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I remember when we used to talk on music forums back in late 2000s when Spotify was announced. How the hell can an all-you-can-eat business plan for $8-10 (back then) be financially viable for the arts in general (regardless music, movies etc). It will never work. They are already approaching 90s cable tv prices, we have gone full circle lol.

My wife and I recently went through all our streaming subscriptions. It was nuts. We were paying close to $200 a month for everything we were using. She had Spotify, I had the 6TB iCloud+ Family Plan. We had live TV through FUBO for live golf (which is over now). Disney Plus/Hulu combo with no ads and the HBO Max Add On. That's more than I was spending on cable 5 years ago when I cut the cord. **** was coming out to like $2500ish a year.

So we immediately cancelled the extraneous, and I spent $500 on a NAS to consolidate my 20TB of ripped DVDs and TV shows, and I think we just have the iCloud+ family plan now, and an antenna for when I want to watch football.
 
I think it’s hilarious the number of people posting about corporate greed next to people so greedy they steal shows.

How about you just don’t watch what you don’t pay for. It’s so easy and had the benefit of a little moral clarity…Netflix you raised your prices so they are no longer worth my watching. Instead of Netflix you raised your prices to the point where I must still steak them because of course your product is still something I must watch. Pathetic.

The easiest solution is best of both worlds. You just rotate services. That doesnt help if a major motivation is watching shows when everyone else does but if that social benefit is so great then it’s worth the cash.

All the services make it easy to cancel and sign up. To stop and start. Just stop and rotate.
 
I currently have a subscription to all of those and a handful of others. At the moment it’s costing me about as much as Dish was two years ago. The killer price wise right now is YouTube TV, which I only subscribe to for Formula 1. If Apple puts the money down for F1 rights I’m hoping I can drop YouTube TV altogether.

And that said, I have no children, my house and car are paid for and my partner isn’t a big financial burden. She makes her own money.
I get YouTube TV every year for the NBA playoffs …I wish I hadn’t read your post and learned I could get formula 1. I don’t think I can afford YouTube TV a few more months of the year
 
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Joining aboard the old ship just gets easier and easier... may as well do it now, everyone!
 
Reads like so much apologetics. If you genuinely can’t see the explosion of the subscription model I can’t help you. I do wonder how old you are though…

I'm not apologizing for anything or anyone. Again, subscription services have been around for ages including newspapers, all types of magazines, cable/satellite television, premium channels, video store memberships, etc.

As far as streaming services go, the costs are much lower (at least after adjusting for inflation) than what premium channels used to be or what it would cost to rent videos. People can subscribe to several streaming services for what it may have cost to get just a couple premium channels. Today's streaming channels also have much more viewing flexibility with on demand features. Other potential costs associated with streaming services have come way down too e.g., look at how inexpensive televisions and other types of devices have become.

Some may not realize just how inexpensive streaming services can be by comparison, especially as you can choose to subscribe, unsubscribe, resubscribe so easily and many offer even cheaper ad-supported options.
 
Netflix told you the sham tale about how removing password sharing boosted it's profits and user base. hahahaha.
None of that was true.
 
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Mine is free or I would have gotten rid of it years ago. Outside of stand up comedy specials, Netflix is total ass.
 
It used to be a fantastic service almost a decade ago when it first offered a streaming service. Currently, their selection of movies and shows is poor, although there are a few good ones.
Cancelled even before they went from third party to originals when they split subs for discs and streaming
 
I'm not apologizing for anything or anyone. Again, subscription services have been around for ages including newspapers, all types of magazines, cable/satellite television, premium channels, video store memberships, etc.

As far as streaming services go, the costs are much lower (at least after adjusting for inflation) than what premium channels used to be or what it would cost to rent videos. People can subscribe to several streaming services for what it may have cost to get just a couple premium channels. Today's streaming channels also have much more viewing flexibility with on demand features. Other potential costs associated with streaming services have come way down too e.g., look at how inexpensive televisions and other types of devices have become.

Some may not realize just how inexpensive streaming services can be by comparison, especially as you can choose to subscribe, unsubscribe, resubscribe so easily and many offer even cheaper ad-supported options.
Nobody likes to see prices of anything going up but the cost of Nexflix is not much more if at all than a ticket for one person to go to the movies once. Some folks have no difficulty in spending 10 to 20 dollars for a crappy fast food lunch but the moment a streaming subscription goes up a buck or two...I AM CANCELLING. Strange behaviour...
 
Nobody likes to see prices of anything going up but the cost of Nexflix is not much more if at all than a ticket for one person to go to the movies once. Some folks have no difficulty in spending 10 to 20 dollars for a crappy fast food lunch but the moment a streaming subscription goes up a buck or two...I AM CANCELLING. Strange behaviour...
The issue isn't just the rise. It's the amount and frequency. And that it's everyone whether needs or wants. And it all outpaces wages by a ton
 
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Netflix's next planned changes includes introducing new add-free and add-supported levels for black and white movies only or those in B&W AND living color.
 
