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I have read the comments to your question. Some are uninformed, others follow Macrumors protocol and are just mean.

There is nothing wrong with the idea of liking a form factor (Apple) and using windows. Frankly I have never adjusted to OS X and feel Microsoft is on to something with Windows 10 and the merging of all platforms (Phone Tablet Computer) has merit. (Many a mean comment to follow - I could care less) All hardware and software is subjective. Good luck with what ever you choose.

It's called freedom of choice. Unless you live in North Korea, you have the freedom to do whatever you want with your rMB. There are even people buying devices and smashing them to bits on youtube to get money for views.

I once installed Ubuntu Linux on a MacBook Air the very first day I bought it (and wiped OS X immediately). After a month of using it though, I stopped and re-installed OS X because it just became a huge PITA to deal with broken drivers and lack of support (at the time). But it was fun to tinker with it and figure things out (I used to build gentoo kernels back in the day), but when it came down to actually wanting to do something useful (like work), I had to give it up because it was too time consuming.
 
To each there own, but that is like buying a Tesla and having a gasoline motor installed...Sure, it can work, but why would you want to? Bite the bullet, Unix based OS are superior to windows in just about every way, but I will offer you one way that will make your life better...Registry. No such thing on a Unix machine. You life will be improved by getting rid of the antique virus sponge that is the registry. This in my opinion is there to ensure that virus companies can stay in business (probably the ones creating the viruses and hijacks to begin with). Good luck, but don't waste the cash on this...Get a lenovo as suggested or go all in, your life will be easier for making the change.

20+ years Windows user. 2 years Mac OS. I gotta say, he is right. Never thought I would say that :)
 
Sorry but I have three 27" iMacs running my company, all on Windows 7 Pro via bootcamp and could not be more happy. I tried the other MFGs and they were junk. Windows runs like lightning and the iMacs have run without flaw.

I choose to also use a rMBPro and MBAir that also run Windows 99% of the time and do not regret spending the extra on hardware.

I have owned the yoga and it had to be returned twice due to defects and would never try another X1 carbon as it is not even a shadow of the first gen Carbon. Lenovo has lost their way. The last $3300 Lenovo W530 I ordered from Lemovo would not even boot up right out of the box.
 
The Z series has always been produced in Japan. However, their other lines have been produced in other parts of the world.

Just because an investment firm purchased the Vaio line does not mean they are going to deviate from Sony traditions. They would shoot themselves in the foot if they departed too far from built traditions.

Its really irrelevant. Just because Apple is "Designed in California" they are manufactured elsewhere.

I will give you one guess :cool:

The new VAIO owners do not plan to sell VAIO branded laptops outside of Japan for the foreseeable future. So there's no real point discussing VAIO as viable alternative unless the buyer is happy with a Japanese keyboard.

If I had to buy a Windows laptop today, I'd look no further than the ThinkPad T450s.
 
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When it comes to iOS devices, I'm an Apple guy but when it comes to my PC I'm a Windows guy,

... if the MacBook has enough RAM and processing power to run Windows under Bootcamp exclusively- I'll never use the Apple OS.

Any other Windows users move over to the new MacBook? Everything working well and with good speed or is my strategy no good? I'm coming from a 2013 Sony PRO 13 with an i5 processor, 8 gigs of RAM, SSD, etc.

TIA

BJ

I can't find anywhere in this thread where anyone is answering your question...

The ideal person to answer, would be someone who does run Windows under Bootcamp (doesn't need to be "exclusively"), on this retina MacBook. That's the only sort of person who really can answer.

What I can say, is that the rMB is plenty powerful for running OS X, and I can't see why it wouldn't be as good a solution as what you've been used to, up to now. (I've got a 1.2ghz model)

That's from comparing it to a 2012 15" rMBP, so it would be a similar jump to what you're looking at. (The new MacBook is surprisingly capable in real life)
 
It has the same internals as many windows machines

It will therefore run windows as well as any ultraportable with a fanless coreM design.

For your use case it should be absolutely spot on.
 
