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New 12-Core Mac Pros Now Available for Order
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Rofl...notice the increasing desperation in his posts. It's amazing how this guy can't comprehend the simplest things.
Problem is, if people want a matte, anti-glare screen, they need to get a non-Apple-branded screen.
Why?
The 1,000+ petitions at the petition site http://macmatte.wordpress.com/comment-page-1/#comments shows there are a substantial percentage - around 20-40% depending on which survey you look at - that need matte screens.
Generally, these are:
- the percentage of the population that is susceptible to eye-strain and migraine headaches from the glossy screen;
- graphic artists
- photographers
- people who use their Macs in bright sun-lit areas
We're not saying matte screens are for everyone -- but there should be a choice.
If you're in desperate need of a matte screen on your iMac, you might add your petition to the growing list at http://macmatte.wordpress.com/comment-page-1/#comments
Why?
The 1,000+ petitions at the petition site http://macmatte.wordpress.com/comment-page-1/#comments shows there are a substantial percentage - around 20-40% depending on which survey you look at - that need matte screens.
Generally, these are:
- the percentage of the population that is susceptible to eye-strain and migraine headaches from the glossy screen;
- graphic artists
- photographers
- people who use their Macs in bright sun-lit areas
We're not saying matte screens are for everyone -- but there should be a choice.
If you're in desperate need of a matte screen on your iMac, you might add your petition to the growing list at http://macmatte.wordpress.com/comment-page-1/#comments
(Traditionally) NEC offers a little better value per $, while Eizo is... well... the Apple of monitors...
Lacies used to be rebranded NECs, I'd go NEC if that's still the case.
Anybody knows of a build to order PC site in order to try and match configuration to really make a comparison?
I'm not trolling, I live in europe and I just wanted to see (or show) the differences.
For the moment I only found this site but I have no idea if it's a good service or if it's overpriced crap.
I went ahead and tried to build matching configuration of 12 core machines (adding cheapest keyboard to the PC and the network options that were missing and removing sound card (a little unfair to the mac since it has optical sound), and the PC has liquid cooling but still component wise seems equivalent, both with HD 5870).
I ended up with 6648.00$(Apple), 6760.17$(PC maker) but I can't find what type of hard-drive Apple puts in it's mac pro so that point might be unfair to the PC.
Still it's pretty close, but no Idea what that builder is like, so could someone point me to a well known PC builder in the US?
I'm not trolling, I live in europe and I just wanted to see (or show) the differences.
For the moment I only found this site but I have no idea if it's a good service or if it's overpriced crap.
I went ahead and tried to build matching configuration of 12 core machines (adding cheapest keyboard to the PC and the network options that were missing and removing sound card (a little unfair to the mac since it has optical sound), and the PC has liquid cooling but still component wise seems equivalent, both with HD 5870).
I ended up with 6648.00$(Apple), 6760.17$(PC maker) but I can't find what type of hard-drive Apple puts in it's mac pro so that point might be unfair to the PC.
Still it's pretty close, but no Idea what that builder is like, so could someone point me to a well known PC builder in the US?
One note though, I feel Apple should really redesign those stations in the near future...
Is there a reason (beside power consumption) why the Mac pro only has 4 PCIe and only 2 are x16 (one used by the Graphic card)?
At this point Hardware raid (even if it would be with less cache than the PCI dedicated card) should be standard, and there should be 5 hard-drives enclosure in order to have one SSD (for caching typically with modern file systems like ZFS) and the rest for mass storage.
And of course USB3 FW3200 and/or eSATA
Is there a reason (beside power consumption) why the Mac pro only has 4 PCIe and only 2 are x16 (one used by the Graphic card)?
At this point Hardware raid (even if it would be with less cache than the PCI dedicated card) should be standard, and there should be 5 hard-drives enclosure in order to have one SSD (for caching typically with modern file systems like ZFS) and the rest for mass storage.
And of course USB3 FW3200 and/or eSATA
That site is fine for comparison, most companies are around the same sort of price for dual processor systems with similar spec.
Many people would be happy if Apple sold MacPro's with zero RAM, zero hard drive, so you can buy whatever RAM and hard drive you want whereever you find it. I remember Dell selling one of their very expensive workstations with an 80 GB drive, which was about the smallest and cheapest you could find, with the clear intention that the customer rips it out, dumps it, and plugs in two or three terabyte drives.
Jut set x264 to use 24 threads on the 12 core. You're better off buying a PCI hardware encoder if you need to do a lot of encoding.
I have seen some HD-SDI encoders, you can output double speed 4k to the device, encodes many MPEG4 AVC streams at once and outputs using gigabit Ethernet. You can stream over a local network, web, or to storage. Quality is as good as x264. Price around £1k. Unsure on the manufacturer. They are the size of an iPod Classic deigned to use on digital cine cameras. Even do colour-space and gamma correction all in real time.
You are misremembering.
The '06/'07 MP came w/ 1GB stock
The '08 MP came w/ 2GB stock
The '09 MPs came w/ 3GB per processor.
The '10s, like the '09s come w/ 3GB per processor
you can always get more ram and way way cheaper than what apples sells it for. Unless you are constantly using only programs that need more cores the faster 6 core's cpu and faster memory will smoke the 8 core. It would probably give the 12 core a run for it's money in all but the most core intensive apps.
