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Is it just me, or does that seem kind of hokey to only put 6GB of RAM and fill up 6 of the 8 RAM slots (esp on the 12 core machine). Yes, I know you can just take out the RAM and put in bigger capacity RAM, but I'd hope they'd at least do a 4x2GB as the base to give you a little more room to expand before you have to start pulling out the stock RAM.

It would be hokey not to fill up the 3 memory slots each so that when do a simple power on test at the factory you test all three memory controllers. Leaving one slot empty on each process would skip that minimal testing.

Same reason don't ship boxes with no ram and no disk. You'd have to put in the ram/disk , test, and then take it out again before final box/ship of the device. It is simpler manufacturing process if don't remove things from the box as it goes down the line.

So it is either going to be 3 memory slots filled per processor with 1GB or 2 GB DIMMs. Bumping up to 2 GB DIMMs would cost more than 1GB ones. However, it is a bit lame of Apple because the 2GB DIMMs are around same prices as the older 1GB DIMMs were at this point. Several of the Mac Pro 3rd party memory vendors (OWC, Crucial, etc.) don't even sell 1GB parts anymore.

Will be even more lame when the next gen Xeons come which seem likely to have 4 memory controllers. If Apple is still playing the 1GB game, then it will be 4GB and 8GB respectively as the standard memory. The low end Mac Pro will have at least matched an entry iMac in memory, but with parts can't even buy.
 
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Note that these systems have triple-channel memory - so 3/6/12/15/18/21/24 DIMMs are the better fit.

Most of the time the effect is small, but if you don't need the 4th DIMM (or the 7th and 8th) you'll get a somewhat faster system. Of course if you need the memory, you'll be much faster with the unnatural number of DIMMs.

Absolutely CORRECT! People that want speed and fill up all the slots, are slowing down by filling slots 4 and 8.
It's a shame Apple or OWC doesn't stress this point.
 
Finally, and thank goodness they have a 6 core option. Right now, I am going to aim for the 6 core at $3800, and if I miss at least I end up at the spec'd out quad core.
$1,000 on the processor alone but hopefully the work completed will easily make a return beyond that. The build to order prices can get crazy and you don't get the chance for something like the Core i7 970.

** starts crushing cans **
$0.50 a pound the last time I checked.
 
After two years wanna bet the resale value of the Mac Pro is higher than the same current value car?

Macs have huge resale values. PCs don't even come close.
 
After two years wanna bet the resale value of the Mac Pro is higher than the same current value car?

Macs have huge resale values. PCs don't even come close.

One of the reasons for this is Apple doesn't release a whole of computers anymore.
 
ARGH!

I had my hexcore all ordered, free iPod Nano :D (I'm a student) and then I get the dreaded "Problem with your order" email :(

Turns out my credit card expires this month so my bank deactivated it! Now I have to wait a few days for the new card to arrive :'( Why couldn't they have waited till tomorrow or something to do that? :( (Or warn me ahead of time!)
 
Ouch, 20k fully loaded. Still I think I'll take the Mac Pro over the Toyota. With the recent recall, I'd rather pick another car brand on that front.
 
The cost to buy 16 GB of ram (4x4 GB 1333 ddr3) is 1000$ for the top quad-core i7 iMac. Why apple charge 1775$ for the same 16 GB memory (4x4 GB 1333 ddr3) for the 6 core Mac Pro?

In part because when you "add" in the configure to order system you have to look at when gets removed as well as added. So if you trade in two 1GB DIMMs and get two 2 GB DIMMS the "add" price is :

2 x 2GB DIMMs - 2 x 1GB DIMMs

Specifically in the iMac case, you are getting two 2GB DIMMs in the standard config. If you go to 4x4GB then you trade in those and add four more 4GB DIMMs. In the Mac Pro case ,you trade in three 1GB DIMMS and buy four 4GB DIMMs. The price should be higher even if they were the same technology since trading in more expensive 2GB parts in the iMac case. Additionally, the Mac Pro DIMMs are ECC so have a slightly higher unit cost, but another significant difference is also the total cost of the units "trading in".

It is not the same memory to 'trade' quantity so there should be a difference.

Apple slaps a percentage markup on the higher priced ECC RAM to that will make the gap wider too. For more expensive parts the gap in incremental costs gets bigger.
 
$1,000 on the processor alone but hopefully the work completed will easily make a return beyond that. The build to order prices can get crazy and you don't get the chance for something like the Core i7 970.

$0.50 a pound the last time I checked.

