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This would explain the relatively poor showing in Geekbench 5 compute test. If the M1 Max is throttled to about the equivalent of a 24 core GPU instead of 32 then the benchmark makes sense.
Geekbench is more of a short burst test, so I'd expect thermals wouldn't play a leading role in the difference in per-core speeds for single-core vs. multi-core operation.
 
I was thinking that it was just component costs (larger screen, larger battery) that contributed to the increased Applecare+ price for the 16" over the 14", or that Apple's expectation is that the 16" systems will on average be configured higher than the 14" and therefore need a higher Applecare+ cost, but I guess baked into that Applecare+ cost could also be an expectation that the 16" will be pushed a bit harder and therefore may potentially experience more heat-related failures (the fan will move the heat away, but the chips will still likely get hotter)?
 
So, it's not laptop-safe on battery and you have to run it on table-top and plugged in contrary to their presentation?
My rMBP 2012 is not laptop-safe from the very first boot, let's see if this ones can run in laptops for common task as intensive workloads seems logic and fair enough to need to rest in table-tops.
 
I am very grateful Apple is adding a mode like this. With the older 15 inch MacBook Pros, I really missed it when Apple dropped the ability to switch between integrated and discrete graphics (you could hack it back in to some extent).

Sometimes you want to engage a mode that gives you a cooler, quieter and more power-efficient laptop. Sometimes you want everything the laptop can offer.

Users are also usually better at figuring out when that moment than MacOS is.
 
I'm betting Apple defaults to running these cool and quiet, as they tended to before the whole 2016 thinning. Maybe this is like a go ham mode, and we'll see even more impressive figures than we have. With the big cores still at 3.2GHz, it seems they haven't budged past a certain efficiency point compared to M1, but this mode may let it go a bit more wild.

" In multi-core performance, the M1 Max is up to 2x faster than M1."

Ok, why has every news site decided 11,500 is 2x 7600 from the M1? That's closer to 50%. Double would be a score of 15200. It's like the first site said so and the rest never checked the math lol
"Jim, I'm a writer, not a mathamatician!"
 
These reviews can't come soon enough. If a 16" performs more than 15% better than a 14" with the same specs then i'm cancelling my order.
 
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These reviews can't come soon enough. If a 16" performs more than 15% better than a 14" with the same specs then i'm cancelling my order.
If 15% is more important then a smaller laptop you should probably cancel your order now ?
 
The 16 inch has a 100 Mwh battery, while the 14" has a 70 Mwh one.
I think you mean 100Wh... 100Mwh is what 10 average US homes use in a year.... or one 16" Intel MBP running Chrome.

Here's what a 100MWh battery looks like...

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That makes sense - the M1 Max 16" is a little heavier than the Pro, while the M1 Max 14" is the same weight as the M1 Pro 14". This probably means the 16" with the Max has a beefier thermal system.

We just have to wait and see what the differences are. I'm still sticking with the 14" unless this is a dramatic, dramatic difference which I doubt it is. 4.7 lbs vs. 3.5 lbs is a huge difference. Somethings have to give - and in this case, it's battery life and maybe a little bit of performance.
ye battery on the 14 is very disappointing ..isnt it ?
 
I’m suprised people really thought the 14” MBP would perform the same as the 16” MBP.

The 14” is a 13” MBP with smaller bezels. And a 13” MBP has inferior thermals than the 16” MBP historically (the 13” MBP couldn’t even handle a discrete GPU).

The difference in power delivery was also a giveaway (the 16” can do 140W of charging).
 
ye battery on the 14 is very disappointing ..isnt it ?

Disappointing is relative. If it does indeed give 11 hours of accurate basic use, I don't find that disappointing at all. I find that actually quite good for what it is. But compared to other MacBooks? Yeah, of course it's less - it's very simple. Smaller laptop + same amazing components = smaller battery.
 
I honestly think that the heat the new ARM SOC apple has designed has a LOWER heat ceiling (Meaning it cant get too hot. Think max temp 85-90 degrees for example) or it will damage the CPU/GPU/SOC since its a new design and the first of its kind (ARM) for Pro-consumers.

Because things don't quite add up..... It pushes MORE air for COOLING but.... its also COOLER and uses LESS WATTS???

Im thinking the TDP on these m1 Pro/Max are lower than AMD and Intel. Their chips can sustain up to 100 degrees (which isnt good but they "can handle it").

So apple designed the airflow for better cooling because they cannot allow their custom first of its kind SOC's to overheat (for their design NOT actual high hot temps like Intel and AMD).

But only time will tell.... And I'm not going to pay a lot of money to be that guinea pig...
They improved the airflow so the fans could get the same cooling at lower fan speed to reduce noise. Believe it or not but some people like having a quiet laptop on their laps that doesn’t burn them. This should be the standard way it operates. People who like a noisy hot experience should have to opt into it.
 
So all those comparison graphs they showed at the keynote... was that running at High Power Mode?
I believe those graphs were showcasing the chips. I don’t think they said anything about which MBP model they were in. So, I would assume the graphs represent the best the chips can do in the MBP with the most capable cooling system.
 
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They improved the airflow so the fans could get the same cooling at lower fan speed to reduce noise. Believe it or not but some people like having a quiet laptop on their laps that doesn’t burn them. This should be the standard way it operates. People who like a noisy hot experience should have to opt into it.
then why is "high power mode" on the 16" Max model only?
 
For this so called "high power mode", I think in best case (from perspective of 16 model), the high power mode gives the 24 core version about the same performance as the 32 core 14. This is based on the price point being roughly the same for 16-24 versus 14-32 cores. However, some of that premium goes to the different form factor so realistically, the high power mode is probably more like 28-30 cores running on the 16 gives equal performance to 32 cores on the 14.

Alternatively, "high power mode" could just mean that 16 runs full speed in the worst case scenario of 100% load and the battery fast charging simultaneously whereas 14 will not be able to charge at 100% load or can only fast charge at 80% load. This could be the case if one were to interpret "power" as electrical versus performance.
 
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