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New 12-Core Mac Pros Now Available for Order

That's not so much when you take into account that professional software is easily gonna come close or surpass these prices. Downtime is also extremely expensive with high-payed employees and Apple products enjoy a brand of trust. No bluescreens. Right?

These computers are not meant for the kids to play Starcraft on at home. Or for the hobbyist shooting with the Canon Ixus.
 
cube said:
The motherboard has PCI Express x16 slots.
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What does this have to do with anything? Do you realize that motherboards have been using PCI-E 16 for a few years now? Even my C2D processor motherboard has it. Both the 2009 and 2010 Mac Pro have PCI Express x16 slot mobos.

You really have no idea what you are talking about.
 
Bernard SG said:
This is a real question, no irony or sarcasm underlying:

What kind of usage would request a 12 Core Mac Pro?
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3d rendering and HD/2K film editing. There are also a lot of high-end math programs that would benefit from all those cores. But, most people wouldn't need them. What's interesting, is that most facilities that need that kind of computer power are probably not on Mac's.
 
goobot said:
5000$ damn you know what you can do with that?
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buy a fully loaded 386 system ? I remember a friend doing that way back when. It was an amazing machine for its time. Now looking back on it and we both shake our heads.
 
kyleh613 said:
What does this have to do with anything? Do you realize that motherboards have been using PCI-E 16 for a few years now? Even my C2D processor motherboard has it. Both the 2009 and 2010 Mac Pro have PCI Express x16 slot mobos.

You really have no idea what you are talking about.
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What do you mean by "server" ?. That you can't put a graphics card?
 
For most people, I would say 98% of Mac users, they are better off with the top of the line iMac and spend the savings on a second 27 inch display with more Ram and SSD and a drobo for backup.

All of this combined will provide a far better user experience than having a gazillion cores.
 
THX1139 said:
3d rendering and HD/2K film editing. There are also a lot of high-end math programs that would benefit from all those cores. But, most people wouldn't need them. What's interesting, is that most facilities that need that kind of computer power are probably not on Mac's.
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A lot of universities with science labs use Macs. Like has already been pointed out, Macs are great for professional work, especially because of their reliability and speed. There is a lot of scientific and simulation software that is only available on OSX and takes advantage of computers like the Mac Pro. The kind of people who would buy the $5000 configuration are doing it for their companies, schools, etc. $5000 is cheap for them.

If you are just a normal person sitting at home, you are not who the Mac Pro is for.
 
kyleh613 said:
Those are server computers. You can't even compare them. They don't even have the same CPU and serve completely different purposes. The Mac Pro is not for server work, its CPU is designed for completely different tasks.

There are a lot of you in this thread that really don't know anything at all about hardware that are commenting and really shouldn't be.



I would like to be proven wrong but I somehow doubt I will be. If you want to explain why the 2008 Mac Pro is far more powerful still then i'm all ears. I'm curious as to why Apple would bother making a computer with newer technology then if its no where near as fast. You seem to know better then Apple. I wonder why you haven't taken over their company yet. You seem like you could be the next Steve Jobs if you can make 2008 hardware perform better then 2010 hardware.
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He is talking purely about value for money. It is fact that you got two, expensive, high-end processors in the 2006 and 2008 Mac Pros and that the 09/10 base models come with those from the lower end.
 
cube said:
What do you mean by "server" ?. That you can't put a graphics card?
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Did you not even look at the computers you linked at all? They are server computers.

Umbongo said:
He is talking purely about value for money. It is fact that you got two, expensive, high-end processors in the 2006 and 2008 Mac Pros and that the 09/10 base models come with those from the lower end.
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What? Show me where you see that the 2006 Mac Pro is using the exact same processor as the new 2010 model, but at a faster clock speed. I am not seeing this at all. Most of you don't understand how CPU work. This thread is getting really stupid.

The CPU in the 2010 model is more powerful. Having more processors means absolutely nothing. If you think the 2006 and 2008 Mac Pro is faster then you are trolling.
 
pianojoe said:
The single CPU hexacore and the double CPU quadcore are equally priced (well, more or less). Which one should I get?

I'm doing Logic Studio, heavy stuff with NI Komplete 6 and lots of heavy sample libs. Right now I have a 1st gen Mac Pro 4 x 2.66 GHz, and it's barely pulling the weight. I need to run UAD-2 quads in PCI slots, so an i7 is not an option. Also, 16 GB of RAM will suffice.