I remember the OP from the iPad 1 launch, dude was hilarious! You still have the trophy wife and beach house I see! :D
 
I'm using Parallels with windows 10 preview with no issues on my rMB 1.2. Tad slower than I5 or I7 machines but not enough to bother me. Of course it would bother some of the elites here but everything seems to do that. I never cared for Bootcamp. The new Parallels is very fast compared to older versions. I also have a work SP3 and really like the pen and touchscreen, though both are useless if you will be running Windows 7. Funny the new rMB to me is very similar to my old Vaio in build quality, nothing on the market was close.
 
I am in the same position as the OP. Want to buy the Macbook exclusively to run Windows on. To all the idiots who replied with useless comments like "why on earth would you want to do that?!" just shut the **** up and answer his question. If he wants to run Windows on a Macbook, he wants to run Windows on a Macbook, end of. Try answering his bloody question. My personal reasons are that all (yes, ALL, even Dell XPS 13) Windows laptops are horrendously ugly compared to the Macbooks. And for the spec you won't find a cheaper Windows machine.

What is the battery life like on rMB with Windows on Bootcamp? Same as, better or worse than equivalent Windows Core M machines? Significantly worse than on OSX?
 
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I got mine :D . Here are some pics with the MacBook and Vaio Pro 13
 

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I remember the OP from the iPad 1 launch, dude was hilarious! You still have the trophy wife and beach house I see! :D

Yes, and I've more than tripled my net worth since then so it's all good for me.

BJ

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I got mine :D . Here are some pics with the MacBook and Vaio Pro 13

YES!

You and I are on the same page. Are you running Windows and Bootcamp? If you can let me know if it's a suitable VAIO replacement I'd be forever in your debt.

BJ

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I have read the comments to your question. Some are uninformed, others follow Macrumors protocol and are just mean.

I run Windows on a Mac using a virtual machine.

First to your comment about Sony now being Chinese made, almost all computers are manufactured in China right now.

Frankly I have never adjusted to OS X and feel Microsoft is on to something with Windows 10 and the merging of all platforms (Phone Tablet Computer) has merit. (Many a mean comment to follow - I could care less) All hardware and software is subjective. Good luck with what ever you choose.

First off, I meant no disrespect to the Chinese. What I was trying to say is that instead of Sony taking tender loving care to design world-class slim/light VAIO laptops they sold it off and I don't want to be a guinea pig for this new company. I get a new notebook every 2 years, it's time, I'm going to give Sony a cycle off and try another brand. I'm an Apple guy except for the PC, so it would be great if I can get an Apple notebook running Windows to be my VAIO alternative.

BJ

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I'm using Parallels with windows 10 preview with no issues on my rMB 1.2. Tad slower than I5 or I7 machines but not enough to bother me. Of course it would bother some of the elites here but everything seems to do that. I never cared for Bootcamp. The new Parallels is very fast compared to older versions. I also have a work SP3 and really like the pen and touchscreen, though both are useless if you will be running Windows 7. Funny the new rMB to me is very similar to my old Vaio in build quality, nothing on the market was close.

This is good feedback burgman, thanks.

Are you saying that running Windows 10 on Parallels is faster on the rMB than running it on Bootcamp?

Naive me thought that since Bootcamp delivered Windows solo and Parallels ran both OS's, Bootcamp would be faster. It's not? Do I need Parallels for other things that Bootcamp doesn't cover (I don't know....drivers or something?)

Thanks.

BJ
 
To all the idiots who replied with useless comments like "why on earth would you want to do that?!" just shut the **** up and answer his question. If he wants to run Windows on a Macbook, he wants to run Windows on a Macbook, end of.

+1

Why would someone have a problem with people wanting to run Windows only on a a Mac? I will never understand this kind of attitude.
Should we tell people who run MacOS on non-Apple computers that they are stupid and shouldn't do that?

Anyway, I don't have the rMB but I see no reason why it couldn't run Windows. It should run it and run it well. Especially W8.1 which uses a lot less resources than previous versions of Windows.
I have a Zotac mini PC with a Celeron processor (benchmark scores of 40% less than Core M of the rMB) and only 2GB RAM that I use as a HTPC (home theater PC) with W8.1. I never felt that I need more power for most uses.
 
