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New All-in-One Mac for Education?

I think a big point is the need for a computer that can stand the test of time. We don't use apple at my school, but the computers we use usually have to go 4-5 years before they'll be ugraded. I understand why apple is more expensive, but a school district a lot of times needs the best cheapest solution- apple has to be able to compete in the education arena.
 
celebrian23 said:
I think a big point is the need for a computer that can stand the test of time. We don't use apple at my school, but the computers we use usually have to go 4-5 years before they'll be ugraded.
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Indeed they do. As I said earlier the UK Government gives an aim of 3 years to most schools, it's almost never done, even if they really could do with being replaced. Macs usually last longer...any slight increase in price against their usual cheap PCs could still be better money spent if the machines effectively last longer.
 
I just hope they put the display behind plexiglass or otherwise kid-proof it and make it heavy enough to stay put. Love the flat panel iMacs but they're a bit delicate for the real world of education.
 
jcabs said:
There is real value to Boot Camp. For about $70 a school can buy a Win XP Pro license and now have a lab that is very flexible in terms of software. This may only be a bonus in lab settings, but this is certainly a bonus. I have a lab that I would love to be able to replace with Apples running Boot Camp. The computers run a bunch of Windows only science software for some classes, but for other classes i wish I could use some of the Apple iApps. The machines coul deasily be rebooted in between class periods.
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Be nice if the teacher could reboot all the machines to WinXP (and vice versa) from their desktop (preferably with a "roster" on screen where each machine checks in once successfully rebooted so you can glance and know that all are ready for the class)
 
Many creative apps (Avid for example) won't even run on an AMD because nothing is fully optimized or not optimized for AMD processors, but rather Intel processors.
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Don't know much about Avid - apparently they have a very narrow computer specifications they will work with - their site mentions models and not general specs.

I've never had issues with AMD CPU's - they run everything I throw at them and do it speedily and reliably. And for video encoding and such they smoke most Intels. This is the reason many CGI shops moved to AMD Opterons and Linux for the render farms because they smoke the Xeon...

FragTek said:
Don't get me wrong, I'm an AMD fanboy at heart but you obviously missed the train when the Core Duo's came out. All Core Duo processors, no matter which core (Yonah, Conroe, Merom, etc) all outperform any available AMD processor for s939 or AM2.
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So, you're basing this on unreleased processors, which the only speed benches we have are 1 future Intel system vs the current AMD system where both were supplied by Intel? Sounds like a fair test to me. Please.

Of course the preproduction runs are going to be faster. Of course Intel's going to "rig" it in favor of them (even though no hints could be found) by only allowing certain benchies to be run.

Truth be told, we have no idea what the future will be like for both camps. When the P4 came out, it was supposed to be smoking fast. It was getitng it's butt handed to it by Athlons and even lower clocked P3's.

In fact the new Intels are one of the largest jumps in technology we've seen in quite some time on the grounds of pure speed and performance.
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They are still catching up to AMD on many benchies. And I'd put transparent 64-bits and dual core 64-bit up there as well. As well as AMD having the power/performance lead in server CPU's right now.

From:
http://www.anandtech.com/cpuchipsets/showdoc.aspx?i=2648&p=14

"We continue to see that the Core Duo can offer, clock for clock, overall performance identical to that of AMD's Athlon 64 X2 - without the use of an on-die memory controlle"

Then there's:
http://www.anandtech.com/cpuchipsets/showdoc.aspx?i=2627&p=10

"As a desktop contender, Yonah is a bit of a mixed bag. While its performance in content creation applications has definitely improved over the single core Dothan, it still falls behind the Athlon 64 X2 in a handful of areas. Intel still needs to improve their video encoding and gaming performance, but it looks like we may have to wait for Conroe and Merom for that."

So they are just catching up to an "older" CPU and still can't make the grade in the Desktop area. Yeah, a huge jump...
:confused:

Do a wee bit more research before you go posting bogus crap... Kthx.
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I do, thanks. Came from the PC world. Fortunately, I don't beleive the Gospel of Jobs and Intel. Intel has a history of promising and not delivering - they are the king of the paper launch, you know. Intel's road map may promise you the starts, but from past experience it will be rewritten to barely get you to the next town over.

