Unless I see a picture if the world older than 160 or so years, we should not use that as fact!! Pictures or the world is 160 years old !!
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New 2014 Mac Mini Has Soldered RAM, Not User Replaceable
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Lets face it....2-core machine with 8G of Ram is still good machine for coding, web and mobile development. My iOS applications compile and build in Xcode very fast. When writing web code...it is so basic that 2010 machine can do it without a sweat. When i run pixelmator (mind you, it is basic) it gives me no problem (HD4000 graphics).
My friend runs professional design company (basically...he uses adobe products like photoshop, indesign, etc...) all day long on his 2-core i5 with 16G of RAM and is doing just fine.
Sure 4 core is good, but don't make it out like 2 core is useless machine. It is still professional machine....just not for 3D rendering and huge vide editing and rendering.
My Macbook air 2012 with dual core i5 and 8G of RAM is still going strong and is very fast. No need to upgrade for at least 2 years. But that is based on my needs (mobile and web development with light photo editing).
My friend runs professional design company (basically...he uses adobe products like photoshop, indesign, etc...) all day long on his 2-core i5 with 16G of RAM and is doing just fine.
Sure 4 core is good, but don't make it out like 2 core is useless machine. It is still professional machine....just not for 3D rendering and huge vide editing and rendering.
My Macbook air 2012 with dual core i5 and 8G of RAM is still going strong and is very fast. No need to upgrade for at least 2 years. But that is based on my needs (mobile and web development with light photo editing).
He opened it, and he is a reputable source. His firm buys hundreds of Minis for server hosting. That's why he was quoted.
Let's be honesthasn't released anything worth a damn in years. And yes, I do own a few of their products.
Couldn't disagree with you more, but exaggeration and hyperbole are great tactics people like to employ around here. Whether they realise it or not (and I give them enough credit to believe they indeed *do* know what they're doing), these tactics do nothing to promote actual and proper discussion. If we're going to be honest, let's at least be honest about that.
Why don't people understand that being negative, that promoting unconstructive criticism does anything but provoke defensive reactions in others?
Nothing "worth a damn" in recent years? Well, I think you've declared your position quite clearly, and it has nothing whatsoever to do with whether you own Apple products or not, thanks for proving my point.
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It's a lot for many. Cash doesn't grow on trees in my house.
Your glass is definitey half full
Hopefully someone figures out a way to upgrade these $499 Minis so in the coming years they don't end up in the landfill when they inevitably start chugging with only 4GB of RAM.
So much for Apple and their Green sensibilities.
So much for Apple and their Green sensibilities.
There's nothing wrong with "thinner, lighter, faster". At the end of the day people are not gonna fork out money to buy something that's slower than last gen models. It's not that much different from Android and Windows doing "more cores/ RAM/ battery and bigger" every year, except Apple's devices never have problem being slow at least within the first 2 years of life.
And yes I own numerous Apple's devices.
And no I don't think they're the big brother in any sense. On the contrary, they've been targeted by the media, social media, internet trolls for everything they do, good or bad. Kinda a double standard.
It is ashamed if this is the case. Though good news for the older mac mini market. I would rather have the old one that I can upgrade myself than the new one.
I dont care aboout CPU - thas macbook air CPU in new mini is ok for ordinary user, I dont care abou tRAM (4gigs are manageable with ssd) but I do care for HDD - apple is asking 250 bucks more for SSD based fussion disk - sorry but with 4gigs RAM any swapping will kill that machine.. all i need to know, if i can add my own ssd to base config or not, if not, new mini is not for me and I will have to buy old one with slower wifi and really bad HD4000...
Hey, c'mon...at least read about the new Mac Mini's!
From the Design page of the new Mac Mini:
"Environmentally friendly.
Mac mini is made from highly recyclable aluminum, and with a built-in power supply, theres no plastic housing. Its also free of many harmful toxins commonly present in the desktop computer manufacturing process. Mac mini contains no lead, brominated flame retardants (BFRs), or polyvinyl chloride (PVC). Even its package is designed to be mini, so its as efficient as possible to ship."
So apparently, when it IS thrown into the landfill, it won't harm anything. Earth-to-earth, dust-to-dust.
