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The difference with iTunes Match is that Apple just checks out music already on their servers (at least 80% of the time).

Yes but Apple is paying a substantial licensing fee for the matching service. Google is doing something very similar with Play Music. So yes they save on storage costs, but I bet the savings they make there are easily exceeded by the licensing costs - which were necessary for the music industry to even agree to allow Apple to do it.
 
ugh I wish they would give me the choice of a cheaper tier that just allowed background play and removed ads :-/ I'd gladly pay $5 a month for that

That's the point: They want to use the popularity of YouTube to push their music service.

And it will probably work. I'll buy (as soon as it's available in Germany) to protect my kids from ads on YouTube, most of which aren't even age-appropriate. I'm tired of turning the iPad around when we watch something together.
 
I too have wondered about this. From a strictly financial perspective it's probably better for Apple to drive everyone to Music in the long run. However, regardless of how we feel about that it totally misses the bigger picture. Music, Spotify, Amazon Music, Google Music and all the others give us great access to millions of songs... all from the same very large group of artists. But what about the music we can't get on these streaming services?

I've bought CD's of non-mainstream artists that simply aren't available on any of these services. What about them? What about local bands? What about music I make myself? There are just too many scenarios for any of these music services to cover unless they are also willing and able to allow me to inject my own music.

As far as they are concerned we have access to all the music we should need via streaming, regardless of certain artists refusing or being unable to participate. Any number of tracks and albums can vanish from streaming services at various times due to complex licensing issues that have always plagued these services since their inception. These tracks are greyed out or you see albums with missing track numbers in iTunes (i.e. tracks 1-3 are available, 4 and 5 are missing, 6-9 are there, but 10 is missing, with track 11 is also being available. So streaming can certainly be an imperfect solution for some people who really care about deep collections, obscure artists, and/or full albums.

I think Apple may stay in this game for longer as they still have their iTunes digital music store. But I suspect once the digital store goes away, so will the music upload and match components of service.
 
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I too have wondered about this. From a strictly financial perspective it's probably better for Apple to drive everyone to Music in the long run. However, regardless of how we feel about that it totally misses the bigger picture. Music, Spotify, Amazon Music, Google Music and all the others give us great access to millions of songs... all from the same very large group of artists. But what about the music we can't get on these streaming services?

I've bought CD's of non-mainstream artists that simply aren't available on any of these services. What about them? What about local bands? What about music I make myself? There are just too many scenarios for any of these music services to cover unless they are also willing and able to allow me to inject my own music.

That is what the likes of Bandcamp and Soundcloud are for.
Bandcamp in particular offers artists the platform to sell digital and physical music.
But to be honest, ANY artist can have their music on the main streaming services (and they should).
There is no barrier to doing so - its a simple process for any artist.
You do not have to be on a major label to be on Spotify, Google Play, You Tube, Apple Music - its open to all.
Unless an artist has a specific beef with not being on these platforms they should be on them.
The only issue is finding some legacy titles which entirely depends on the rights holder's motivation to get those titles out there.
 
So just because in True Google Fashion(tm), this is completely convoluted and over-complicated, here's the quick translation of what you get if you are already subscribing to one of their duplicate mess music services:

If you subscribe to Google Play Music, you will be converted to YouTube Music Premium, which is only a music service just like now.

If you subscribe to current-Youtube Music, you will be converted to YouTube Music Premium.

If you subscribe to YouTube Red, you will be converted to YouTube Premium, which includes the music service as well as the YouTube features.

In keeping with the official policy of making things as ass-backwards as possible, the smartest thing to do right now if you are a Google Play Music or YouTube Music subscriber is to cancel immediately and sign up for YouTube Red. This will give you the same exact thing you already have, for the same price, but also will give you the premium YouTube features going forward.

If you really want to make your head implode, go over to the android subreddit and try to watch people explain why this actually makes any semblance of sense.
 
