You guys are extremely too over the top with that argument. Apple has a gun to your head? Then in no way they are FORCING you to get 64GB. I get by with 16GB just fine, thanks.
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You guys are extremely too over the top with that argument. Apple has a gun to your head? Then in no way they are FORCING you to get 64GB. I get by with 16GB just fine, thanks.
So, with much the same internals save for the chip that allows me to make phone calls, why does the iPod cost $200 and the phone $700 or $750? That's one expensive cellular chip.
And I actually liked the lanyard. It was easy to clip it to myself while on a plane so it didn't go missing when it was time to join the cattle call to get off the plane. MOO!!!
You should compare it to the out of contract price of the 5c which is $450, which also includes GPS, wireless, etc.
What a great upgrade (A8 processor, 1GB ram) and price for 16 and 32GB versions. It's a great device for the kids (games, e-mail, internet, facetime, iMessage, skype, apps, video, music).
I really love the 4inch size on my iPhone 5s. I hope they will now also launch a 6s with 4inch later this year.
The lack of GPS and TouchID is compensated by the price.
I really love the 4inch size on my iPhone 5s. I hope they will now also launch a 6s with 4inch later this year.
The lack of GPS and TouchID is compensated by the price.
Yosemite runs on 2007 hardware and newer. Thats 8 years. Not long enough for you. Why on earth would the majority people want to install on anything older than that? Mac or PC? If you want to run windows 10 on a 10 year old PC, have fun. If everything ran perfectly on really old hardware there would NEVER EVER be any advancements in computing.
The real reason Apple makes the world such a "horrible" place for not supporting ancient 10 year old hardware is they might actually want users to have a decent experience. They aren't catering to the those who want to run the newest on the oldest hardware.
And please.....now try to school me on how much better old android phones are.
R&D, I imagine. The ipod uses an A8 processor which should be fairly cheap for Apple for mass-produce at this juncture, but I imagine designing it for the iPhone 6 cost a lot at the time. The iPhone also has better build quality while the iPod basically recycles the same old form factor.
These obviously won't triple the cost of a phone, but it seems disingenuous to claim that the only difference between an iPhone and an iPod is the ability to make calls.
And if you checked iOS the amount of users running a 3 year old OS (iOS 5) its 1.4%. As of July 10th.
https://david-smith.org/iosversionstats/
LOL, you missed it. I’m not too up on Android phones and hence made no comment on it. There is a significant difference between not supporting something and actively preventing it. actively prevent it.
Experience is in the eye of the beholder BTW, and seriously, you bought that, ‘might actually want users to have a decent experience’? No sir, it’s about making money first and having happy-ish users second.
They make a product and with the OS stop supporting it a lot earlier than that. Go ahead and try and buy 10.9 would ya. No? Oh. Wonder why.
Users are everybody from individuals to enterprise.
This is it, if you want to - meaning I have the choice. There is someone on this board with a sig that sums it up.
Apple should make more use of the option key and less of the command key.
I guarantee you 10.10.4 runs absolutely fine on a gen 1 Mac Pro with minimal, (and I really do mean minimal), mods. Oh it runs El Capitan too.
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Yeah its not, What processor does it have? How much Ram? Network chip? Can it use a 5GHZ connection? Battery Life with heavy processing and memory usage? Whats the storage space? Is it capable of handling local databases?
Can it Handle syncing thousands of items or viewing?
Yeah have fun trying to sync over 7,000 products/items on to that MP3 player and saving it to its local database.
There are cut down versions of android lol, that MP3 player isn't going to have full features like a Samsung S5 or whatever is the standard android device.
As what you said about calling an iPod just an MP3 player, thats what you initially implied.
You didn't mention ANYTHING else. Hard to believe you were thinking it was anything else after reading that statement
Don't forget the fingerprint sensor and the larger screen.
Almost every adult wants a phone (ok maybe adults below a certain age) and a vast majority of them want a smartphone. An iPhone isn't competing with non-consumption, it is competing with other smartphones. And once you are invested in iOS, you might want an iPhone, meaning the iPhone is only competing with itself (meaning previous versions, in the form of Apple selling previous models, used phones or the iPhone you already have). Since the prices of previous versions are just $100 or $200 below the current model, used prices follow that pricing range. As long as Apple can convince users that a new model is worth upgrading, they can charge quite a lot.
Hiding the price of the phone in monthly charges and often asking people to pay same the monthly charges regardless of whether they collect a subsidy for a new phone or not, helps to maintain high prices for smartphones. But it is not only phone manufacturers that profit from the subsidies, it's the carriers themselves. It's giving away the device (printer, phone, capsule-based coffee machine) and charging for the consumables. Subsidies attract and bind users to the carrier, that is why they keep offering them.
