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.7" difference from trhe 4" and all the sudden it is away to big? People are strange!!!

IMO, 3.5" was the sweet-spot (like 4th-gen iPod touch, which I own). 4" is an acceptable compromise to get some much needed screen space, but still phone-sized. Anything bigger starts to enter phablet-land, both in terms of usability and handling, but also pocket-ability.
 
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If true, this will be THE iPhone for all those who still gripe about the iPhone 6 models being "too big"... a chance for those apparent multitudes to put their money where their mouth is.
  • If it doesn't have all the tech specs of the bigger iPhones -> no buy.
  • If it costs the same as the bigger iPhones, it's a rip-off -> no buy.
  • If it has a shorter battery life due to smaller battery -> no buy.
  • If it has a plastic case, Apple cheaps out on material -> no buy.
  • If neither of the above is true, [insert arbitrary reason] -> no buy.
People will always find a reason why a potential new 4" model is not worth it compared to the other models available.

"But, but ... there might be reasons why you can't put tech from bigger units into a smaller package without some trade-offs."
"Nah, all those engineers are not worth their money and Apple is known for ripping off their customers. It's all intentional to alienate their customers."
 
IMO, 3.5" was the sweet-spot (like 4th-gen iPod touch, which I own). 4" is an acceptable compromise to get some much needed screen space, but still phone-sized. Anything bigger starts to enter phablet-land, both in terms of usability and handling, but also pocket-ability.

How can a mini screen 3.5" be a sweet spot on this day of age when probably majority of the people use one device for everything? Internet browsing, video, photo, games, and so on and on? I am all for option but I think it's quite obvious that people who are into mini displays fall into minority. Phones are not anymore what they used to be, something used for making/receiving calls and occasional texting. I was sick with 4" screen to the point I moved to Android until iPhone 6 came out. Never mind 3.5" which now days is just a ridiculous size to properly do anything on it. What I would like Apple to do is decrease the bezel (which in my opinion is quite large) and go from 4.7 to 5" screen. For me that is the sweet spot. And of course have an 4" option for the ones that are into smaller displays. By the way my hands are fairly small and I have absolutely no problem using the iPhone 6, many times even one handed.
 
  • If it doesn't have all the tech specs of the bigger iPhones -> no buy.
  • If it costs the same as the bigger iPhones, it's a rip-off -> no buy.
  • If it has a shorter battery life due to smaller battery -> no buy.
  • If it has a plastic case, Apple cheaps out on material -> no buy.
  • If neither of the above is true, [insert arbitrary reason] -> no buy.
People will always find a reason why a potential new 4" model is not worth it compared to the other models available.

"But, but ... there might be reasons why you can't put tech from bigger units into a smaller package without some trade-offs."
"Nah, all those engineers are not worth their money and Apple is known for ripping off their customers. It's all intentional to alienate their customers."

No, *most of us* understand their might be trade-offs. If you put an iPhone 6s into a much smaller case, it might get a bit less battery life... though they could go a bit thicker, etc. They could certainly make it 5s size, and it would be fine.

And *many* of us don't expect it to be cheaper or think Apple is ripping us off. What we're concerned about is that Apple (smartly) followed a trend for bigger screen sizes (as they were needed and wanted), without considering that *many* of us might still want a phone-sized-phone.

They are so focused on spreadsheets and sales figures, they think things are just fine... but they'd be even better (and they'd better serve their customers) if they ALSO had a 4".

How can a mini screen 3.5" be a sweet spot on this day of age when probably majority of the people use one device for everything? Internet browsing, video, photo, games, and so on and on? I am all for option but I think it's quite obvious that people who are into mini displays fall into minority. Phones are not anymore what they used to be, something used for making/receiving calls and occasional texting. I was sick with 4" screen to the point I moved to Android until iPhone 6 came out. Never mind 3.5" which now days is just a ridiculous size to properly do anything on it. What I would like Apple to do is decrease the bezel (which in my opinion is quite large) and go from 4.7 to 5" screen. For me that is the sweet spot. And of course have an 4" option for the ones that are into smaller displays. By the way I think my hands are fairly small and I have absolutely no problem using the iPhone 6, many times even one handed.

