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In my opinion not worth adding cost and weight for that luxury. And the casual user is just using that laptop a few hours per day, right? So they probably don't have to charge more often than every couple of days even if the laptop just has 10 hour life.
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But it wouldn't add any cost or weight - if they used the same battery as the 2015 model. Is a notebook never thin or light enough?
 
Brutal. Years waiting.......for this.


No reason to rehash all the reasons why, you guys know them all.

Blame Intel not Apple. Intel is hitting Moores law hard and their chips in this class have not improved in the leaps and bounds that people expect. We are reaching the limit of what is possible with silicon especially in mobile chips that have to carry all the x86 legacy.

I've had a Skylake Lenovo i7 work laptop since the start of the year and in real-world usuage its no faster than my 2015 MacBook Air with its broadwell i5.

Learn to appreciate what you have and stop screaming on forums that your next hit isn't giving you high you want.
 
I've concluded: Under Jobs we received explanations for design choices. Currently: No word about leaving MagSafe behind, no logic for the non-industry-standard audio output on iPhone 7, not a word about the MBP's headphone jack (probably too scared to mention), ...

Jobs' explanations were also fabulous: "The problem with them is really sort of in the bottom 40 there." talking about plastic keyboards on 'smart' phones during iPhone's introduction.

Explanations we now get are 'courage' or Ive's 'making it thinner, lighter and more powerful' that's conflicting with adding a touch screen for example (MR post today).

Change triggers natural resistance and needs reasons to be accepted. Apple doesn't explain=sell their changes/choices any longer.

It's almost like after Jesus died... during his reign you got the message and wisdom from the source and it was peace, love and moving forward (they had the *best* "product)... then Jesus died and the disciples ran with the message, but without the Mojo, vision and insight and over time you ended up with a diluted, crappy product... but the folks keep buying it because they're blinded by faith.

Replace Jesus with Jobs
 
The Mac isn't the digital hub anymore, so plugging in an iPhone isn't as common. And you don't need a new dongle when there are USB-C to Lightning cables. I found one on Amazon for $10.

I don't think it is a gimmick. We'll see, but it has the potential to be useful. It might be the first step toward a completely contextual keyboard (that's a few years out, but I can see where Apple may be heading with this).

I'm not saying there isn't any inconvenience. Heck, I bought more than my share of adapters when I switched to the 12" MacBook last year. But the new Pros look very interesting and I may check it out.

Well I have the 12" MacBook also, and have pre-ordered the 15" rMBP . Only way to evaluate it Is to try it. Figure by the time they are delivered they will qualify for xmas return period
 
I've concluded: Under Jobs we received explanations for design choices. Currently: No word about leaving MagSafe behind, no logic for the non-industry-standard audio output on iPhone 7, not a word about the MBP's headphone jack (probably too scared to mention), ...

Jobs' explanations were also fabulous: "The problem with them is really sort of in the bottom 40 there." talking about plastic keyboards on 'smart' phones during iPhone's introduction.

Explanations we now get are 'courage' or Ive's 'making it thinner, lighter and more powerful' that's conflicting with adding a touch screen for example (MR post today).

Change triggers natural resistance and needs reasons to be accepted. Apple doesn't explain=sell their changes/choices any longer.
They believe they are Apple and as such they don't need to explain themselves any more. They are the great and powerful…
 
Have you actually used it yet?

I don't see how anyone would feel that tactile feedback of the function keys is actually needed as eople don't often type using the F1 - F12 keys. The fully adaptable soft keys can provide much more functionality than the old style key switches, and this new screen can do so much more.

Honestly I hope they can provide a software update allowing for users to move the standard Dock from the main screen, and down to this control strip.

At the end of the day, You can still toggle in the F1-12 keys if you need them, but they won't have a tactile 'switch' feel.

Of course i could not have used one.

I have used PC laptops with digital function keys and hated it, my opinion is based on using a laptop with non switch based function keys. For someone who touch types .... I see no use case for my needs.