An iPod touch caters to those that don't need a phone or don't want to or can't pay for a (smart)phone but want an iOS device (or more generally a smart 'device'). It's market segmentation, if some people really cannot or don't want to pay more than $200 to $400 but want an iOS device (a large group of which are children), Apple offers a device in that price range to capture those consumers but at the same time makes it unattractive enough that the majority of people who want a phone don't buy it but the higher-margin iPhone.
Since Mountain Lion, Apple allows you to install the latest version of OS X on almost any Mac with graphics hardware that completely supports the 64-bit kernel. All of the unsupported 64-bit Macs have 32-bit graphics drivers. Seeing as how Mountain Lion was the last release to drop anything, I'd say that's pretty good. Now, with the case of the Mac Pro 1,1 where you can swap GPUs for something newer and supported, they should let you install Mountain Lion and newer if you have compatible hardware.
I never said the opposite. I was commenting on your claim that the "vast majority" of Android users couldn't or wouldn't update. Which is false.
I know you are being sarcastic, but interestingly enough I'm pretty sure there was an Apple patent a while back on a momentum module that would swing an iPhone onto it's back during free-fall so that it lands flat and distributes the impact evenly across the metal surface instead of the glass. I know my Sony RX100 detects when it is being dropped and tucks in the lens. If they could fit a supercooled superconductor inside they could prevent it from being dropped onto certain metal surfaces, lol, yeah not gonna happen.
Significantly faster?
I use my iPod for mostly music and light media (I don't really use iOS games on my iPod because the screen is too cramped for that now, I use the iPad for that)
My iPod Touch 5th Gen on iOS 6 loads most of the stock apps around second or less.
Specific apps I use on a daily basis...
The Camera comes up in 1.6 seconds.
Music comes up in 0.8 seconds.
Settings comes up in 0.6 seconds.
Facebook comes up in 4 seconds.
Instagram comes up in 1.8 seconds.
Twitter comes up in 6.7 seconds.
Bootup time is 27 seconds.
I mean how much faster can it actually get at this point? Bootup time and initial Twitter launch will probably see the most improvement, but if it can't cut all these times by half or more, I wouldn't call that a significant increase.
I'm comparing the iPods on the OS'es they were designed for...
If it was iPod Touch 5th gen on 8.4 vs 6th gen on 8.4, then yes, it would DEFINITELY be significantly faster.
I don't think that's the case in my comparison. That's the whole point of me not upgrading to iOS 8 in the first place. What's the point? All of the apps I use are still supported under 6. And like I said initially, it'd be "as fast" as a 6th Gen under similar conditions, since it's not running an OS that unnecessarily make the device crawls to its knees (which won't be the case for the 6th gen).
The new "6th generation model" is really the "7th generation model". The internal code gives it away.
I think they designed a successor to the 5th Gen iPod Touch that was much better, faster than the horrifically outdated 5th gen model but that Apple execs nuked it out of fear it'd hurt iPhone sales, by far their biggest cash cow. So the original 6th generation was killed in committee.
Only now have they gotten around to releasing the 7th generation model. Apple must feel secure enough to do this now -- perhaps based on market feedback around the iPad Mini, to which the iPod Touch is most similar in function and size and marketing audience, that they don't have that much to fear about losing iPhone sales. Just in case, they dropped Touch ID, which is found on all new iPad models, as an extra differentiator, the marketing's execs parting shot. I doubt it saved much money at all when you consider standardizing on a single component across an entire line saves money in its own right.
I'm sure to keep costs down... Starts at $199
Although I do find it ironic that the only product with Touch in the name doesn't have Touch ID!
Standardization on Touch ID across the line also saves money than having to source two components that do the same thing. I am sure the extra cost of Touch ID would be a wash against those savings of scale and single line assembly. The real reason is product differentiation. Apple execs didn't release the original 6th gen out of iPhone cannibalization fears. I am sure requested Touch ID was left out as a differentiator -- just in case. It has proven very popular and important to some people. I imagine they would have skipped Touch ID even if it had cost them slightly more to use non-Touch ID.
Exactly. I already have an Ip6 Plus and I'm going to use the new Touch in the gym every day for a few hours. 16GB at $199 suffices, got a gold this morning.
A friend was convinced by her husband to buy their kids a couple Gen-5 iPod Touches this year for their birthdays. The husband even convinced her to sell 2 iPhone 5 devices and buy iPod Touches instead. They now have multiple $300 devices that are immediately 3 years old and will likely be unsupported when iOS 10 (or whatever they call it) releases in 2016.
My wife and I explained to them why they should just give them the phones instead or wait for a while longer. They didn't take our advice. It really sucks for people in similar situations where they are ignorant to what's going on or whatever convinced them buy outdated hardware for high prices.
The same issue is going to happen once Apple updates the Apple TV. It's insane the only change has been a price drop that will go away once they release new hardware. But at least they discounted the outdated hardware for Apple TV.