That's what the bigger models are for. Yes, there are a segment of iPhone users for whom it is their only device. That's why we think it *is* a good idea they have bigger screens, despite the downsides. Many of us still use our smart phone... you guessed it... as phones. And as support devices to our laptops and iPads.

I'm for options too... which is why I supported the idea of Apple introducing bigger screens. I just didn't expect them to MOVE to bigger screens and ditch the smaller optimal ones! Also note, when I'm saying what screen size I prefer, it's about the overall device and UX. I want a 27" screen! Just not on my phone. ;) It's not that I'm into smaller displays... I'm into phone-sized-phones.

And, no, I don't try to do everything with my phone. It's used for phone calls, a LOT of podcast listening, calendar and address checking, IM, looking something up on the web in a pinch, maybe Skype. I use a few custom apps to track various things. I read Kindle books on it. None of those things, aside from maybe web surfing, dramatically need a bigger screen. And, I'm not going to spend any more time than I have to surfing the web, whether its a 3.5" 4" or 5" screen. I'm going to use an iPad, laptop, or desktop.
 
Whatever screen size apple decides to come out with, they need to put those bezels on a diet. The bezels take up too much space. Their devices could actually be smaller if they would just cut down on the bezels.
Absolutely. Also noted by others, rearrange earphone, microphone, camera, shrinking area above screen, and maybe eliminate somehow the home button, or integrate into screen...major space savings there...
... and (imo) major failure options there. Personally I do prefer the bezels on the phone compared to nearly every non-bezel phone out there. To me it's looking far more harmonic than those screen-only devices.

But even personal preference aside - it makes the iPhone stand apart from every other manufacturer. You see a smartphone and can immediately recognize it's an Apple device. This is an advantage to brand building / brand maintenance that can't be ignored.

Thus when TouchID will be integrated into the display in some future device, I doubt the bezel will go away completely. Except if Apple finds a way to create a new silhouette that again distinguishes itself recognizably from the competition ("Science-Fiction mode on": Like a slate of pure glass with rounded edges, without visible technology, which is too small to see or integrated in that black bar at one side --> see e.g. Philips DesignLine TV).

What is so complicated about 3 sizes?
What is so complicated about 4, 5 or 10 sizes?

Simple answer: The logistics behind it! Different sizes mean lots of different parts that have to be evaluated, organized, purchased and distributed - not to mention the final unit logistics and the effort for engineering and testing all the combinations. And the spare part provision and warehousing. Genius and hotline training. Software adjustments. And so on and so on.

Every difference goes into the equation as multiplying factor.

So 3 different sizes may look easy to the untrained eye of the customer, but the additional effort in the background is significant! As a side note: That's what nearly killed Apple in the past already - too many different variants.

There is a reason why Apple can support years-old devices with new OS releases, while the competition already struggles to support all of their dozens of variants for more than 6 months ...
 
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I wish they'd just tell us if they're gonna do it or not. I don't want to stick with an iPhone any longer if they're not bringing out a new 4 inch phone, as the longer I root myself into the iPhone, the harder it will be to leave. Essentially I just want to know if I need to move platforms or not, sooner rather than later.
 
No, *most of us* understand their might be trade-offs. [...]
And *many* of us don't expect it to be cheaper or think Apple is ripping us off. [...] *many* of us might still want a phone-sized-phone.

[Apple] are so focused on spreadsheets and sales figures, they think things are just fine... but they'd be even better (and they'd better serve their customers) if they ALSO had a 4".
I don't doubt that. The question is if they'd be more than _marginally_ better. As I said in my post before, each new size introduces a lot of cost and overhead. Depending on the market potential for a 4" phone, it might even result in a loss for the company and at the end of the day in deteriorating the user experience for all users (see Android as comparison, where most variants are poorly supported after 6 months already).

Apple is usually pretty good in knowing the market and recognizing where there are niches to fill and where not. So far they seemingly did not see a reason to serve the users asking for a new premium 4" device - perhaps because their number is too small to be served from Apple's perspective.

Now, going for a lower price segment to get more user into the ecosystem is a completely different story. Might be worth it eventually due to sheer numbers - and the vocal group asking for a 4" premium device may be partially enticed as well.