I also love mechanical keyboards and much much prefer my 2012 rMBP KB to my 12" MacBook . If the new MacBook Pro kb is anything like the MacBook kb, that's also a major step backwards.

I will though try one , but I have my reservations , and for the new uk price is better be a big upgrade.
 
Remember that this is only the base model. The Touch Bar models have the 28W processor and should show bigger performance gain.

I'd say you gain more than you lose on the Touch Bar model. I'm a bit surprised Apple just didn't drop the 2015 model and price the new base at $1299, but then they'd likely have felt forced to drop the price of the 12" MacBook, which I'm guessing is selling well enough.

With the new 13" model you get a machine that is lighter and more portable, has a more advanced I/O, and brighter, wider gamut display than the 2015 model. The $1499 also comes with 256GB vs 128GB in the outgoing base model. The downside is a lot of people will need or want to spend another $20-80 on adapters. But those are one-time costs.

But Apple won't release higher end machines. We know that because they are only interested in the thin little aluminum bodies that can get blown off the picnic table by a strong breeze.
Why not share with us what the new MacBooks can't do for your work? And tell us why the Kaby Lake delay is Apple's doing as well...
 
So let's see, my 4 year old Mac Mini is nearly twice as fast. And this "Pro" machine is no faster than a 6.5 year old iMac? It's a whopping 25% faster than my 4.5 year old 1.8Ghz Air. I'm not going to spend $1500 to get a barely usable, obsolete laptop that at best is less than half the speed of my 5K iMac that is 2 years old! Maybe I should buy a refurb newer Air while they still sell laptops with SD card slots. I can't imagine buying a laptop without one.

Just the processor. Says nothing about the I/O, which is much faster.
 
I was watching a Computer World Facebook Live discussion about this revision. Both the iPhone 7 and the 2016 MacBook Pro are post Steve Jobs devices. You are looking at the first devices Steve Jobs never got the chance to influence. I am happy to have jumped in last year with the Early 2015 13 in MacBook Pro. Its just the right pricing (still expensive), right set of ports and its super fast. If you really want to get the best value for money, you will have to move up to the Touch Bar included 13 inch. Its such a shame Apple is charging an even "extra" premium for it. To be honest, I would just purchase last years model, either new or refurb or wait for Kabylake models next year or just hold out until Icelake or Tigerlake.
 
If you like an outdated, fatter, slower laptop with a worse screen and worse speakers.
Are you one of those gullible people who get brainwashed easily into thinking that just because a newer version came out your version became outdated? This laptop does everything I want perfectly... I could not be more happier.
 
What's the difference between Iris 6100 (2015 13" mbp) and the new iris pro 540? is it worth the upgrade?
 
Correct me if I'm wrong, but my 1st-gen 2012 15" Retina MBP is listed as ~10000 on geekbench... does this mean a 13" MBP even WITH the touch bar is going to be slower?
 
Everyone stop complaining and let apple slowly die...im shorting their shares! They are clearly doing things badly
 
a) It is equally clearly a slightly downgraded MBP. Do you really think they should sell two laptops that have the same case design (including internal layout) as two different product lines simply because they have two different processor types and with one missing the Touch Bar? Compare this product with the MBA it replaces (or the 12" MacBook) and it is much, much closer to the current MBP than to either of other two.

If this was an Air they could've selected a weaker processor and in consequence reduce the battery a bit, making it lighter and cheaper. Then they could discontinue the old air, and then market an "All Retina" lineup.

Releasing these two macbook pros that are slightly different muddles the marketing, keeping the old laptops tarnishes their reputation for latest technology. I'm makes people weary of buying an outdated mac.
 
Explanations we now get are 'courage' or Ive's 'making it thinner, lighter and more powerful'

And they say this every. Freeking. Time. At some point it is thin and light enough and making it thinner and lighter just makes it flimsy and bereft of function because you removed everything.
 