Expensive?!?!
For all those who think the MacPro is too expensive. The MacPro is not in the same class as a PC. It is in fact, a high-end workstation. It's using XEON processors which are server/workstation class CPU's.
Let's compare Apples and Oranges for a minute, but keep in mind, these are in the same class of Workstation.
- Lenovo ThinkStation C20, Dual Intel E5630 Xeon's (Same as MacPro 6-core - 12 Core config), 16GB's of RAM, NVIDIA Quadro FX 1800 768MB (closest I could get), a 250GB hard disk with a 1TB hard disk, DVD Burner, no Bluetooth nor WiFi, single ethernet port. No monitor. - $6,334.00
- Apple MacPro 12-Core, 16GB's or RAM, ATI Radeon HD 5870 1GB DDR5, SuperDrive, 2 - 1TB hard disks, AppleCare, 802.11n + Bluetooth 2.1, FireWire 800, Optical digital audio, MiniDisplay Ports, Dual Ethernet, 2 extra drive bays, fully PCI Express capable. Quality Aluminum case with no visible cables, completely environmentally friendly and recyclable. - $6,348.00
Notice they are very close in price! However, the Lenovo ThinkStation C20 comes with Windows 7 64bit, only has 2 drive bays and you cannot buy 2 - 1TB drives. You cannot exceed 16GB's of RAM. It's not as easy to take the case apart and work on it when you have to. It only offers the Quadro line of video cards which may not be as fast, although good for 3D CAD.
I am not even going to list HP. Their workstations are much more expensive for the same hardware.
So do not confuse the MacPro as a PC Tower, it is not a PC but a highend workstation and if you shop for the same thing in the PC world, you have to select the workstation class machines. The prices are competitive. You get more bang for your buck with a MacPro in most instances.
Now the only way I can see to get cheaper then a MacPro is to build your own but you have to do all the engineering and good luck calling anyone for support or warranty.
Plus, the number one reason to buy a MacPro is Snow Leopard 64bit! Which you cannot run effectively on anything else. Yeah, you can hackintosh it but there are issues such as unsupported hardware, etc.
For all those who think the MacPro is too expensive. The MacPro is not in the same class as a PC. It is in fact, a high-end workstation. It's using XEON processors which are server/workstation class CPU's.
Let's compare Apples and Oranges for a minute, but keep in mind, these are in the same class of Workstation.
- Lenovo ThinkStation C20, Dual Intel E5630 Xeon's (Same as MacPro 6-core - 12 Core config), 16GB's of RAM, NVIDIA Quadro FX 1800 768MB (closest I could get), a 250GB hard disk with a 1TB hard disk, DVD Burner, no Bluetooth nor WiFi, single ethernet port. No monitor. - $6,334.00
- Apple MacPro 12-Core, 16GB's or RAM, ATI Radeon HD 5870 1GB DDR5, SuperDrive, 2 - 1TB hard disks, AppleCare, 802.11n + Bluetooth 2.1, FireWire 800, Optical digital audio, MiniDisplay Ports, Dual Ethernet, 2 extra drive bays, fully PCI Express capable. Quality Aluminum case with no visible cables, completely environmentally friendly and recyclable. - $6,348.00
Notice they are very close in price! However, the Lenovo ThinkStation C20 comes with Windows 7 64bit, only has 2 drive bays and you cannot buy 2 - 1TB drives. You cannot exceed 16GB's of RAM. It's not as easy to take the case apart and work on it when you have to. It only offers the Quadro line of video cards which may not be as fast, although good for 3D CAD.
I am not even going to list HP. Their workstations are much more expensive for the same hardware.
So do not confuse the MacPro as a PC Tower, it is not a PC but a highend workstation and if you shop for the same thing in the PC world, you have to select the workstation class machines. The prices are competitive. You get more bang for your buck with a MacPro in most instances.
Now the only way I can see to get cheaper then a MacPro is to build your own but you have to do all the engineering and good luck calling anyone for support or warranty.
Plus, the number one reason to buy a MacPro is Snow Leopard 64bit! Which you cannot run effectively on anything else. Yeah, you can hackintosh it but there are issues such as unsupported hardware, etc.
Thank you now I don't have to type something long out. And for the link a few pages back comparing price increase to performance increase, how about do that to the same windows based workstations from place like Dell, I'm sure the graphs will look the same.
Yeah, but there are two Mac Pros. The single processor one is the one most people on here are looking at purchasing and that is more expensive than other single socket workstations (in the region of $1,000 usually) and is barely different to higher-end enthusiast/consumer PCs which is why many consider it and then rule it out due to price.
Intel's prices haven't changed hugely over the past 4 years since the move to Core 2 Xeons so neither has the pricing other workstation vendors have used at launch. Apple used to offer the best value for money then in 09 it changed.
Wow, no flirting with the idea of upgrading my 2.66 09 MP at these prices.
I'd really like the software to catch up with all these crazy cores - I still feel like my MP has way further power to draw from but the software can't hack it right now.
3 more years and I'll upgrade perhaps!
I'd really like the software to catch up with all these crazy cores - I still feel like my MP has way further power to draw from but the software can't hack it right now.
3 more years and I'll upgrade perhaps!