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New 12-Core Mac Pros Now Available for Order

Torrijos said:
How about a link to where you bought your machine?
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I did not buy my workstation from an OEM, I have build it myself. Here is the component list:

2x Kingston ValueRAM 6GB (3 x 2GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1333 ECC Unbuffered Server Memory Model KVR1333D3E9SK3/6GI (Newegg.com)
SUPERMICRO MBD-X8DAH+-O Dual LGA 1366 Intel 5520 Extended ATX Dual Intel Xeon 5500 and 5600 Series Server Motherboard (Newegg.com)
Supermicro CSE-745TQ-920B server case (Wiredzone.com)
2x Xeon X5650 (Internal employee discount site, link will not work for you)
 
Despite all the negative feedback, my employer will buy me a 2,4 ghz Octo for my work place. And since I found a buyer for my iMac I'll buy a 2,8 ghz Quad with the 5870 for home use (Design/Video/3D side projects & gaming). And boy, I'm looking forward to both of them. :)
 
THX1139 said:
That's easy. The 6 core will be faster for most applications. Where the 8 core will overtake the 6 core is when you have applications that require a lot of processing and utilize ALL 8 cores. So, you have to look at what you are using it for and then decide. Final Cut Studio will definitely favor a higher MHZ because it's not optimized for multiple cores. You are better off having less cores that go faster. Each application has it's own needs, so check to see what it's optimized for. For example, if you are doing lots of 3d rendering then 8 cores is going to be best. If you're not using the cores, then go for higher MHZ and ram.
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It really isn't so cut and dry.

Yes, FCP is a GHz whore while editing, but Compressor DOES readily benefit from more cores. I don't know about you, but I spend far more time transcoding than editing.

If the 12-core @ 2.93 GHz doesn't have a lot to do and switches to 6-core turbo boost at 3.33 GHz, it's going to feel just about like the 6-core @ 3.33 GHz, but for transcoding the 12-cores @ 2.93 GHz will beat the 6-core @ 3.33 GHz, hands down. Yes, the 3.6 GHz turbo boost at the equivalent of 3-cores is interesting, but like I said, it's the transcoding that kills my productivity so I went with the 12-core @ 2.93 GHz.

It's like 35.16 aggregate GHz vs. 19.98.

http://www.apple.com/macpro/specs.html#overlay-compare
 
reel2reel said:
I already know and use Avid Media Composer on a PC. I prefer using Final Cut and working on a Mac, though, for several reasons.

So much for your theory.
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Most professional editors have some knowledge of Avid even they tend to use FCP and vice-versa. But if you've spent two or three years using one more than the other, a couple of extra grand on a Mac Pro is probably not going to change your preferred tool or OS. Ultimately, they're all just tools, but once one gets integrated into your workflow, cost is no longer the primary factor in making you change platform. A price hike is just going to p*&@ you off and make you upgrade less often.

My theory holds.

But perhaps I should have said: "Most of them have been using macs professionally for long enough never to want to go to a whole new OS and learn it inside and out, let alone learn Avid/Premiere/Pro Tools/Qbase/Reason/Nuke etc. as well as they know the Mac equivalent they have come to prefer.
 
xgman said:
ordered a 3.33 6 core.
order status:
Ships: Aug 23
Delivers: Aug 26

Hope that improves. Now to find some 1333 ram by then.
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Congratulations. Finally, eh? Got my 3.33 6-core in as well. Yea, OWC still doesn't have 1333 RAM yet.

I really do hope that date is purely "tentative".
 
Icaras said:
Congratulations. Finally, eh? Got my 3.33 6-core in as well. Yea, OWC still doesn't have 1333 RAM yet.

I really do hope that date is purely "tentative".
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OWC product page is supposed to be up later today or early tomorrow, according to the rep I spoke to about an hour ago.
 
To everyone saying the prices are insane... just go spec out a Dell Precision workstation that has the same junk in it.... I'm seeing pretty much the same prices.

For instance... for the faster 12 core workstation it's around ~$7,000 for both.

I've already ordered one of those this morning... and plan on ordering a few more before the day is through....
 
Umbongo said:
I'm guessing you configured a dual processor system with just one processor.

HP's Z400 and Dell T3500 with the 3.33GHz 6-core W3680 start at $2,500. You can make them similar to the Mac Pro in memory, storage and graphics for $500 from a 3rd party, or slightly more from HP/Dell. They also come with 3 years of warranty and onsite service.
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That might be the case. I basically just customized their preconfigured 6 core offerings.

So I'll give Apple this, their website is much more navigable.
 
The prices are only "insane" when you configure extra ram and other options. 3rd party ram options are very reasonable and you can get faster SSD's for the price etc. Mac pro allows user customizations. Might as well take advantage of it and save some money in the process.
 
friedmud said:
To everyone saying the prices are insane... just go spec out a Dell Precision workstation that has the same junk in it.... I'm seeing pretty much the same prices.