The 'upgrades' to the Mini are disappointing, but we really need confirmation about the soldered RAM. I've still got hopes for it being user-upgradeable, simply because of the descriptions in the BTO section.
The first picture below is from the MacBook Air, clearly stating that the RAM is not upgradable, and the second is from the Mini, which does not contain the same warning.
The first picture below is from the MacBook Air, clearly stating that the RAM is not upgradable, and the second is from the Mini, which does not contain the same warning.
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The problem isn't that the new Mac Mini isn't a perfectly capable machine for basic tasks. It's that the selling point becomes almost exclusively the form factor. For the money you can buy a perfectly capable laptop or NUC with similar if not better specs.
It's issues like this where Apple sometimes struggle. Apple in the iOS world have such a tight grip on the hardware and software that everything works extremely well for the end user in the vast, vast majority of cases, and whilst Android is very good and perfectly capable, it's just not quite there. In this instance, Apple is asking you to buy something that is brand new, and no better than the alternatives when you rationalise the decision.
People tolerate Apple's missteps when it comes to iOS because iOS meets users needs and wants in a way that nothing else currently does, and that's where the premium lies. When it comes to the Mac Mini, the alternatives are there, waiting and potentially cheaper. Misstep there and people can very easily jump ship.
There is no place on MacRumors for this type of cogent and insightful analysis!!!
As the recent spate of groundless front page bending "articles" and threads demonstrate, even the owners and editors of this site are now just in it for the hate-propelled ad clicks.
Keep your intelligent and rational comments to yourself!!!!!
Well, personally I dont agree with the way Apple is starting to conduct its business nowadays. It is becoming very dictatorial.
The products this year are average and frankly quite disappointing.
If Apple decide to use soldered RAM in their Minis then that is their choice (although unfair and unjustified by anything but the need to increase profits) and I can live with that. But what irritates me is the fact that they charge an arm and a leg for RAM upgrades.
On the other hand the most advanced Western societies nowadays (US, UK, etc) seem to have forgotten that they have the power to dictate what Apple does or does not. And that is simply by buying a product or not.
I have a MBP Retina with 8Gb of RAM and it is very fast and handles pretty much anything I throw at it. I also have a 2009 Mini with 4Gb of RAM which also handles everything I throw at it. So I'm a bit puzzled as to why people need 16Gb of RAM in a mini?
Surely if you work regularly with intensive and memory hungry software then you would buy a Mac Pro?
The products this year are average and frankly quite disappointing.
If Apple decide to use soldered RAM in their Minis then that is their choice (although unfair and unjustified by anything but the need to increase profits) and I can live with that. But what irritates me is the fact that they charge an arm and a leg for RAM upgrades.
On the other hand the most advanced Western societies nowadays (US, UK, etc) seem to have forgotten that they have the power to dictate what Apple does or does not. And that is simply by buying a product or not.
I have a MBP Retina with 8Gb of RAM and it is very fast and handles pretty much anything I throw at it. I also have a 2009 Mini with 4Gb of RAM which also handles everything I throw at it. So I'm a bit puzzled as to why people need 16Gb of RAM in a mini?
Surely if you work regularly with intensive and memory hungry software then you would buy a Mac Pro?
Apple thrives on hardware sales. A user who bought 4GB and finds his machine slow in 2/3 years will then have no choice but to fork out $x00 to Apple for an upgrade versus $60 to some generic RAM vendor on Newegg. Also, Apple is and considers itself as the biggest power player in the technology industry. They own the balance of power, not consumers who will rush out and buy whatever.
You can take it as you will. I'll wait for an actual reputable source. Either way, "Not user accessable" is still ambiguous. Does he mean that it's soldered in or that it's just very difficult to access like certain iMacs I mentioned previously.
I don't think $300 on a $499 machine is a "bit more". We aren't talking about $25 here...
So now Apple is no different than Android and Microsoft?
You're so busy defending Apple you can't see the forest for the trees.
While there is nothing wrong with small, incremental updates to products, it hardly constitutes a promised pipeline of products by the end of the year better than anything in the last 25 years.
If you're happy with looking forward to only products that are thinner, faster, smaller and sealed shut with a shorter life span, then you are exactly the customer Apple is targeting.