Of course i could not have used one.

I have used PC laptops with digital function keys and hated it, my opinion is based on using a laptop with non switch based function keys. For someone who touch types .... I see no use case for my needs.
Again, your opinion is based on something you haven't even tried.

I have a laptop with digital function keys for work. Hate the implementation, and the often dim-whitted or lack of response from it. That said, I am also keeping my mind open that this is completely different. In the MBP case, it is a multitouch display strip with adaptive touch controls, I don't expect it to be anything like the static control strip on my work laptop.

I also love mechanical keyboards and much much prefer my 2012 rMBP KB to my 12" MacBook . If the new MacBook Pro kb is anything like the MacBook kb, that's also a major step backwards.

I will though try one , but I have my reservations , and for the new uk price is better be a big upgrade.

I too dislike the MacBook keyboard and share your reservations on it. I hope the next generation of this type of keyboard has a better feel, but am not going to pass judgement on it until I try it.
 
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Correct me if I'm wrong, but my 1st-gen 2012 15" Retina MBP is listed as ~10000 on geekbench... does this mean a 13" MBP even WITH the touch bar is going to be slower?

Depends on the processor and cores.
I am guessing you have an i7
The 13inch i5 will be slower, but the higher end i7 will most probably give better results
 
Correct me if I'm wrong, but my 1st-gen 2012 15" Retina MBP is listed as ~10000 on geekbench... does this mean a 13" MBP even WITH the touch bar is going to be slower?

Depends on the processor and cores.
I am guessing you have an i7
The 13inch i5 will be slower, but the higher end i7 will most probably give better results

Also, don't put too much weight on GB scores. Real world work is a lot different than maxing out processors to test speed. There are other factors to a fast system, and it is quite possible that all of your apps aren't 100% optimized to take full advantage of either system anyway.

I would put more weight on browser tests, full system tests, and actionable software tests. Will be neat to see full evaluations from places like Anandtech and the likes, after the test embargo is over.
 
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Also, don't put too much weight on GB scores. Real world work is a lot different than maxing out processors to test speed. There are other factors to a fast system, and it is quite possible that all of your apps aren't 100% optimized to take full advantage of either system anyway.

I would put more weight on browser tests, full system tests, and actionable software tests. Will be neat to see full evaluations from places like Anandtech and the likes, after the test embargo is over.

There is a test embargo ? details ?
 
Actually both. If you're ok with consistently getting a thinner product that loses ports every 4 years, that's your prerogative. I've done the waiting and personally, I'm tired of it. The competition is excelling more this time around than before, and apple remains stuck in their ways that thinner and lighter is always best. Why can't we get more consistent refreshes? You'd think the most valuable company in the world would be capable of doing that even if that is not "their way"
Apple is very consistent in its updates as I have just shown. Other computer makers have equally thin laptops and also have dropped many ports over the years just not as fast as Apple. Your problem is that (a) Apple doesn't offer a broad range of laptop models (even though they are making their offering a bit broader by keeping last year's models around) and (b) the choices they offer don't match your preferred combination of battery size and ports (and possibly CPU and GPU as well).

But does this make Apple bad? I don't think so. And 10-h battery life is nothing to sneeze at, as is the CPU power available either in 28-W TDP 13" MBPs or in particular in the quad-core 45-W TDP 15" MBPs which use the highest performing mobile CPUs. The SSDs are absolutely cutting edge. Even the GPU in the 15" MBP seems to be pretty good (I know less about GPUs and thus only say 'seems'). The biggest complaint in regard to performance might be the GPU but that has been a traditional complaint against Apple, nothing much has changed there.
 
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Far better display,
better form factor,
better trackpad,
better keyboard,
better sound,
more efficient cpu runs cooler and quiet,
better beautiful design and color.

This machine is a great improvement.
15 inch for me... When I can go to the store and pick one up :)
 
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