Spectrum said:
It would be a good idea only because it protects the display and is easier to clean. If you have kids at home you know that they absolutely cannot keep the damn fingers off the display. So having a glossy display would help with this.
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It would be a good idea only because it protects the display and is easier to clean. If you have kids at home you know that they absolutely cannot keep the damn fingers off the display. So having a glossy display would help with this.
No way would the X1600 be that cheap, even for bulk. If anything it will be $200 and the RAM, HD and Optical drive also seem a little optimistic for a dual layer combo I would think it be more like at $300.BlizzardBomb said:
I can see a lot of people getting one of these machines for word processing and internet instead of the gruntier iMacs.
eMac? Oh, I hope not!
CRTs have deservedly passed on, like the carburettor and the wooden ox cart before it. Nostalgia has a place, like in a museum. Perhaps a budget flat panel display for the MacMini or drop the 17" iMac specification and pricing to meet the education market's expectations, but let's never mention the CRT again in the same sentence as Apple, please!
CRTs have deservedly passed on, like the carburettor and the wooden ox cart before it. Nostalgia has a place, like in a museum. Perhaps a budget flat panel display for the MacMini or drop the 17" iMac specification and pricing to meet the education market's expectations, but let's never mention the CRT again in the same sentence as Apple, please!
~Shard~ said:Just look at the MacBooks - it's the style of the times!
I was doing some typing on my Powerbook today with my back to a large sunny window today. There was appreciable glare, but at no point/position did it affect my ability to see what I was doing.
Just for fun, I got out the god-awful 15" Glossy Gateway BrickTM that my gf's work bought her, and put it alongside the PB. Yes! I could see myself in it, the window in it, and the people in the apartment across the street.
Shift it to one side: no window anymore, but I can still see the reflection of the walls in the room, and a dark outline of myself of course.
At a distance, and from an angle, the glare is less obvious, but the image on the PB just looks SO much better. It looks like it is painted on the screen. The colours on the Gateway just look garish.
This, just my outspoken opinion about the stupidity of glossy screens.
There's a $500 difference between the display prices, and I've already discounted the 23" one 35% off the retail price (where the key expense is the panel and supporting hardware, not the case--there might be a $30 difference there). LCDs aren't priced evenly (the difference between a 17" and 20" is far less than between a 20" and a 23", for example). Even a $300 generic parts increase means something closer to $400 at the retail end. But the specific nature of the LCD in particular would result in a higher return rate because of pixel problems, which means that per-unit support costs would also increase, along with shipping costs due to increased size and weight, and higher power consumption because of the larger panel, and more heat, and you can see how what seems to be a simple change snowballs into something much bigger.BlizzardBomb said:
You can look at Dell for a rough example. Their 17" monitors are $250 or so (widescreen would be priced higher if they sold them), and their 20 is roughly $400. Their 24" is $950. Even without the computer, the price differential is massive, and Apple will never be able to buy or sell for as cheaply as Dell. So $400 might buy you a faster CPU and a bigger iMac now, but it doesn't mean the next bigger one can be done in the same price constraints.
it's hideousdontmatter said:
My guess is that with the Mac Mini's more stylish enclosure and cheaper price (since many already have mice, screens, or keyboards) it was a better buy, so sales of the eMac slumped. Also iMac prices may have been more appealing with the G5 redesign and those who would have purchased an eMac spent a little more to get the new iMac.
Personally I really hope this is true. I don't really mind whether it is a CRT or LCD. As long as it is cheap and durable (hard thick plastic) so they last in schools. CRT would make sure it can't be stolen easily due to size and weight, a problem a lot of schools I know suffer from. We have huge 17" CRTs for our machines that power Interactive Whiteboards in one of the schools I work for, for the primary reason they are extremely hard (and cheaper than LCD!) to pick up and cart out the window with! (at least slows them down enough for Police etc to get there!)
My friend made his switch to Apple with an eMac when they were open to the general public, proof they should be still made so, granted maybe not advertised like the iMac, but still available if someone looks and finds it and wants it.
I really hope this is true. A nice cheap Apple Mac for education again, the eMac was so perfect in so many ways, and ofcourse had it's downfalls. I hope any reincarnation rolls out the bad bits and keeps the good bits.
If it's true I could be looking to buy some of these for my schools.
My friend made his switch to Apple with an eMac when they were open to the general public, proof they should be still made so, granted maybe not advertised like the iMac, but still available if someone looks and finds it and wants it.
I really hope this is true. A nice cheap Apple Mac for education again, the eMac was so perfect in so many ways, and ofcourse had it's downfalls. I hope any reincarnation rolls out the bad bits and keeps the good bits.