That's what the bigger models are for. Yes, there are a segment of iPhone users for whom it is their only device. That's why we think it *is* a good idea they have bigger screens, despite the downsides. Many of us still use our smart phone... you guessed it... as phones. And as support devices to our laptops and iPads.
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And, I'm not going to spend any more time than I have to surfing the web, whether its a 3.5" 4" or 5" screen. I'm going to use an iPad, laptop, or desktop.
Your text reads as if the majority of users would be using their smartphones purely as phones. I beg to differ in opinion that those are actually that "many" users. Why should one pay much money for a smartphone if he only intends to use it purely as phone?

Also, iPad, laptop and especially desktop are not always an alternative when on the move (e.g. commuting or just out), as they are - in comparison - too big and cumbersome or not portable at all.

Another factor is demography. Apple products are traditionally more on the expensive side. Thus the average user is older than on more inexpensive platforms. And growing older comes with increasing limitations in e.g. eyesight or finger coordination. Not really limiting everyday life similar to what the aged experience, but enough to make a difference between - say - a 4" and a 4.7" (or even 5.5") device.
 
So 3 different sizes may look easy to the untrained eye of the customer, but the additional effort in the background is significant! As a side note: That's what nearly killed Apple in the past already - too many different variants.

Apple in the 1990s had issues with a confusing product line. Performa, Quadra, Centris and LC lines which all featured the same models with slight differentiation (some bundled with some software, some with different HD sizes/ram sizes). Also major cost cutting meant many models had serious issues with performance (The LC II with a 16bit?? bus and a 32bit processor comes to mind, amongst many other moves).

3 iPhones is NOTHING like that. Introducing the screen size as the major differentiation between phones actually simplifies things. Instead of working out "Hmm last years model has this processor and this camera, vs this year blah blah" it comes down to "Which screen size suits me the best".

Apple is a major massive company so one extra phone size is not that significant. THey're already making the screens for the Touch 6, and they're already making A9 processors for example.

If Apple were majorly concerned about number of models, they would not have been seeking 3 iPad Mini's and 2 iPad Airs, in a complex array of capacities and wireless capabilities and colour last year. If they can handle that they can another sized iPhone.
 
I wish they'd just tell us if they're gonna do it or not. I don't want to stick with an iPhone any longer if they're not bringing out a new 4 inch phone, as the longer I root myself into the iPhone, the harder it will be to leave. Essentially I just want to know if I need to move platforms or not, sooner rather than later.

That's a fair point, especially in the context of how much they are screwing up on OS X. If you're more of a 'pro' in how you use a computer, Apple seems to be saying... 'thanks folks, but time to move on.' And, I suppose that's the downside of this whole Apple eco-system they've so benefited from. If I'm leaving with one device, there's less reason to stay Apple for the others.

I'm certainly not THERE yet! The grass isn't greener, despite all of Apple's more recent failures (they really were that far ahead!). But, I'm certainly starting to look and consider.

As I said in my post before, each new size introduces a lot of cost and overhead. Depending on the market potential for a 4" phone, it might even result in a loss for the company and at the end of the day in deteriorating the user experience for all users (see Android as comparison, where most variants are poorly supported after 6 months already).

Apple is usually pretty good in knowing the market and recognizing where there are niches to fill and where not. So far they seemingly did not see a reason to serve the users asking for a new premium 4" device - perhaps because their number is too small to be served from Apple's perspective.

Now, going for a lower price segment to get more user into the ecosystem is a completely different story. Might be worth it eventually due to sheer numbers - and the vocal group asking for a 4" premium device may be partially enticed as well.

Apple is getting more complex in their product line, but I'm not sure this is the place to trim it. It's a place where the sizes really matter. Maybe ditch the 4.7"? People who want a phone might gravitate towards the 4" and people who want a phablet the 5.5"? (5.5" is certainly better as a sole computing device than a 4.7")

If I were to start trimming... I'd trim options within each category. Why have 3 storage sizes? Trim it to one or two. (Because they like to up-sell... it's a marketing decision, not a product design one.)

Why so many iPads? They need the mini, a normal, and maybe the Pro. I suppose the WiFi and cellular makes sense, but simplify that line a lot.