Somehow I feel that the hexacore will be the better deal for me. At the least, it'll be running single threaded tasks with 3.33 GHz as opposed to 2.4 GHz.
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I'm in pretty much exactly the same boat, though with perhaps slightly less demanding plug-ins. My 2.4GHz MacBookPro is struggling. Can anyone shed any light on the above?
 
kyleh613 said:
Did you not even look at the computers you linked at all? They are server computers.
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Didn't you read what I wrote? I said the first link was a SERVER, but that you can buy the motherboard separately and put it in a different chassis.

You can put cards in the server box, but it might not be tall enough for good graphics.
 
kyleh613 said:
I would like to be proven wrong but I somehow doubt I will be. If you want to explain why the 2008 Mac Pro is far more powerful still then i'm all ears. I'm curious as to why Apple would bother making a computer with newer technology then if its no where near as fast. You seem to know better then Apple. I wonder why you haven't taken over their company yet. You seem like you could be the next Steve Jobs if you can make 2008 hardware perform better then 2010 hardware.
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If you read my comment carefully. I made no mention that the 2008 Mac pro is of better performance than the 2009/2010 Mac pro. What I said was that in terms of value for money it is better than newer Mac pros introduced over the last two years.
 
kyleh613 said:
What? Show me where you see that the 2006 Mac Pro is using the exact same processor as the new 2010 model, but at a faster clock speed. I am not seeing this at all.
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What are you not getting here? From the article linked above:

The CPUs in the 2008 model were responsible for almost 57% of the system price, now it's down to 22.1%!
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That is where the value for money comes from. If they had a similar value for money now you'd get two 2.66GHz quad core processors in a sub $2,999 system.
 
grooveattack said:
i am in exactly the same boat as you. 8 core but at 2.4ghz. more ram though and cheaper

or

6 core single processor at 3.33ghz with only 3GB ram

what one will be the faster machine?

hmmmmmm hard choices
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That's easy. The 6 core will be faster for most applications. Where the 8 core will overtake the 6 core is when you have applications that require a lot of processing and utilize ALL 8 cores. So, you have to look at what you are using it for and then decide. Final Cut Studio will definitely favor a higher MHZ because it's not optimized for multiple cores. You are better off having less cores that go faster. Each application has it's own needs, so check to see what it's optimized for. For example, if you are doing lots of 3d rendering then 8 cores is going to be best. If you're not using the cores, then go for higher MHZ and ram.
 
cube said:
Didn't you read what I wrote? I said the first link was a SERVER, but that you can buy the motherboard separately and put it in a different chassis.

You can put cards in the server box, but it might not be tall enough for good cards.
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It doesn't matter. A barebones computer doesn't compare to a full fleshed out system especially when its CPU is something entirely different and a budget CPU at that. God you are dumb.
 
J Radical said:
Ridiculous pricing.

Pro's ought to switch to PCs.
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DesmoPilot said:
I can tell you, quite a lot have and aren't looking back.
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it's really going to be something that true pros will have to evaluate. I too have seen a fair number jump ship for a pc because of the stagnant line. Now this? What this does do is tells those who believe they need the power to rethink their decision. I know when I bought I needed the power but now, not so myth. I can totally get away with a high end iMac.

Apple is robbing people blind, here and for what?
 
when configuring, still shows # Apple Cinema HD Display (30" flat panel) [Add $1,599.00] and
# Apple LED Cinema Display (24" flat panel) [Add $749.00]
 
I use Mac Pro everyday for science research and our group use it for some powerful modelling of biomolecules and their interactions. I think it's time to evaluate if it is really worth the price. If you want to pay £5000 for a pretty powerful computer, I'm sure there are better alternatives out there that can do the job just as well. The problem is they are just not macs. Does that really matter? You can always buy an iMac or a MacBook pro for office or personal use.
 
Upgradability. Any difference in motherboard between the 6 and 12-core models?

Can I get the 6-core model now and then upgrade to 12-core myself later? I noticed that the max RAM for the 6-core model is only 12GB. Wonder if different motherboard is being used. Thanks.
 
hajime said:
Can I get the 6-core model now and then upgrade to 12-core myself later? I noticed that the max RAM for the 6-core model is only 12GB. Wonder if different motherboard is being used. Thanks.
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They have different boards, the 6-core is also a single socket processor only.
 
Mac Pro's have always been stupidly expensive because Apple know that these machines are going to last an eternity with the user. And that means they spend less from the Apple store in the long run! So its their cheeky way of getting the most from the consumer.
 
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