I'll wait to see what Cornhole and Merummm ship to see what they do. Right now I'm unimpressed and underwhelmed by Intel.
 
Well that would be great if every classroom had enough computers for everyone, but in this world...its just not possible.
 
The problem here is that you are taking a stance with old old information... It's been a looong time since the intel supplied system shootout. Yonah processors are now available on retail shelves along with i975x mobos.

Since the release of Yonah my friends have been testing new Conroe ES's and Core 2 Extreme ES's hot off of the production line. I stay current with the situation, VERY current.

No current AMD processor can hold a candle to the power of any processor from the Core Duo lineup.

http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/showthread.php?t=101190

Have a few looks at the responses and results in that thread. Every world record for every available benchmark has been broken by a Conroe ES. Now, imagine once Intel has finished fine tuning them and put them on the shelf, they'll be even better. People are eating this stuff up. The new Intel lineup is completely amazing and will leave you speachless.

Futuremark just recently (2 days ago iirc) removed all 3dmark results posted by users on Conroe rigs because they dubbed it "unfair" due to lack of availability to the masses. Once they re-allow those results, you can expect every record to be documented and broken by a Core Duo based rig.

http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/showthread.php?t=101321

AMD can't keep up, period. AMD has announced that in Q1 '07 they plan to release a new processor running a completely revamped architecture for AM2 to compete with Intel. But hell, that's a ways off. Viva la Intel!
 
itguy06 said:
Don't know much about Avid - apparently they have a very narrow computer specifications they will work with - their site mentions models and not general specs.

I've never had issues with AMD CPU's - they run everything I throw at them and do it speedily and reliably. And for video encoding and such they smoke most Intels. This is the reason many CGI shops moved to AMD Opterons and Linux for the render farms because they smoke the Xeon...



So, you're basing this on unreleased processors, which the only speed benches we have are 1 future Intel system vs the current AMD system where both were supplied by Intel? Sounds like a fair test to me. Please.

Of course the preproduction runs are going to be faster. Of course Intel's going to "rig" it in favor of them (even though no hints could be found) by only allowing certain benchies to be run.

Truth be told, we have no idea what the future will be like for both camps. When the P4 came out, it was supposed to be smoking fast. It was getitng it's butt handed to it by Athlons and even lower clocked P3's.



They are still catching up to AMD on many benchies. And I'd put transparent 64-bits and dual core 64-bit up there as well. As well as AMD having the power/performance lead in server CPU's right now.

From:
http://www.anandtech.com/cpuchipsets/showdoc.aspx?i=2648&p=14

"We continue to see that the Core Duo can offer, clock for clock, overall performance identical to that of AMD's Athlon 64 X2 - without the use of an on-die memory controlle"

Then there's:
http://www.anandtech.com/cpuchipsets/showdoc.aspx?i=2627&p=10

"As a desktop contender, Yonah is a bit of a mixed bag. While its performance in content creation applications has definitely improved over the single core Dothan, it still falls behind the Athlon 64 X2 in a handful of areas. Intel still needs to improve their video encoding and gaming performance, but it looks like we may have to wait for Conroe and Merom for that."

So they are just catching up to an "older" CPU and still can't make the grade in the Desktop area. Yeah, a huge jump...
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I do, thanks. Came from the PC world. Fortunately, I don't beleive the Gospel of Jobs and Intel. Intel has a history of promising and not delivering - they are the king of the paper launch, you know. Intel's road map may promise you the starts, but from past experience it will be rewritten to barely get you to the next town over.

I'll wait to see what Cornhole and Merummm ship to see what they do. Right now I'm unimpressed and underwhelmed by Intel.
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Just because you found one website, doesn't make the AMD any better. I don't really care what websites report. I know they all say this is as independent as they get, but they can make a tweak here, tweak there to make it sway one way or the other. So I don't care what websites say.

You just sound like a die hard AMD fans who think their (AMD's) crap doesn't stink. Like I said..AMD's are good for one thing and one thing only, Gaming.

Apple always has the option of going AMD in the future and may. Who knows! Nobody knows is AMD will deliver in the future either. Every chip maker has its ups and downs. They can be on top today/tomorrow, and in the crapper 1 year later. Every chip maker will eventually hit a wall and then they gotta do something else to catch up to the competition.
 