If it's true I could be looking to buy some of these for my schools.
I've been asking about this for ages... Nice to finally have an answer of sorts.
If they go with an LCD they will need to put alot of protection on it. Schools are not freindly places for computers. Plus how are they going to weight the iMac down. It's almost small enough to slide into a large backpack, something that the eMac could not do.
I see there being two models:
lesser - (for most workstations, and classroom/teacher machines)
1.83 ghz Core Duo (sooo much cheaper once Core 2 Duo is out)
Integrated graphics
40 GB HD (Most schools have main servers for all acounts and where all data is saved so only software would be on the machine)
Combo Drive
front side USB ports - (most students now use there iPods or flashdrives for data transfer)
Easy open case for upgrades / in-house maintance
better - (for things like CAD, Light video work, and more intense tasks)
2.0 ghz Core Duo
ATI Graphics (of some sort)
120+ GB HD (for video work this is nessasary)
Super Drive
front side USB ports - (most students now use there iPods or flashdrives for data transfer)
Easy open case for upgrades / in-house maintance
With both machines being boxier and heavier than any iMac
If they go with an LCD they will need to put alot of protection on it. Schools are not freindly places for computers. Plus how are they going to weight the iMac down. It's almost small enough to slide into a large backpack, something that the eMac could not do.
I see there being two models:
lesser - (for most workstations, and classroom/teacher machines)
1.83 ghz Core Duo (sooo much cheaper once Core 2 Duo is out)
Integrated graphics
40 GB HD (Most schools have main servers for all acounts and where all data is saved so only software would be on the machine)
Combo Drive
front side USB ports - (most students now use there iPods or flashdrives for data transfer)
Easy open case for upgrades / in-house maintance
better - (for things like CAD, Light video work, and more intense tasks)
2.0 ghz Core Duo
ATI Graphics (of some sort)
120+ GB HD (for video work this is nessasary)
Super Drive
front side USB ports - (most students now use there iPods or flashdrives for data transfer)
Easy open case for upgrades / in-house maintance
With both machines being boxier and heavier than any iMac
I don't expect Apple do make any changes for classroom security reasons, even as school Macs become lighter. With a standard security slot, buyers can insert a standard lock and cable the eMac (or iMac, or whatever its called) to the table.
This actually really isnt all THAT bad...if they give a 17" screen option it would be worth it if indeed the HD and the RAM could be upgraded to what you listed. I'm not sure about the $1000 price tag though. I'm sure it will stay around $800ish. But very nice. I actually had an eMac and they only problem I had with it was the CRT gave off a quiet sqeeling noise that was rediculously annoying when used in my dorm room. So I got a mini.
Josias said:I guess it would be like this:
One eMac model:
1.83 GHz Core 2 Duo
512 MB 667 MHz PC2-5300 DDR2 RAM (if not better, upgradeable to 1/2 GB)
120 GB 3.5" HDD at 7.200 rpm. (upgradeable to 160/200 GB)
Intel GMA/950 128 MB DDR2
15" LCD widescreen display at 1280x800
Buil-in iSight, microphone and stereo-speakers
8x DVD+/-RW/DL SuperDrive
Internal powersupply
(actually same case and connectors as iMac, just thinner)
Ships with ? keyboard and Mighty Mouse
FrontRow
Since it will be a too big compeditor for the Mini, I think it will be around 900-1000 bucks.
I'm pretty sure the emac's ugliness is part of the reason why its sales started to slide, especially compared to the elegance of the other apple machines.
shadowmoses said:
Yeah, except it would cost Apple a lot to offer that, since they currently don't buy any screen of such description, nor do they offer any internal configurations that would allow for such a strangely shaped casing.
mklos said:
I think Apple will use 17" displays so that they don't have to reenginneer their case designs too much. Right now, everything inside the iMac fits just perfectly. If they went for a smaller case for a 15" iMac, they'd have to make the case smaller, but then they'd need to make the case much thicker to compensate for using a smaller screen. I mean, the fact that the inside was originally too small is why there's that bit of extra white space (where the Apple logo is on the iMac) below the screen..........to have more internal space (to fit everything in, and for heat reasons). I'm sure that white space wasn't their first choice, but it offered the engineers more internal space.