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In same boat here. Hope they don't decide to just wipe us out. It would be very Google of them. :/

My family of five has the family plan as well, and we love it. I’m nervous now to find out how this will all pan out, price-wise, mostly. My pessimistic tendencies are leaning me in the direction of thinking that we’ll end up paying more for what we currently get now. I hope they announce soon what exactly the price tiers are, what the plans specifically contain, etc. $15 a month for unlimited ad-free streaming music and ad-free YouTube, for how much my family uses both services daily, was fantastic.
 
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I've bought CD's of non-mainstream artists that simply aren't available on any of these services. What about them? What about local bands? What about music I make myself? There are just too many scenarios for any of these music services to cover unless they are also willing and able to allow me to inject my own music.
I’m not sure what the issue is here. This is a lot like complaining that you can’t watch Netflix originals on your Amazon Prime account. Larger artists make the choice of where they want to be available. As consumers we have little choice but to follow or not listen. If these means local files or services x, so be it. These options will never go away. TBH is is not realistic to expect one service to handle 100% of cases. There will always be someone willing to fill the gap.
 
Why does Google feel the need to reinvent everything from scratch every few years?

They can't just stick with one thing that works. They have to rebrand, create a brand new app, and throw everyone for a loop each time.

For all of Apple's flaws, one thing I love about them is that they're fairly consistent. The iTunes Music Store opened in 2003 and has had the same name since then. It's only improved in the past 15 years, and when they introduce new services like iTunes Match and more recently Apple Music, they don't radically change everything for existing users. In a way, it instills a sense of trust that the service you're using will be around for a while, so you're more willing to invest in it.

Hell, if you have a firewire adapter you can still sync iTunes with an original iPod from 2001.
 
So just because in True Google Fashion(tm), this is completely convoluted and over-complicated, here's the quick translation of what you get if you are already subscribing to one of their duplicate mess music services:

If you subscribe to Google Play Music, you will be converted to YouTube Music Premium, which is only a music service just like now.

If you subscribe to current-Youtube Music, you will be converted to YouTube Music Premium.

If you subscribe to YouTube Red, you will be converted to YouTube Premium, which includes the music service as well as the YouTube features.

In keeping with the official policy of making things as ass-backwards as possible, the smartest thing to do right now if you are a Google Play Music or YouTube Music subscriber is to cancel immediately and sign up for YouTube Red. This will give you the same exact thing you already have, for the same price, but also will give you the premium YouTube features going forward.

If you really want to make your head implode, go over to the android subreddit and try to watch people explain why this actually makes any semblance of sense.

Ok, I think I understand your explanation (thanks!). I originally subscribed to the Google Play Music family plan, and so get YouTube Red automatically, so technically our family plan is under Google Play music. Does this mean we should be good to go, not needing to change or manipulate anything in how we subscribe to the services? That we’ll just be converted over to the new way of things, case closed. Although I doubt it’ll be that easy and uncomplicated!
 
Google Play Music includes YouTube Red, yes. But I'm paying for Google Play Music.

I always figured they were the same thing. They cost the same and give you access to the same things.

My theory is that you're paying for the music licensing, and one of the reasons why YouTube has restrictions on background play and such is because so many were using YouTube to play music. So once you were licensed for the music, Google just threw in ad-free and background play YouTube as a bonus.

Either way, like I said above this is overly complicated and Google is alienating users by constantly shaking everything up. People like consistency.
 
Ok, I think I understand your explanation (thanks!). I originally subscribed to the Google Play Music family plan, and so get YouTube Red automatically, so technically our family plan is under Google Play music. Does this mean we should be good to go, not needing to change or manipulate anything in how we subscribe to the services? That we’ll just be converted over to the new way of things, case closed. Although I doubt it’ll be that easy and uncomplicated!

The way it's currently understood, you would get converted to YouTube Music Premium, and would lose out on the YouTube features currently have. Unless you are on a promotional pricing plan, your best plan would be to just sign up for a YouTube Red family plan if such a thing exists. Then you'll be converted to YouTube Premium, which lets you keep the Red benefits, as well as getting the new music service.
 
