Am wondering if anyone else finds this weird? I ordered TWO iPad Pro 12.9 versions cellular and there's a 1-2 week wait and NONE available in L.A. for in store pick up?!
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Which average users? Do you get bored with a hammer? Because all these are tools, pick the tool you want to use and gen argue the veracity online.
Let me be specific, the users at Westfield Apple Store , on the 20th march at 17:00, I assume they were average folks . Though people say Londoners are not average.
Let me ask you this, why update a 6S hammer to a 7 hammer, almost the same hammer
I try to, believe me, but it's hard when it seems that every new thread these days are flooded with hundreds of similar cries. Makes the reading experience here really frustrating and tiresome.
I feel the same way about the Apple-can-do-no-wrong crowd, but I try hard to keep perspective and realize new people are always joining the discussion.
Generational-, cultural-, historic- gaps exist between forum members and depending on when and with what Apple "tool" anyone joined here, your viewpoint of Apple differs. I started with an Apple II in 1983.
Have a read sometime of discussions prior to about 2010 and maybe you could understand where some of us long-time loyalist fans come from. Granted, there are whiners & complainer trolls that will pound Apple no matter what, I'm not in that camp. I call BS when Apple pretends to improve a product and justifies to increase prices simply by changing a colour, repackaging old tech and forcing users in a direction that is not in their best interest. All to increase AAPL's bottomline in absence of new successful product lines or even competing in old ones, such as Macs.
I do enjoy their eco-system and by and large flawless integration between all Apple devices, but that doesn't mean there aren't cracks in the wall and the weeds are growing in the previously more manicured garden. There's still a lot to like about Apple and so far I see no one better to replace TC. He may be distracted with his increasingly political agenda, but he also defends our right to privacy pretty well. At the same time, he's shaping the product spectrum to satisfy more the shareholders than end-users. This can only go on for so long and that's what I'm afraid of.
anyhow, sorry for the tl;dr but I thought I'd clarify my position as I find myself often at odds with your gushing adoration of Apple here.
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And this, ladies and gentlemen, is a sterling example of the sort of response that I will always welcome here. Not those inane and irritating "Apple is doomed" or "Fire Tim Cook" posts which probably took as little time to craft as it did to post, but deep, well-thought out replies.
Too bad that Macrumours is like 90% of the former. We really could do more with fewer, more well-crafted responses.
The problem is that some very talkative people here complain again and again that Apple do not care (anymore) to meet their specific needs. They look like they miss the big picture because they are too self centered.
I am not interesed at all in this iPad, but I can understand the choices Apple makes and why they think it will serve the ecosystem. And IMHO, what serves the ecosystem is good for all iPad enthusiasts. That is why I welcome the iPad release.
The iPad is an answer to :
- the education market, with lower price and simpler to repair device. If Apple try to be serious with school, it can leed to multi user, fleet management tools and creativity tools on the app store. And it will fasten and strengthen the change from mouse and keyboard to touch.
- the huge mass of light user who own an old device. The problem is that these old devices, with old, weak hardware and old software weight a lot on the ecosystem because they represent a large portion of iPad in use and can not be excluded when developers has to design an app that covers enough of the iPad fleet. Here we have retina screen, 64bits SoC and 2GB of ram at 329$, I think it should help modernize the iPad fleet.
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Well, it's a forum and people talk and not always agree.
This "new" iPad is an attempt to stem the declining sales of iPads in general by lowering the price, but it's also removing features, most prominently: The laminated screen, the lighter/thinner body, the anti-reflective coating. Is that worth the $70 reduction in price. Not IMHO.
Easier to repair? What? Check the pros over at ifixit.com and see their repairability score between the iPad Air 1 and 2, both are 2/10 and any repair is labelled as difficult. This new iPad is basically the body of the Air 1 with an A9 chip and better camera.
What huge mass of light users with old devices?
Many have upgraded in the past and paid a lot more than the new teaser price of $329.
No one with any iPad Air needs to "upgrade".
Also, the retina screen has been around since 2012's iPad 3 and no light user browsing the internet or reading books and emails needs to spend more $$ just because developers think they should still support it.
How exactly is old hardware weighing down the ecosystem ?
Old devices may not need to run the latest iOS or newest apps, but there's no legit reason to turn-off existing functionality for happy users of those devices or to disconnect them from Apple's cloud.
Apple could have just as well taken the iPad Air 2 and upgraded the A8X to a A9X without the additional "Pro" features, lowered the price and be done with it. They did it with the iPhone 5S -> SE.
But the Air2 satisfied too many users already and cannibilized sales of the iPad Pro that is priced much higher. So they removed the Air2, reverted back to the heaver Air 1 case, recycled the A9 processor from the iPhone line and called it "iPad". Genius!
There are various "ascents" and "pinnacles", this is what I was thinking.
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Yes, easier to repair. Synthetic mark and conclusion usually don't tell the whole story. The iPad Air 2 glued on glass screen obviously complicate the repair.
About old hardware usage, the data I see is http://iphone.appleinsider.com/arti...del-early-adoption-rates-for-ipads-on-decline
It shows that in october 2015,
- non Retina = iPad + iPad 2 + iPad mini = 41%
- 32 bits SoC = 41% + iPad 3 + iPad 4 = 64%
- less than 2GB of ram = 64% + iPad Air + iPad mini 2 + iPad mini 3 = 91%
You don't see the weight it have on the ecosystem?
As an example, if 91% of the devices in use don't support split screen, then no need to rush to support the functionality...
And if Apple plan to make iOS 64bits only, they need to propose a substitute to 32bits devices in use.
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Well that's a bit different than making a general statement about all apple stores and all customers. Thank you.Let me be specific, the users at Westfield Apple Store , on the 20th march at 17:00, I assume they were average folks . Though people say Londoners are not average.
Let me ask you this, why update a 6S hammer to a 7 hammer, almost the same hammer
I don't replace a hammer because I'm bored with it. I replace one because another one is better in some way, does a better job for what I need etc. The same with my phone and computing gear.
TC, killing of the best computer company of its kind, has betrayed his corporate founder and millions of users who paid premium money for their equipment over the last decades - to see it neglected instead of developed.
TC has misused their trust, investments and undermined continuity.
He has to be replaced as Apple Computer division CEO (which has to be outsourced instead of suffocated)
As Apple/iDevices CEO he also largely ruined the innovative character but pumped up the business astronomically...so he will probably be perpetually heralded for that.
The guy is loaded and shows intellectual fatigue, like the rest of the Board.
JI holds a new generation of talented designers hostage, withholding new designs for years.
He is an absolute borderline ego that should be removed as soon as possible.
Let them go (and spend their millions in other areas where can exploit their ego's like basketball teams, such as Ballmer)
Leave Apple to the guys with high-tech guts and profile (Greg Frederighi and Ber Serlet) who have vision and direction. TC has neither. And JI is intellectually dead. And PS a TouchBar-addict (...)
Sad, but inevitable conclusions...
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So if he runs into a newer app that he can't run, then he has a reason to upgrade. If he's unable to run the latest OS version, is iPad is hardly "new".