Normally I would go used or bottom of the barrel. I feel like making a worthy investment this time, and I know there's simply no way I am going to max out a 6 core machine. Hoping to get 6 years or more out of this machine, it's not going to be the usual "trade up for the next shiny thing every 6 months" that you see on the forums all too often, so I'll get my return.

The hard part is going to be those cans, and making the money for the initial investment. I don't get too many long term clients and gigs anymore.
 
Pretty ridiculous pricing. What's worse is you can still get a faster PC for a fraction of that cost. Mac Pro's are the one product from Apple where I really feel like they're a complete ripoff. The only way you can justify a Mac Pro purchase is if you work in the movie industry.
 
Pretty ridiculous pricing. What's worse is you can still get a faster PC for a fraction of that cost. Mac Pro's are the one product from Apple where I really feel like they're a complete ripoff. The only way you can justify a Mac Pro purchase is if you work in the movie industry.

You can't get a faster workstation class machine for a "fraction of that cost." In many industries ECC and workstation-class components are a must.
 
One note though, I feel Apple should really redesign those stations in the near future...

Is there a reason (beside power consumption) why the Mac pro only has 4 PCIe and only 2 are x16 (one used by the Graphic card)?

At this point Hardware raid (even if it would be with less cache than the PCI dedicated card) should be standard, and there should be 5 hard-drives enclosure in order to have one SSD (for caching typically with modern file systems like ZFS) and the rest for mass storage.

And of course USB3 FW3200 and/or eSATA

I was hoping to get a Raid controller with a couple of SSDs and I was disappointed to see that the SSDs are not "compatible" with this RAID card. I have two Intel X-18M G2's in my laptop and in Raid0 the tranfer speeds are around 500-550MB/sec.

I have a couple of questions about the Mac Pro raid card that Apple provides:

(1) If I want to run OSX on an SSD and fill up the other drives with a few 7200RPM drives in Raid0, will I need to buy an aftermarket Raid card?

(2) Or would it be cheaper to configure my MacPro with Raid card and 7200RPM drives and get the SSD separately?

(3) Will the Mac Pro Raid card still work properly even if the primary boot drive (the SSD) is added later?

(4) I understand that to run a Raid with SSD requires a special controller, but is there something else about the MacPro raid card that prevents any use of an SSD in one of the drive bays after the raid is set up?
 
Normally I would go used or bottom of the barrel. I feel like making a worthy investment this time, and I know there's simply no way I am going to max out a 6 core machine. Hoping to get 6 years or more out of this machine, it's not going to be the usual "trade up for the next shiny thing every 6 months" that you see on the forums all too often, so I'll get my return.
Gulftown prices are going to plummet when Sandy Bridge for the Enthusiast/Workstation hits with LGA 2011 in H2 2011. The Core i7 970 might actually hit the originally rumored $562. There does not appear to be a counterpart on the Xeon side for that 3.2 GHz 6-core part though.

Hopefully X58/5500 will be enough with 36 PCIe 2.0 lanes vs. PCIe 3.0 in the future. It might be another 500 days for an update from Apple though on the Mac Pro.

There isn't much to look forward too from Apple.

The hard part is going to be those cans, and making the money for the initial investment. I don't get too many long term clients and gigs anymore.
Times a much tougher now and it's still winding down. Scrapping cans for cash was much worse last year at $0.20/lb. At the peak you could get $0.70-0.90 from a good buyer. That was nearly a decade ago though and throughout the 90s.
 
No 64GB Option?

I wonder why there isn't a 64GB RAM option. My (work) two year old 8-core Dell Precision workstation has 64GB (16x4GB DDR3).
 
Barefeat tests?

Anyone know when Barefeats will have comparisons between all the new 2010 MAC PROs and compare them to Nehalem models as well?
 
Upgrade?

Anyone know if you can upgrade your CPU to a 6 core? I'm not sure if the board is the same but I've heard it is. Anyone know? I'd love to not spend $4k for a $1k processor upgrade if possible. Thanks!:D
 
I wonder why there isn't a 64GB RAM option. My two year old 8-core Dell Precision workstation has 64GB (16x4GB DDR3).

Probably because 8GB DIMMs are only available as registered ECC. Apple decided to use only unbuffered DIMMs, so they would have to change to RDIMMs as they can't be mixed with UDIMMs. Well that or offer both and trust the consumer to understand.
 
Anyone know if you can upgrade your CPU to a 6 core? I'm not sure if the board is the same but I've heard it is. Anyone know? I'd love to not spend $4k for a $1k processor upgrade if possible. Thanks!:D

If you mean can you upgrade the 2009 models to a 6-core processor, then not at this time. It will require a way to change the firmware which seems very unlikely. If you mean upgrade a 2010 model then it seems likely.
 
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