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Why would someone have a problem with people wanting to run Windows only on a a Mac?

They don't have a problem, many are left baffled at those that intend to run only Windows on a Mac. It doesn't make sense especially when many drivers are not optimised for the damn OS, including the all-important trackpad! It's daft. Still, each to their own.
 
Hey guys, I actually just wrote a blog post about my experiences running Windows 10 on my MacBook. Everyone in this thread should be pleased to know that performance is generally fantastic. I don't want to self-promote too hard, but there are some helpful observations for those curious.

http://www.alexvking.com/12_inch_macbook_and_windows_10.html

Alex thank you! I also intend to run Windows 10, I read through your review, I am ecstatic you were able to run Left 4 Dead 2 at 60FPS as that's one of the games I plan to run. I would be super grateful if you could answer some questions:

After a while of playing Left 4 Dead did you experience throttling and thus frame rate drop? If not please could you give this a test? How bad does the heat get?

Are you able to control sensitivity of the force touch trackpad like you can on OSX? I want to be able to click lightly.

Does two finger scrolling work?

How is battery life as compared with on OSX?

Could you try installing the game "Blitz Brigade" on the App Store and tell me how well that runs?

Thanks.
 
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They don't have a problem, many are left baffled at those that intend to run only Windows on a Mac. It doesn't make sense especially when many drivers are not optimised for the damn OS, including the all-important trackpad! It's daft. Still, each to their own.

It's not daft. You just don't understand the needs of high-end Windows users in a corporate environment, so let me shed some light for you, I'll use myself as an example:

Senior Vice President, large corporation, I am given a big and powerful notebook to work with. But I travel a lot and the thing weighs a ton. I make a nice salary and can afford $2,000 to purchase a secondary notebook just for travel purposes, for those 40 days a year I'm on the road or in a boardroom. I leave the company equipment in the dock under my desk, use a lightweight notebook for the road.

And since I'm in an executive management position, I don't do 'work' in the traditional sense; I'm not multi-tasking or creating media but rather managing large groups of people who do the dirty work for me. I'm using my notebook to make C-suite Powerpoint presentations, I'm reading and sending emails, I'm running fairly basic spreadsheets, I'm reading the Journal, I'm watching my Slingbox, I'm Skype'ing with the kids from hotel rooms in Asia and Europe.

There are 1000s of people just like me who used to use Sony VAIO Z product as our secondary notebooks for travel purposes. The new rMB looks to be a quality solution to fill the void that Sony's discontinuance of the VAIO line created. Some people drive stick and some drive automatic but we can both drive BMW's. Running Windows on the new light/thin/retina MacBook is currently amongst the best solutions for executives on the road who don't need massive performance and don't want to drag the horrific corporate notebook whilst traveling. Run the best corporate operating system on the best travel-friendly hardware. Win.

BJ
 
It's not daft. You just don't understand the needs of high-end Windows users in a corporate environment

It's my job to. I'm responsible for delivering I.T to one of the largest companies on the planet. I have nearly 75,000 users across the globe and I not only understand their needs, I deploy services & solutions to enhance their I.T experience. Giving someone a Mac just to run Windows doesn't make sense which is why we don't do it. They get a ThinkPad that I can manage from top to bottom.

Your company is doing it wrong. As a SVP you should really know better than dishing out vanity products to people who's business requirement is to run Windows.

I literally chuckled at this comment:

Running Windows on the new light/thin/retina MacBook is currently amongst the best solutions for executives on the road who don't need massive performance and don't want to drag the horrific corporate notebook whilst traveling

Did you write that without making your own toes curl?
 
It's my job to. I'm responsible for delivering I.T to one of the largest companies on the planet. I have nearly 75,000 users across the globe and I not only understand their needs, I deploy services & solutions to enhance their I.T experience.

I run an environment with over 200,000 systems and manage SCCM. The executives have Apple MacBooks running OS X and Windows. We manage them top to bottom fine with SCCM 2012 and AirWatch.