I don't really expect a 15" iMac, nor do I expect a 2.5" laptop harddrive because of their cost, nor do I expect iSight or a graphics card. But if they do decide to use a 15.4" widescreen LCD, then expect a different case design to anything we have now ---- or at least a thicker iMac.
the new emac should be a 17" iMac with GMA950 and choice of combo/super drive, keeping it at 17" will mean no new enclosure costs, and allow enough price difference to seperate it from the mini
the imacs should be upgraded to 20" and 23" - i mean who doesnt want a 23" imac?
the imacs should be upgraded to 20" and 23" - i mean who doesnt want a 23" imac?
Like everyone has said, a cut down imac only for education makes the most sense. Integrated graphics, a smaller HD and maybe no optical drive? Core solo most likely. Going to a 15" display is a silly idea considering other manufactures bundle 17" displays.
The education system i work for have an agreement with Apple to buy the 1.83Ghz iMacs at AU$1400 (they sell for $1800 to education) which is a pretty sweet deal. They come with four years onsite warranty as well.
The education system i work for have an agreement with Apple to buy the 1.83Ghz iMacs at AU$1400 (they sell for $1800 to education) which is a pretty sweet deal. They come with four years onsite warranty as well.
I agree. Stay away from glossy screens! I've got a mirror in my room if I need one.Spectrum said:This, just my outspoken opinion about the stupidity of glossy screens.
i agree beauty is in the eye of the beholder, as well as that beauty is not merely an external measurement, but i would have to say that they are not much to look at. Beautiful at heart but...oymacffooky said:
Wy do people think the would re use the iMac G4 design? Companies don't phase out designs and re introducethem years later with newer technology...
Ok, maybe some do.
But, Apple wouldn't reuse an old design.
Ok, maybe some do.
But, Apple wouldn't reuse an old design.
Plymouthbreezer said:Wy do people think the would re use the iMac G4 design? Companies don't phase out designs and re introducethem years later with newer technology...
Ok, maybe some do.
But, Apple wouldn't reuse an old design.
It was a good design in my opinion.
I wonder how creative Apple is going to be with this new Intel "eMac". I was kinda down when they dumped the eMac from the Apple Store because it really was a good machine at a good price. I definetely want to see some specs!
Spectrum said:This, just my outspoken opinion about the stupidity of glossy screens.
i agree... lame idea... but apparently it's catching on.
what would prevent Apple from taking what would essentially be a Mac Mini, slap that onto the back of an LCD screen, enclose that in a curving white plastic, and make spaces for an optical drive and ports? Sounds pretty simple, no need to redesign anything. It could even be the same specs as the Mini if they wanted. No need to extra expenses, but is still all-in-one, stylish, and new.
Plymouthbreezer said:
Yup if you forget these
eMac is an new iMac G3
And the intel switch(not time between but still same idea)
iMac CD-iMac G5
PowerBook-MacBook Pro
Mac Mini G4-Mac Mini intel
Also Steve has been know to do crazy things, who replaces the top selling music player, Steve does
My idea for an intel eMac
15'' iLamp design
$899
1.5Ghz intel Core Dou
80Gb Harddrive
512Mbs
Combo Drive
No iSight
FrontRow
IGG
or 1099
15'''
1.66GHz Core Duo
120Gb Harddrive
512mb RAM
Super Drive
No iSight
FrontRow
IIG
A Mac that's really all-in-one would be a large MacBook, not a small iMac. Why? Because the iMac, like the eMac, uses a separate keyboard and mouse, making two more items that schools might have to secure from theft.
So, odd as it seems, the MacBook form factor, if prevented from being portable, may best suit a classsroom. Of course, it doesn't have to be thin with a flip-up lid, so imagine a fat permanently-open MacBook - that's what could replace the eMac. Who's going to mock one up?
So, odd as it seems, the MacBook form factor, if prevented from being portable, may best suit a classsroom. Of course, it doesn't have to be thin with a flip-up lid, so imagine a fat permanently-open MacBook - that's what could replace the eMac. Who's going to mock one up?
This could be the answer to a question I've had since January. The iMac uses Intel's 945GM chipset (http://www.intel.com/products/chipsets/945gm/index.htm), which has integrated video, even though the iMac doesn't use it.
If Apple took the iMac motherboard and left the GPU socket unpopulated (no x1600 chip), the GMA950 would take over video output. Give it a 1.5Ghz Core Solo, a crappy optical drive, and the cheapest SATA drive available, and Apple could shave $400-$500 of the cost of the machine.
That's my prediction, take it or leave it.
If Apple took the iMac motherboard and left the GPU socket unpopulated (no x1600 chip), the GMA950 would take over video output. Give it a 1.5Ghz Core Solo, a crappy optical drive, and the cheapest SATA drive available, and Apple could shave $400-$500 of the cost of the machine.
That's my prediction, take it or leave it.