For instance... for the faster 12 core workstation it's around ~$7,000 for both.
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yeah, the high end ones are very competitive. now price the same machine from dell as the base ($2500) mac pro. Half the cost! Eeeek! :eek:
 
friedmud said:
To everyone saying the prices are insane... just go spec out a Dell Precision workstation that has the same junk in it.... I'm seeing pretty much the same prices.

For instance... for the faster 12 core workstation it's around ~$7,000 for both.

I've already ordered one of those this morning... and plan on ordering a few more before the day is through....
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I figure most of the people who crap their pants at the prices of these Mac Pros are most likely Apple's "i" market anyway.

Another example of competitive pricing is Apple's new 27" LED, which is priced pretty aggressively, $100 cheaper than it's Dell counterpart, the U2711. I'm quite stoked about this.
 
I just ordered 11

12 cores, but I'm thinking since I got the 12 core models, I should make it an even dozen.

Aug 19 shipping
Aug 20 delivery

Maybe they bump you up if you give them loads of money..
Order Total $71,246.71
 
Icaras said:
I figure most of the people who crap their pants at the prices of these Mac Pros are most likely Apple's "i" market anyway.

Another example of competitive pricing is Apple's new 27" LED, which is priced pretty aggressively, $100 cheaper than it's Dell counterpart, the U2711. I'm quite stoked about this.
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Phenom market is not i-market. Opteron market is not i-market.

I don't care if the ACD is cheaper. It is a bad monitor because of the lack of connectivity.
 
cube said:
Phenom market is not i-market. Opteron market is not i-market.

I don't care if the ACD is cheaper. It is a bad monitor because of the lack of connectivity.
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are you freaken kidding me, an i7 is BETTER than what the Mac Pros are using?


sorry i clicked on the wrong post to quote.
 
cube said:
I don't care if the ACD is cheaper. It is a bad monitor because of the lack of connectivity.
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Well that's subjective now, is it? ;)

Some people may not need that connectivity and will justify the $100 savings. The lack of connectivity may also be balanced by a better build quality, LED backlighting, built in speakers, iSight webcam, and even an ambient light sensor to boot.

Like I said, all things considered, especially coming from Apple, this is competitively priced.
 
res1233 said:
Yes, but, people who buy workstations would most likely not configure their computers like that. People who buy workstations most likely will need the extra power of a dual hexacore computer and the reliability of Xeon + ECC RAM, which, does cost more.
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Not all businesses can afford to drop $5000 on a dual hex core, no matter how sexy that is! ;)

EDIT: Also, it's a mac, and with that comes great customer support, a truckload of apps in Mac OS X that make your life easier, and a case that's designed to be easy to open and mess with, so IMO, you get what you pay for, if your market is workstation-class computers.
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Our experience in house is that we use the same apps on mac and windows, so the apps aren't much of a difference. As for support, well, I've gotten some amazingly crappy tech support from India on our iMacs. Nothing like someone you can barely understand telling you to reformat again, and again, and again...
 
The Beatles said:
are you freaken kidding me, an i7 is BETTER than what the Mac Pros are using?
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i7 sucks. Phenom is better, it just slower than i7.

For 1-way, you can build a workstation with Phenom. It is slower than Xeon, but it is also much cheaper.
 
Heilage said:
Our prices art insane.


I still cannot fathom how they can charge that much for the base model. For the 12-core, I have no real comparison, so it's difficult to say how overpriced it is.
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Actually, go to dell and spec out a similar unit and its about the same price, plus or minus a bit.
 
Has anyone else Noticed

That the last two "Better" configurations appear to be exactly the same tech specs as the 2 "Best" configs offered? Same price as well.

Any explanation why they would bother offering these two.

All things being equal, I ran a few numbers on the price/performance ratios on these machines.

Take this FWIW:

The best deal per core is the Best system and Good system is the worst deal (no surprise).

If you're going towards best buy with price in mind, the better machine is the best deal @ 3499 vs next best deal 3924 for best pro with 6GB RAM in the good config.

If you're going for best money deal overall, the entry level 12 core is the clear champ.

I'm too lazy to offer anything more explaining this assertion, but if you're seriously interested, PM me and I'll explain.
 
MAC PRO

Ships: Aug 23
Delivers Aug 26:( hoping they'll bump it up...

Processor 065-9537 One 3.20GHz Quad-Core Intel Xe
Memory 065-9542 3GB (3x1GB)
Graphics Card 065-9573 ATI Radeon HD 5870 1GB
Hard Drive Bay1 065-9557 1TB 7200-rpm Serial ATA 3Gb/s

upgrading ram and hds myself for way cheaper than apple premium. 16gb ram coming.

wishing i could afford the 6 core.

Done.
 
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