The last company I worked for executives were also getting MacBooks and running Windows. It's not uncommon. For the general population we have ThinkPads and Dells.
 
It's my job to. I'm responsible for delivering I.T to one of the largest companies on the planet. I have nearly 75,000 users across the globe and I not only understand their needs, I deploy services & solutions to enhance their I.T experience. Giving someone a Mac just to run Windows doesn't make sense which is why we don't do it. They get a ThinkPad that I can manage from top to bottom.

Your company is doing it wrong. As a SVP you should really know better than dishing out vanity products to people who's business requirement is to run Windows.

I literally chuckled at this comment:



Did you write that without making your own toes curl?

Did you write all that hoping to make a fool of yourself? He already said that he got the Macbook for himself, it was his own choice, he wasn't "dishing out" MacBooks for the rest of his company. Learn to read. ThinkPads are ugly as sin.

Who the hell are you to declare the Macbook a mere "vanity" product, and what's wrong with desiring a stylish product with function to go along with it. Multiple people have commented that they are able to run Windows on the Macbook just fine, accept you are wrong.
 
Learn to read.

I love it when people say that. I was replying to his comment "You just don't understand the needs of high-end Windows users in a corporate environment" and explained what I do.

They are a vanity product in business. They are usually used by senior Execs who simply haven't a clue and want a MacBook as some sort of status symbol. I've seen it all & dealt with all the problems you come to expect from Execs who want a Mac to behave exactly like the PC's they've been using for the last 20+ years. Don't get me wrong, you *can* use a Mac to run Windows pretty well, but it just doesn't make any sense to do that. Again, I did *not* say you cannot run Windows on a Mac, I do it myself via VMware Fusion. So, err, perhaps learn to read?

In the rest of your rant you say who am I to say they are a vanity product, then you attack ThinkPad's for being ugly. Isn't that opposing your views on me as you claim I did on him?
 
I love it when people say that. I was replying to his comment "You just don't understand the needs of high-end Windows users in a corporate environment" and explained what I do.

They are a vanity product in business. They are usually used by senior Execs who simply haven't a clue and want a MacBook as some sort of status symbol. I've seen it all & dealt with all the problems you come to expect from Execs who want a Mac to behave exactly like the PC's they've been using for the last 20+ years. Don't get me wrong, you *can* use a Mac to run Windows pretty well, but it just doesn't make any sense to do that. Again, I did *not* say you cannot run Windows on a Mac, I do it myself via VMware Fusion. So, err, perhaps learn to read?

In the rest of your rant you say who am I to say they are a vanity product, then you attack ThinkPad's for being ugly. Isn't that opposing your views on me as you claim I did on him?

ThinkPads are ugly, that's my subjective opinion which can't be disproved as it's subjective. Whether MacBooks are only "vanity products" can be and has been disproven however as clearly many people are using them for work purposes.

Read back what you said, you accused him of "dishing out vanity products" to his company, nowhere did he say he was doing this, he bought it for himself. So yes, you learn to read.
 
YES!

You and I are on the same page. Are you running Windows and Bootcamp? If you can let me know if it's a suitable VAIO replacement I'd be forever in your debt.

BJ

Sorry, I won't run windows with bootcamp right now. I'll see it later because it's not my priority, and most of the apps I use to develop, or not can be done on all the platforms. So I bought Parallels to run windows, and use it when I need to use Visual Studio. I didn't had time to install the windows apps, but windows run smoothly in the VM :) .
Definitely, I don't regret to use now this MacBook, happy to don't hear the fan .. or have strange things with windows because of the Sony's drivers.
 
Hey guys, I actually just wrote a blog post about my experiences running Windows 10 on my MacBook. Everyone in this thread should be pleased to know that performance is generally fantastic. I don't want to self-promote too hard, but there are some helpful observations for those curious.

http://www.alexvking.com/12_inch_macbook_and_windows_10.html

Seems like you need the $80 dongle to install into bootcamp? Did you install this directly from the internal SSD or hook up a CD Drive?
 
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