Why have so many laptop variations? You need a 'pro'... probably 15" and then either decide on MB Air or MB for 1 or 2 smaller sizes. They already only have 2 iMacs, though with some variety there... but that and Pro is a more build-to-order kind of thing anyway.

The reason I don't think they got the 4" right, is that they never tested it. They went right to only bigger screens... saw a nice sales growth curve, and that's probably that. I get the impression there are a lot of people who want a 4". In fact, I'd wonder which would sell more, the 4" or 4.7". But, if they don't release equal devices, we'll never know.

And, yes, they might want/need a lower end phone. But, that's not the folks here complaining about lack of a 4" iPhone. The general sentiment seems to be we want a full-featured one, even if it costs the same (or more?).

Your text reads as if the majority of users would be using their smartphones purely as phones. I beg to differ in opinion that those are actually that "many" users. Why should one pay much money for a smartphone if he only intends to use it purely as phone?

Also, iPad, laptop and especially desktop are not always an alternative when on the move (e.g. commuting or just out), as they are - in comparison - too big and cumbersome or not portable at all.

Another factor is demography. Apple products are traditionally more on the expensive side. Thus the average user is older than on more inexpensive platforms. And growing older comes with increasing limitations in e.g. eyesight or finger coordination. Not really limiting everyday life similar to what the aged experience, but enough to make a difference between - say - a 4" and a 4.7" (or even 5.5") device.

Not purely as phones, but as a smart PHONE. We already have tablets or laptops, so we don't need the phone to do all of that as a primary device. But, we want access to the DATA when we need it. And, I think there are actually quite a few of us. How many business professionals in industrialized countries don't also have a laptop or desktop? Heck, even home users.

And, if indeed, so many are using them as their only devices... why aren't the 5.5" sales higher? IMO, it's because that's too big for most and they want a smaller phone... but 4.7" is the smallest they can go, so we don't know how many of THAT crowd would go for the 4".

And, no, maybe the laptop isn't a good option when on the move, but I'm also not in a big rush to design a super-spreadsheet at that point either. If I'm standing on a bus, what am I doing with a 4.7" screen that I can't do on a 4" screen?

I'm one of those older people now, I guess. My eyesight isn't what it used to be. But, when I'm mobile, I can hold it as close as I like and have an easier time on a screen where I can operate it with one hand on the bar of the bus rather than needing one hand to hold, and the other to touch.
 
Introducing the screen size as the major differentiation between phones actually simplifies things. Instead of working out "Hmm last years model has this processor and this camera, vs this year blah blah" it comes down to "Which screen size suits me the best".

VERY well said! Basically, we have 3 iPhone models... 4", 4.7", and 5.5" and they are all exactly the same except for maybe storage size. That's pretty simple. And, since there is ZERO reason to have a 16 GB model, they could just offer a 64 GB and 128 GB... or just go with 128 GB if they really want to simplify.

It's the laptops and iPads that are venturing into the complexity of the 90s, but yea, we're still a LONG way from that mess.

(And, if anything, they could ditch the Watch... that's one of their more complex lines in terms of variation.)
 
And, no, maybe the laptop isn't a good option when on the move, but I'm also not in a big rush to design a super-spreadsheet at that point either. If I'm standing on a bus, what am I doing with a 4.7" screen that I can't do on a 4" screen?

Thats my viewpoint. People act as though the 4 inch screen is too small for anything. I can achieve everything I want (Web browsing, Apps, games, mail, messages, notes, Facebook, twitter etc perfectly well on a 4 inch screen.
 
... and (imo) major failure options there. Personally I do prefer the bezels on the phone compared to nearly every non-bezel phone out there. To me it's looking far more harmonic than those screen-only devices.

But even personal preference aside - it makes the iPhone stand apart from every other manufacturer. You see a smartphone and can immediately recognize it's an Apple device. This is an advantage to brand building / brand maintenance that can't be ignored.

Thus when TouchID will be integrated into the display in some future device, I doubt the bezel will go away completely. Except if Apple finds a way to create a new silhouette that again distinguishes itself recognizably from the competition ("Science-Fiction mode on": Like a slate of pure glass with rounded edges, without visible technology, which is too small to see or integrated in that black bar at one side --> see e.g. Philips DesignLine TV).

