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Thunderbolt 3 and USB 3.1 Type-C Generation 2 is the future now and a must. Deal breaker!
 
So reaction from MacRumors forum members is now worthy of a front page story? Did anyone seriously think Apple would redesign this laptop only one year after release? The MBA had 3 spec bumps before it was redesigned in 2010.
A nice change that critique gets more stage time these days.
Hell, even Walt "The Loyal" Mossberg is beginning to get pushy.

And we all know what to expect from those who get invited by Apple to pick up their marketing screenplay.
As soon as you dare to highlight unfavorable territory... Apple is ready to fight back and if there's one thing they assure the quality of it's that they know how to get the right articles at the right times in the right outlets.

Holy hell have I linked to this site a lot recently:
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Seriously contemplating selling my Macbook 12" now to get a Thinkpad x1 carbon or yoga (to replace the portable Macbook) and keep my Macbook Pro 15 as main machine. The Macbook 12" is nice, I liked it, but after a while, the arrow keys are driving me nuts. Things are getting fun at the Microsoft camp and Ubuntu is growing on me, decisions, decisions...

I moved from Windows and Linux to Macs about 12 years ago. Love them but there are some really nice specced PC laptops coming out at the moment and main machine PC's are so much cheaper (my Mac Pro is in need of replacement but I can't justify the cost of the current Mac Pro's) so I've also been looking at switching back. The problem is, we bought my daughter a windows laptop and the thing drives me nuts. I spend more time sorting stuff on her laptop than I do fixing my 3 machines combined. Every time I start perusing new PC's on the web, she calls out "Dad, I can't print, the printer is showing offline" or something similar and I have to spend 40 minutes trying to sort something that makes me want to throw her laptop out of a window.
 
my 2011 Quad core i7 MBP scores 2265 and 8103 in Geek Bench 3 on the Intel 3000.... This seems kinda slow for the pricing... or is it just me? Have i missed something?
You are comparing a 28W quad-core with a 5W dual-core. Intel's CPU improvements have been mostly focused on power consumption and graphics in recent years.
 
I personally just wanted 16gb of RAM and 1 additional USB-C port...USB C is nice - I just don't like the 1 port...I always found myself needing 2, even though I have a few adapters.

Same here. My laptop is always plugged into power and network. I also want the thing to last which, for me, means I'd want 16gb in there.

Looks like I'll be waiting to see the specs on the Macbook Pro refresh.
 
Apple has dramatically changed from quality to just a lipstick on a pig kind of thing. Nice looking stuff from the outside but junk on the inside. Apple clearly forgot that Steve jobs said "we don't ship junk". Yeah great engineers that can't somehow fit 1 extra usb or 1080p camera. It's all on purpose.
 
Yes, you've missed the point entirely. Core-M is not supposed to compete with a 45w quad core processor. How much does your MBP weigh? How often do you actually use the power of that processor in any meaningful way? If you are like the bulk of computer users, I'd wager it's less than 5% of the time, likely less than 1% of the time. Core-M is built to meet modern needs. Small, power efficient, quiet, and extremely fast in short bursts (such as loading a complex web page) which is exactly what most computer users of today need. If that is not you, or if you have a need for a computer in your life that doesn't fit that mold, no problem. There are still tons of options available for you out there, and maybe a Core-M device might fit well even for you as a mobile device.
An advantage to buying a powerful computer is that you don't need to upgrade anytime soon.
 
I don't care what people say, yes it's nice to have the perfmance boost, but the fact that a modern computer DOESN'T have an HD camera is the most idiotic thing I've seen today....
It's not about the camera. Your paying a thousand dollars for a premium computer. You are expected to receive premium hardware. Apple doesn't care anymore. That's why people are complaining. What a crap upgrade.
 
The significantly faster SSD is tempting, though.
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Plus, Apple would need to re-write OSX and get developers to re-write all their apps. We would lose Windows 10 compatibility, as well.
  1. I think an OS X Kernel update will be coming soon with the direction of where all designs are going.
  2. Microsoft will eventually make an ARM compatibility for Full Windows to be versatile and compete on the IoT front. (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Windows_10_Mobile).