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And yet I bet they still won’t introduce a UHD plan for just two streams at the same time instead of four.
That's the one reason I defend people sharing with NF. If you force someone to pay for 4 streams to get 4K they can use they as they want. At least with D+ it's just ads or no ads.
 
I think it’s hilarious the number of people posting about corporate greed next to people so greedy they steal shows.

How about you just don’t watch what you don’t pay for. It’s so easy and had the benefit of a little moral clarity…Netflix you raised your prices so they are no longer worth my watching. Instead of Netflix you raised your prices to the point where I must still steak them because of course your product is still something I must watch. Pathetic.

The easiest solution is best of both worlds. You just rotate services. That doesnt help if a major motivation is watching shows when everyone else does but if that social benefit is so great then it’s worth the cash.

All the services make it easy to cancel and sign up. To stop and start. Just stop and rotate.
When Netflix is making billions and we had to have massive walkouts because of corporate greed not paying their fair share.
These services account for piracy. Because they know their model is flawed.
They account for every single thing. They pay millions a year finding out ways to offset that and they STILL MAKE BILLIONS.
Think of why piracy still exists. In places off the coast of Africa and such.
Corporations have plundered the land plundered the riches. The people of these starving nations have nothing left to loose and constantly have to take back something to even survive.
Exactly with the pirates of old. They did this to survive because of empires ripping everything from their people to push the riches up to the top.

Netflix and these streaming services are sucking the creative minds in our world dry in search of ever soaring profits and riches.

As long as entities like this exist piracy of some form will exist. There is no middle ground.

It’s not as if a few million people pirating content is stealing from writers and producers and actors. Have you seen their compensation? The checks they get for reruns? The money they make for their life’s work and continued exploitation of the work?
I’ve seen so many countless posts by creatives talking about how their work is stollen and exploited. And some of them telling people to resort to piracy.

Saying every raise in price is because of inflation is laughable. They could keep prices the same at the expense of SLIGHTLY SMALLER profit margins.
Offering content at a good price. But why do that? Their shareholders mean more than any one person subscribing. They don’t care about us, the creative teams farming their content.
 
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When Netflix is making billions and we had to have massive walkouts because of corporate greed not paying their fair share.
These services account for piracy. Because they know their model is flawed.
They account for every single thing. They pay millions a year finding out ways to offset that and they STILL MAKE BILLIONS.
Think of why piracy still exists. In places off the coast of Africa and such.
Corporations have plundered the land plundered the riches. The people of these starving nations have nothing left to loose and constantly have to take back something to even survive.
Exactly with the pirates of old. They did this to survive because of empires ripping everything from their people to push the riches up to the top.

Netflix and these streaming services are sucking the creative minds in our world dry in search of ever soaring profits and riches.

As long as entities like this exist piracy of some form will exist. There is no middle ground.

It’s not as if a few million people pirating content is stealing from writers and producers and actors. Have you seen their compensation? The checks they get for reruns? The money they make for their life’s work and continued exploitation of the work?
I’ve seen so many countless posts by creatives talking about how their work is stollen and exploited. And some of them telling people to resort to piracy.

Saying every raise in price is because of inflation is laughable. They could keep prices the same at the expense of SLIGHTLY SMALLER profit margins.
Offering content at a good price. But why do that? Their shareholders mean more than any one person subscribing. They don’t care about us, the creative teams farming their content.
Wow...you focus your scathing comments at the streaming services yet you use (for how many years I have no idea) Amazon. Amazon has done more far harm to small and medium sized towns, small and medium sized businesses, and the environment than the streaming services have done. But as long as people can get their stuff dropped on their porch in hours or a day, life is great.
 
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Wow...you focus your scathing comments at the streaming services yet you use (for how many years I have no idea) Amazon. Amazon has done more far harm to small and medium sized towns, small and medium sized businesses, and the environment than the streaming services have done. But as long as people can get their stuff dropped on their porch in hours or a day, life is great.
The moment it became apparent they were exploring their creative teams and chose to raise prices because of their said exploration I canceled… have been canceled since all of stuff came out about the strikes.
 
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Netflix used to be cheap enough that I would keep my monthly subscription even if I only watched one show. Now, with the higher price, I just subscribe for one month every now and then to catch up on the shows I want to see. The net result is I pay Netflix less than 1/4 of what I used to.
 
Walmart and Amazon together have destroyed much of the American life style. Drive cross country on secondary roads. Most of the really wonderful Mom & Pops are closed and then you see the Walmart that wiped them out.

We watched TV in the 50s and the news was an hour long of "news". Radio talk shows back 10 years or so had less than 10 minutes of adds per hour. Now we are lucky to get 10 minutes of the program AND 50 MINUTES OF ADDS.
 
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Walmart and Amazon together have destroyed much of the American life style. Drive cross country on secondary roads. Most of the really wonderful Mom & Pops are closed and then you see the Walmart that wiped them out.
Correct with a couple of very crucial additions...

Walmart and Amazon and the local governments who gave them tax breaks and the local people who chose to give them their business all together have destroyed much of the American life style
 
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