I'm talking about non bezel phones or getting I'd of the bezels completely. Just simply slimming down the bezels. In particularly the top and bottom bezels. Apple can slim those bezels down without getting rid of the home button or touch ID button completely. For example note 5 has a bigger screen than a iphone 6s plus but manages to be smaller and lighter because the bezels are slim. And it still has a home button/finger print scanner.
 
It's the laptops and iPads that are venturing into the complexity of the 90s, but yea, we're still a LONG way from that mess.

And even then, they just need to better differentiate the lines. IMHO, the Macbook should be renamed the Macbook Air, the Macbook Air should be renamed the Macbook, the Macbook Pro non retina should become the Macbook classic and the retina pro should just become the pro, as each of their laptops is for a different niche/group of people.
 
I'm starting to wonder if there will be a small press event on Apple's campus next month. They'll introduce the 4" iPhone in a few different colors that probably match some Apple Watch straps. Introduce the iPad Air 3 with Apple Pencil support, faster clocked A9 than the one found in the 6s but with more graphics cores, sitting pretty evenly between the iPhone 6s and iPad Pro in benchmarks with faster NAND/controller stuff for faster app loading like on the Pro. Maybe announce another exclusive Apple Watch strap like the Hermés series. Possibly announce the launch of their streaming TV plan for Apple TV 4 priced at $30-40/mo.

Here's how it will go down:
  • Welcome. Apple is great and here are some numbers showing you we're not lying. Apple Watch is doing well.
  • Transition to Apple Watch accessories. Mention the new charging pad. Talk about another exclusive band partnership or some new colors or something. Talk about how well it works with iPhone. Transition to…
  • We believed for years that the perfect iPhone size was around 4", and we've heard that many of you still agree.
  • iPhone 6c. Four inches. New A8 chip (2GB of RAM but won't say it) from Apple TV 4 and iPad Mini 4. Same back camera as iPhone 6 but upgraded 5mp front camera with display flash. No 3D Touch but faster Touch ID tech. Same LTE chip as 6s. Comes in a few colors that closely match Apple Watch sport straps, as well as some new Apple cases. Ships mid or late February.
  • iPad Air 3. Faster A9 chip (same 2GB of RAM but won't say), 30-40% faster than the Air 2, supports Apple Pencil. Ships early to mid February.
  • One more thing. Apple TV 4. Sales have been solid, and now there's even more reason to love the Apple TV: Apple Cast (yeah shut up, whatever they decide to call it…haha…maybe Apple TV Live? Apple Play? Apple Stream?). Streaming TV packages starting at just $29/mo. Maybe some kind of customization/discovery similar to Apple Music (but hopefully improved).
  • The new streaming service also works on iPhone and iPad with a new iOS 9.3 update coming next week when the service goes live.
  • That's a wrap! Cue the music.
Me like all of that :)
 
Thats my viewpoint. People act as though the 4 inch screen is too small for anything. I can achieve everything I want (Web browsing, Apps, games, mail, messages, notes, Facebook, twitter etc perfectly well on a 4 inch screen.
I learned to trade stocks on a iphone 3! made a bundle too...mostly use an ipad now but when im on the go, phone must handle those duties...
 
I learned to trade stocks on a iphone 3! made a bundle too...mostly use an ipad now but when im on the go, phone must handle those duties...

I also had no problems with a 3.5 inch screen... 4 inches is good as I can still hold it one handed and have a little extra realestate.
 
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And, no, maybe the laptop isn't a good option when on the move, but I'm also not in a big rush to design a super-spreadsheet at that point either. If I'm standing on a bus, what am I doing with a 4.7" screen that I can't do on a 4" screen?
Seconded. Physically I'm perfectly capable of dealing with a 4,7-inch or 5,5-inch iPhone, but I just don't want either of those, when I can accomplish everything I need perfectly fine on a smaller device. Even if the screen really happens to be too small for something, I wouldn't necessarily even consider it to be a bad thing. Lately I've become conscious of much time we spend using digital devices every day, and if an insufficiently small screen (for a particular task) discourages me from fishing the device out of my pocket and instead helps me concentrate on the real world, I welcome it. Plus, a smaller device is more comfortable in the pocket anyway.