I like AMD - I think it’s just the whole under dog mentality, love it! :confused:
(In a way, that’s one of the attractions of Macs - They are different, i.e. not Windows. I like being different.)

Don’t you love opinions based upon fact?

Btw - We've run Avid Liquid on AMD CPU’s; don’t know where this is all coming from. I've never come across any application that won’t run on my AMD windows machine. When sys. requirements say Intel; they generally mean any Windows compatible processor.
 
Has this forum any administrator or moderator?? I read many posts and why those AMD craps posting everywhere and saying AMD is better?

Does anyone much better and well educated then Apple engeneers in cupertino? I don't think so and Apple never goes wrong and lost they name or many. Please calm and give us some space to talk about macs not AMD vs Intel ****!!!
 
mklos said:
You just sound like a die hard AMD fans who think their (AMD's) crap doesn't stink. Like I said..AMD's are good for one thing and one thing only, Gaming.
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Yep. That's the reason Dell recently announced, for the first time ever, they were going to start selling end end servers with AMD chips. Thus ending their exclusive relationship with Intel.

It's the games of course.
 
Highschool Journalism

Hey guys, just thought I'd share my two cents.

This year I'll be a senior in highschool, and editor-in-chief of the school paper. We currently use a three G5 iMacs (20" as a HDD host, and two 17"s for InDesign and Photoshop), and two eMacs (mainly for TextEdit). It's not enough for all the reporters in the class. Now, unlike the school computers, my peers and I have complete admin rights to each of the computers. Right now, the eMacs are fine for story writing, but they just aren't up to snuff for InDesign and Photoshop, meaning we have to resort to several of us cramming around three computers to get design done.

I've been pushing the school/school district to purchase new Powermacs for the class or more G5 iMacs (neither of our needed programs are universal, yet). They take the requests seriously, as we're an awarded and recognized publication, but they refuse due to price constraints.

If Apple were to make a 15-17", 512MB Ram, no optical, 40GB HDD, Core Duo 1.83Ghz in the sub $700 for education, I'm certain we could get two or three in our class. Man, would I love that.:p
 
models to come

This new education mac is expected. If it is fashioned after an iMac, they could call it iMac mini. It woll most likely have the intel Core Duo and the 950 processor. It would make sense to use these since APple will be moving up to the newer intel processors as they arrive.

Also to be expected: two flavors of Mac Pro. One possibly called Mac Pro tower and another called Mac Pro mini. The Mac Pro mini would look something like this:
http://66.134.41.67/~ron/apple/index2.html

This would make sense because then each line would have a mini and a pro option, and then the options within each option when you custom build.

It would also be nice to see an XServe mini, which could be targeted at schools, small businesses, and home media centers:
http://66.134.41.67/~ron/apple/index4.html

Looking forward to more Apple success.
 
ero87 said:
Maybe they'll bring back the form factor of the iMac G4, sticking an intel chip inside? That was a sweet design.
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Yup i agree, an eMac Flatpanel design would look great, but it might be more costly to make. :(

Maybe apple would design this new eMac using the "ipod-in-a-dock" design...

Or maybe something completely different: Can the eMac turn out to be the long-awaited tablet mac? At least one that you can dock?

This would be useful in higher education: specially for genomics, architecture and the like.

As for schools, the touchscreen interactive feature would be a big bonus.
 
This isn't real scientific proof, but our Apple rep always sends out an email with blowout prices for things just before they announce a new product. Right now they are getting $625 for a CD eMac.

Our school is looking to upgrade (we are still using 5500's :eek: in some instances) and we will wait. There is nothing like being on the trail end with your "new" computers.

One of the things I am going to push is the fact that an iMac can run windoze. For some, this is a good thing. Here's to the new eMac running windoze as well.
 
kresh said:
Yep. That's the reason Dell recently announced, for the first time ever, they were going to start selling end end servers with AMD chips. Thus ending their exclusive relationship with Intel.

It's the games of course.
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Just another reason why Dell sucks!
 
dontmatter said:
What about the emac made it fail? What about this computer will be different in that respect?
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It's got to be an RoHS nightmare, and the deadline is July. Notice what model is conspicuously absent here.
 
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