of words before making a comment

It is literally stealing by any definition.
 
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True. But food is a tangible good. A movie is a non-tangible good. The value is in the intellectual property, not the physical thing.



Incorrect. You’ve stolen the royalties that the content creators are owed. Distributing someone else’s intellectual property deprives the owners of the compensation they deserve. That’s theft.



The fact that it’s easy doesn’t magically render it legal and victimless.



Gonna guess you’re in your 20s.

Here’s the skinny: dual cassette VHS machines were an extremely niche product and practically no one had two VCRs to link up for copying purposes.

So no, “everyone that had VHS tapes” did not do that. In fact almost no one did that.



It is literally stealing by any definition.
You are incorrect on every point you made
 
You are incorrect on every point you made

If that was true you’d demonstrate why instead of just shouting at the wind.

Everything I said is true, correct and factual. You’re attempting to justify straight up theft with arguments that don’t make sense and ignore the actual definition of the words you’re using. Not to mention your wild fantasy about everyone copying and sharing VHS tapes. That never happened.
 
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By the way you didn't need a dual VHS player to make a copy and plenty of people had more than 1 VHS player

1) No, they didn’t. For the vast majority of the life of VHS the players were so expensive that people generally owned only one, if they owned one at all. Many people simply rented one when they wanted to watch a movie.

2) People recorded movies off of TELEVISION and shared the tape with friends, but that is not the same thing as you’re claiming.

The fact is that you made that up. There was no wide spread copying of commercial VHS tapes for private redistribution.
 
The personal attacks aside, no. That isn’t my position. My position is that you made up the idea that everyone was copying and sharing VHS tapes. That isn’t true. If it was you’d prove it. But it isn’t so you can’t. The end.
Yes i will get in my time machine and go get that proof for you, you wait here I will be right back
 
I don’t see how the streaming services can make money long term. The business model doesn’t make sense to me — it encourages consumption, but you have to keep offering new content, which will continue to cost more, leading to lower profit, leading to higher consumer prices to make up for the lost profit. At what point does the consumer wake up and step out of this doom loop?
This applies double to music streaming. It's just not a profitable business model. For anyone. It's bad for musicians, bad for artists, bad for companies

I think the iTunes Store model was probably the way to do it, but I'm open to new ideas too
 
2) People recorded movies off of TELEVISION and shared the tape with friends, but that is not the same thing as you’re claiming.
Definitely a grey area. It was public OTA, so I can kind of see the argument for allowing copying, but I never did that either. If someone wanted to watch something I had recorded, they watched with me on my machine and TV. :) I go so far back my first VCR was a Sony betamax machine with a *wired* remote. I remember paying a lot of money for it too!
 
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