That kind of mindset doesn't work for everyone, and I perfectly get why people want large screens. Somehow I wish those people were also a bit more understanding towards those of us who don't want them, instead of looking at us like we're a bunch of weirdos stuck in the past.
 
... and (imo) major failure options there. Personally I do prefer the bezels on the phone compared to nearly every non-bezel phone out there. To me it's looking far more harmonic than those screen-only devices.

But even personal preference aside - it makes the iPhone stand apart from every other manufacturer. You see a smartphone and can immediately recognize it's an Apple device. This is an advantage to brand building / brand maintenance that can't be ignored.

Thus when TouchID will be integrated into the display in some future device, I doubt the bezel will go away completely. Except if Apple finds a way to create a new silhouette that again distinguishes itself recognizably from the competition ("Science-Fiction mode on": Like a slate of pure glass with rounded edges, without visible technology, which is too small to see or integrated in that black bar at one side --> see e.g. Philips DesignLine TV).


What is so complicated about 4, 5 or 10 sizes?

Simple answer: The logistics behind it! Different sizes mean lots of different parts that have to be evaluated, organized, purchased and distributed - not to mention the final unit logistics and the effort for engineering and testing all the combinations. And the spare part provision and warehousing. Genius and hotline training. Software adjustments. And so on and so on.

Every difference goes into the equation as multiplying factor.

So 3 different sizes may look easy to the untrained eye of the customer, but the additional effort in the background is significant! As a side note: That's what nearly killed Apple in the past already - too many different variants.

There is a reason why Apple can support years-old devices with new OS releases, while the competition already struggles to support all of their dozens of variants for more than 6 months ...
good explanation
 
"the new 4-inch model will account for 8-9%"

its only 9% .....

Not much of a demand.... while everyone is is on bigger phones... let them upgrade.

Apple knows at some stage 4-inch will discontinue anyway, so may as well do it while not much of a demand..

They did this with the iPad 2.
 
That kind of mindset doesn't work for everyone, and I perfectly get why people want large screens. Somehow I wish those people were also a bit more understanding towards those of us who don't want them, instead of looking at us like we're a bunch of weirdos stuck in the past.
This!

I've got no problem with people having large phones - doesn't bother me in the slightest, but there seem to be a lot of people on large phones that do not accept that its a matter of personal opinion. Bigger is not necessarily equal to better in terms of screen size.
 
"the new 4-inch model will account for 8-9%"

its only 9% .....

Not much of a demand.... while everyone is is on bigger phones... let them upgrade.

Apple knows at some stage 4-inch will discontinue anyway, so may as well do it while not much of a demand..

They did this with the iPad 2.

Almost 10 percent of the iPhone's market share is quite significant. There is demand so I don't see how it would be a bad thing for them to make it.

The iPad 2 is a completely different scenario... There was a direct replacement for the iPad 2 (iPad 4 which was reintroduced).
 
Personally, I think in the end, the new 4" iPhone 6c will probably have this spec:

1. Case that looks like a reduced size iPhone 6/6s, which looks metallic but in up to six different colors (the same color choices as the iPhone 5c).
2. The same 4" screen from the iPhone 5/5s. 3D Touch functionality missing to save on production costs.
3. A9 SoC (or maybe an improved A8 SoC) with 1 GB of RAM.
4. 16 or 32 GB of local storage.
5. Touch ID sensor on the Home button.
6. NFC to support Apple Pay.

I think the 32 GB model could be a surprising HOT seller, because many people want iPhone 6 functionality but in a size that's easily put into shirt and coat pockets.
 
IMO, 3.5" was the sweet-spot (like 4th-gen iPod touch, which I own). 4" is an acceptable compromise to get some much needed screen space, but still phone-sized. Anything bigger starts to enter phablet-land, both in terms of usability and handling, but also pocket-ability.
I agree, if they are going to have a 3 size range then for those wanting a compact size, that fits the bill the best. 3.5, 4.7 and 5.5. Something for all specific case uses. Optimized for each specific case use.
I still have a 3.5 iPod I use all the time and it is such a nice size and fits so well in the hand.
 
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