I found this:


"If you already subscribe to Play Music and/or YouTube Red you will be able to keep your current subscription price. You’ll also get to keep your Play Music purchases, uploads, and playlists. Given the way Google worded their blog post, the Play Music app seems like it’ll continue to function, at least for the time being. I invite you to judge for yourself from the following quote:"
 
I found this:


"If you already subscribe to Play Music and/or YouTube Red you will be able to keep your current subscription price. You’ll also get to keep your Play Music purchases, uploads, and playlists. Given the way Google worded their blog post, the Play Music app seems like it’ll continue to function, at least for the time being. I invite you to judge for yourself from the following quote:"

So, according to the blog and paying very close attention to every word, it seems:

-YouTube Music: Free music-only. No YouTube Red.

-YouTube Music Premium: Current Google Play Music people will transition to this. Does not mention that the already included YT Red will still be included.

-YouTube Premium: What is now YT Red, plus YT Music (free anyways, so what's the big deal by including it?). It does say "YouTube Music" not "YouTube Music Premium" so one has to assume they're including an already free service.

There does not seem to be a combo that includes what Google Play Music subscribers get now, which is ad-free music AND ad-free YouTube.
 
If you really want to make your head implode, go over to the android subreddit and try to watch people explain why this actually makes any semblance of sense.

Why do you think I came here?
 
For those asking, I am on a Google Play Music Family Plan just did a chat with Google Play Music support. According to them, nothing changes for current subs. You will pay the same amount and still get Red (soon to be Premium), and also access to YouTube Music. I have seen others on Reddit report the same results from support chat. So it seems at least for now we are grandfathered in.
 
That’s cool, so what do you do to support your favourite artists?
There is an “ancient” way to support them: buy CD, which is deemed by Apple as dead type of media.
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I too have wondered about this. From a strictly financial perspective it's probably better for Apple to drive everyone to Music in the long run. However, regardless of how we feel about that it totally misses the bigger picture. Music, Spotify, Amazon Music, Google Music and all the others give us great access to millions of songs... all from the same very large group of artists. But what about the music we can't get on these streaming services?

I've bought CD's of non-mainstream artists that simply aren't available on any of these services. What about them? What about local bands? What about music I make myself? There are just too many scenarios for any of these music services to cover unless they are also willing and able to allow me to inject my own music.
And they completely neglects a large portion of Japanese music for whatever reason. So, instead of streaming, I need to buy a BDBOX starting from $200-700 and hopefully the said CD is inside. Or I need to buy several copies of same BOBOX and get all CDs that I want. I continue to refuse to use Apple Music because of this single reason. I know. This is part of their marketing strategies. But still.
 
YouTube Red is a garbage platform. I’m signed up for the free trial only for Cobra Kai. Wish it was on a different platform because YouTube is the worst. I would never even pay 1 penny for it and here they are raising the price $2. Now they charge more than Netflix. What makes them think their junk is better?
 
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Google is such a confusing company. It kinda reminds me of Microsoft back in the day. For instance at work today we were talking about Google Search. I recently started in a new position and haven't really looked closely at what we're using for our search engine stuff because in my last position I managed a customized WP search for our network of sites. In the meeting they said that Google is shutting down the Google Search Appliance, which a lot of sites in our organization use, and we're switching to to Google Custom Search. I bring up the site that I had just logged into the other day for the search engine for the sites I just took over, and asked what this is. It was Google Search Console, and somebody there told me that's actually something else entirely. So now I need to figure out what in the world we have and if it's going away because Google never emailed me about this. I actually didn't even have access to it from our resource account as it was tied to the previous, two times removed, web admin's personal Google account so I had to wrestle that back under our control by putting some code on our site to prove to Google that I have control of it. I hate every time I have to interact with their crap. Anyone try using Google Analytics? Talk about user-hostile design. Holy crap!
 
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