I am honestly confused by people complaining about the 480p camera like that's a big deal. Who is seriously using their Macs camera for anything other than simple business meetings or family chats? Is that really the big thing people complain about?

I like to see every nose hair through a 720P!
 
my 2011 Quad core i7 MBP scores 2265 and 8103 in Geek Bench 3 on the Intel 3000.... This seems kinda slow for the pricing... or is it just me? Have i missed something?

Nope. It's really that sad.
Also. The macbook will start to throttle hard on any long tasks where as yours will keep running at full tilt. So it's actually much worse than the benchmarks lead people to believe.
 
I think this is a decent update. The faster CPU and the faster SSD--if it really does have 80-90 percent faster write, that's amazing!--are worth it for me. I may have a relative that wants my existing 12" MacBook so I may be able to upgrade. As to the single USB-C port, I carry exactly one dongle with me using my current 1.2 12" rMB: a simple USB-C to Ethernet adapter I got on Amazon for doing router configs. I have never wished for, nor needed another port. The Wifi and Bluetooth performance has always worked well for me. Also, I have three USB memory sticks--Kingston and SanDisk that are USB-A on one side and USB-C on the other when I need to transfer files. And as to the camera... I have never used not cared about FaceTime on the MacBook. Just me, I know, but they could get rid of the camera entirely and I wouldn't care.

I usually run Office Apps, Safari, Chrome ands Scivener on my MacBook as well as Parallels with Windows 10 Pro and occasionally Ubuntu. All of those apps run great. No noticeable slow downs for what I do and the laptop barely gets warm even when running full tilt--Windows 10 updates seem to work it the hardest per iStat menus.

Also, as long as the keyboard is the same I am happy. I freaking LOVE the new MacBook butterfly-mechanism keyboard. I do a lot of writing on it and for me, it is just a pleasure to type on. By far the best one they have ever made. Again, just my opinion, I know.

The cost... Yeah it's high. Apple laptops have always cost a lot. (I paid way more for the first Air with SSD in 2008) But they generally last way longer than their Windows counterparts and hold resale value way better. I can afford it so I am willing to pay it. I feel that the value is there for the solid engineering and design of it. It's not a fashion statement as others have said. It is very small--and yes, I think a pound or even half-a-pound less is worth it. And very easy to carry with me to my day-to-day customers' houses and offices.

Also, for those saying that the Lenovo Yoga's are somehow better yet cheaper, I have to disagree. I've owned them and set them up for customers and they have some of the worst keyboards out there and the trackpads--pretty much all Windows laptop trackpads--suck!! Tracking is always off feeling--too quick or slow and two finger scrolling is always questionable. In my opinion very terrible when compared to Apple. And Windows 10 is still kind of a mess to me. (My favorite all around solid Windows OS is still 7 Pro 64bit) Microsoft seems to still be trying to decide whether it's a tablet OS or a useable workstation/laptop OS. Again, all my opinions.
 
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The significantly faster SSD is tempting, though.
There's more than just GeekBench. I believe ArsTechnica or a similar site ran a battery of tests and the Core M (last year's) ran circles around the A9X.

Here's anandtech's results: "Overall each device wins half of the benchmarks, however the Core M powered MacBook wins by a larger average margin. In other words, the iPad Pro is competitive with the MacBook depending on the test, however on average it ends up trailing in performance." http://anandtech.com/show/9766/the-apple-ipad-pro-review/4

So no, the A9X didn't run circles around the Core M, it only trailed a bit. These new Core M processors will pull a head more but the iPad Pro is pretty close in performance.
 
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What is this USB-C port? Is it some kind of new USB port? For new external hard-drive that has USB-C?
[doublepost=1461096752][/doublepost]They say the new MacBook is 15% faster than last year MacBook!! How does this compared to the MacBook Air that has i5 processor? Would MacBook Air be faster? And if so how much faster?
 