It's hard to say how the 16GB limit affects iTouch users. If using the device mainly for music, then 16GB will be fine. That holds a decent collection of music. However, iTouch is often used as a gaming device alternative to a Nintendo handheld. iOS games can take up a lot of space. For these users, 16GB is going to be a problem, even with App Thinning. Last to consider is photographers. Will there be a strong enough audience using iTouch as a camera? 1080p video will fill that up very quickly. 8MP photos fill up storage fairly quickly too; especially for those who like to modify their photos; meaning duplicates. It would have been better to make it 32GB, but it's not as offense as 16GB on a phone.
I strongly stand by that 16GB is not enough on a phone. 'Nuff said about that...
The upgrade was needed, but it's a disappointing upgrade. I expected more updates to sound hardware with the Beats takeover. I expected a flashier announcement with Apple Music. I expected new colors and form factors for the Nano and Shuffle. As the rumors came flowing in leading up to the announcement, I started to realize Apple is taking their time. They want people to keep buying devices and so they purposefully craft their devices with planned obsolescence to encourage purchases sooner. Apple may have a 6-month turn-around for iPod Touch (ala- new iPad - iPad 4); introducing another new Touch in the spring of 2016. I want there to be a new iPod Touch in 2016 because they didn't make they changes I expected in the current model. I'm now expecting similar disappointments for the iPhone 6S announcements.
[edit] On screen size... it makes sense to keep a smaller screen for the iPod Touch considering it's uses. If iTouch sales were booming it'd make sense to also have an iPod Touch Plus to offer a bigger screen for handheld gamers. I doubt it would be worth the effort, but it could work out...
My wife and I explained to them why they should just give them the phones instead or wait for a while longer. They didn't take our advice. It really sucks for people in similar situations where they are ignorant to what's going on or whatever convinced them buy outdated hardware for high prices.
The same issue is going to happen once Apple updates the Apple TV. It's insane the only change has been a price drop that will go away once they release new hardware. But at least they discounted the outdated hardware for Apple TV.
It's hard to say how the 16GB limit affects iTouch users. If using the device mainly for music, then 16GB will be fine. That holds a decent collection of music. However, iTouch is often used as a gaming device alternative to a Nintendo handheld. iOS games can take up a lot of space. For these users, 16GB is going to be a problem, even with App Thinning. Last to consider is photographers. Will there be a strong enough audience using iTouch as a camera? 1080p video will fill that up very quickly. 8MP photos fill up storage fairly quickly too; especially for those who like to modify their photos; meaning duplicates. It would have been better to make it 32GB, but it's not as offense as 16GB on a phone.
I strongly stand by that 16GB is not enough on a phone. 'Nuff said about that...
The upgrade was needed, but it's a disappointing upgrade. I expected more updates to sound hardware with the Beats takeover. I expected a flashier announcement with Apple Music. I expected new colors and form factors for the Nano and Shuffle. As the rumors came flowing in leading up to the announcement, I started to realize Apple is taking their time. They want people to keep buying devices and so they purposefully craft their devices with planned obsolescence to encourage purchases sooner. Apple may have a 6-month turn-around for iPod Touch (ala- new iPad - iPad 4); introducing another new Touch in the spring of 2016. I want there to be a new iPod Touch in 2016 because they didn't make they changes I expected in the current model. I'm now expecting similar disappointments for the iPhone 6S announcements.
[edit] On screen size... it makes sense to keep a smaller screen for the iPod Touch considering it's uses. If iTouch sales were booming it'd make sense to also have an iPod Touch Plus to offer a bigger screen for handheld gamers. I doubt it would be worth the effort, but it could work out...
Thats similar to asking why is the regular style of burberry shirt $200 dollars but the same style but different color thats limited edition is $800
Their the same style, same tim, same fabric, but ones limited edition.
The iPod minus couple internals is essentially the same as the iPhone, but ones an iPhone.
Challenge accepted. How do you like my Hackintosh?
keyboard is an apple product
Challenge accepted. How do you like my Hackintosh?
Nice... but why run OS X at all? It seems like it would be much easier to run Windows on it, and Windows 10 really is great. Then again, I also had no problem with 8 or 8.1, so there's that.
Interesting. All of the apps I use on a regular basis require either iOS 7 or 8- about half and half. It's a good thing you're still able to use all of your apps, but developers are beginning to drop iOS 6 in large numbers. Not to mention, control center, widgets, and security updates are all great reasons to update. But hey- if what you have works great for you now, more power to you.
Poor choice of words on my part, I meant "up to" because those figures are never truly accurate, but it's what's on the website for comparison purposes.
The new iPod Touch has the same tech specs as the previous generation in regards playback times.
"Music playback time: Up to 40 hours
Video playback time: Up to 8 hours"
Moving from iPhone 5S to 6 or 6 Plus nets you up to 50 or 80 hours music playback time . A 10 - 40 hour "increase."
Touches have been rated at up to 40 hours since the 4th Gen. And of course, since I don't know anyone who has ever gotten that close of a figure, ANY battery improvement would be nice.