AnandTech:
Ultimately I think it’s reasonable to say that Intel’s Core M processors hold a CPU performance edge over iPad Pro and the A9X SoC. Against Intel’s slowest chips A9X is competitive, but as it stands A9X can’t keep up with the faster chips. However by the same metric there’s no question that Apple is closing the gap; A9X can compete with both Broadwell and Skylake Core M processors, and that’s something Apple couldn’t claim even a generation ago. That it’s only against the likes of Core m3 means that Apple still has a way to go, particularly as A9X still loses by more than it wins, but it’s significant progress in a short period of time. And I’ll wager that it’s closer than Intel would like to be, especially if Apple puts A9X into a cheaper iPad Air in the future..

There are some important caveats, such as there is a big gap between chips even within the Core M lineup (as Intel bins its processors), and Skylake pulled further ahead (note that both it and A9X hit the market at the same time). Granted, since then, Apple has indeed put the A9X into a cheaper iPad (rebranded as Pro), and specifically called it a potential replacement for older PCs, and Intel surely isn't comfortable with the gains Apple has made.

However, there is still the issue of software. OS X software would need to be re-written. iOS apps can probably be ported over easily, but for the most part aren't yet as powerful as their OS X counterparts.
 
I am glad to see Apple updated the 12" MB with the newer processor. I purchased the 12" when it came out last year and have used it at least 5 days a seince then. As far as "pro" computing goes it does the jobe very well for most tasks.

I edited a 5 minute video recently with FCP and it worked great.
Code everyday with Xcode, no problems.
Use multiple programs at same time, Word and others, no problems.
Yes I am a "Pro" user.

Now if I were to edit a full length video this would not be the computer for that task, but it would handle it better than an iPad Pro.

The bottom line is, will I get the new model for the boosts in performance? Probably not, but maybe.

As far as this thread goes, it appears there is a whole lot of people who just want to bash Apple, but you all are quite entertaining.
 
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It's not about the camera. Your paying a thousand dollars for a premium computer. You are expected to receive premium hardware. Apple doesn't care anymore. That's why people are complaining. What a crap upgrade.
You are receiving premium hardware. The 2015 MacBook was one of the first to use NVMe and Apple STILL found a way to make write speeds 80% faster this year. The display is highly rated for its accuracy and gamut. The CPU is just as pricey as the 15W Skylake chips. The battery is bigger than in many notebooks that weigh 50% more.
 
Is this the smallest performance jump year over year we have ever seen in a mac lineup?
It's comparable to the jumps between Sandy Bridge, Ivy Bridge, Haswell, and Broadwell in the MacBook Airs and Pros. The last "big leap" was from Core 2 Duo to Sandy Bridge. Intel's been focused mostly on graphics performance and power consumption in recent years.
 
I am glad to see Apple updated the 12" MB with the newer processor. I purchased the 12" when it came out last year and have used it at least 5 days a seince then. As far as "pro" computing goes it does the jobe very well for most tasks.

I edited a 5 minute video recently with FCP and it worked great.
Code everyday with Xcode, no problems.
Use multiple programs at same time, Word and others, no problems.
Yes I am a "Pro" user.

Now if I were to edit a full length video this would not be the computer for that task, but it would handle it better than an iPad Pro.

The bottom line is, will I get the new model for the boosts in performance? Probably not, but maybe.

As far as this thread goes, it appears there is a whole lot of people who just want to bash Apple, but you all are quite entertaining.

The MacBook and MacBook Air was not design for video editing. So it will be very slow for things like that.

The MacBook pro is design for video editing if that is what you are into.
 
Apple is being quite stingy. Just add that extra usb port and I might buy it

It has nothing to o with being stingy. THere's no room for it. Wait 9 months, and if Apple really does remove the 3.5mm jack on the iPhone 7, they will most likely replace it on the rMB with a Lightning 2 port. That is the only realistic possibility which will at least meet your demand halfway.
 
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