dontmatter said:
Nothing made it fail, it's just outdated. Apple still even has it on the webpage:
http://www.apple.com/education/emac/
It still looks great though, for a machine that has had a design virtually untouched since 1998!
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Nothing made it fail, it's just outdated. Apple still even has it on the webpage:
http://www.apple.com/education/emac/
It still looks great though, for a machine that has had a design virtually untouched since 1998!
Here's my prediction:
17" iMac becomes the eMac. We get a new iMac redesign. Solves all your problems.
17" iMac becomes the eMac. We get a new iMac redesign. Solves all your problems.
Except price. Unless they can take a $500-600 (~40-46%!) hit on the current iMac's price, it's not a good option.Atlasland said:
Apple's also going to have to add some more RAM than they are currently putting in. 256 MB is not enough for the eMac to run alot of educational software.
See site:
http://www.apple.com/education/promos/emac/
See site:
http://www.apple.com/education/promos/emac/
matticus008 said:
Totally. iMac for MacBook money minus iSight, Bluetooth etc would provide a serious competitor to the sort of offers Dell and other Edu. dealers offer.
Agreed.codo said:
Just checked out their site.codo said:
Their RM One (All in One) starts with a Celeron, 256MB RAM, 40GB HD, 15 inch LCD (17 inch option) and no optical drive.
Their RM Ascend PC starts with a Celeron, 256MB RAM, 40GB HD, 17 inch CRT and no optical drive.
Most interesting.
sushi said:
Absolutely, they are very poor computers. The school I used to attend purchased their laptops and had Dell desktops and those RM things would literally take about 5 minuets to boot brand new. But the budgets are just so small, this is all they can afford in combination with the support services they would have to purchase additionally as well as servers etc. I’m not talking about a poor state school either. A medium sized thousand or so pupils average high school with good results and receiving a steady stream of money.
Predictably, schools have two tier computers.
The "labs" that provide internet access and word processing for general ICT lessons - This market I feel will remain PC based in the UK for some time (i.e. Dell and RM). Schools don’t have the budget for anything else.
You then have the slightly more powerful computers used in Media/Arts/Design & Technology/Engineering. Now when I say powerful, I don’t mean by many of our standards, I’m talking school budget powerful. I could see Macs filling this role perfectly with the eMac if it was priced right with enough punch for encoding and design software.
macgeek2005 said:
Do you think? I'm not so sure - I mean it is quite elegant. If they could get rid of that thick bit below the screen, it would look even more amazing I think.
codo said:
I think it'll happen! They said the same thing about the very elegant iMac G4 ("can't be bettered" etc. See my post 148).
Apple will continue to evolve & alter the design of all their computers, partly because they know we can't resist them. But it would also be going against the spirit & reputation of Apple not to do so.
Some people still prefer the design of the iMac G4 over the current one, but that hasn't stopped the G5/Intel model being a roaring success. That's Apple! Great company, great products &, the only thing for sure is, nothing stays the same for too long! Expect a new iMac anytime within the next 2 years.
Honestly, instead of the all-in-one models, I wish Apple would make a nice display that a mini could dock into and then upgrade the specs on the mini to make allow it to replace the iMac's price point. The low end would be the eMac replacement, and you would still have the option of BYOKMD like the current minis.
I think this would be good because it would 1) simplify the lineup while at the same time increasing the options 2) it would lead to more sales of displays from Apple instead of Dell and other vendors.
I'm positive that Apple could design a really nice solution to dock the mini into a display that didn't look like ass (i.e, something from dell).
Anyone else want to see something like this?
I think this would be good because it would 1) simplify the lineup while at the same time increasing the options 2) it would lead to more sales of displays from Apple instead of Dell and other vendors.
I'm positive that Apple could design a really nice solution to dock the mini into a display that didn't look like ass (i.e, something from dell).
Anyone else want to see something like this?
SmileyDude said:
Nice idea, but don't see it happening. The mini's appeal is strongly marketed at potential switchers from PCs, people who already have monitors, keyboards, etc.
Apple designing a mini-specific monitor would adversely affect that potential market.
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For apple to really compete with the PC edu market, they will have to create a $500-$600 computer.
Very few schools will shell out $1000 per computer when they can go off and buy 2 PC's for the same price. Thats exactly what my school did.
Very few schools will shell out $1000 per computer when they can go off and buy 2 PC's for the same price. Thats exactly what my school did.
gregorsamsa said:
Yes, currently the mini is strongly marketed at switchers. But, that is strictly a marketing decision. Not one that is locked in due to technical constraints.
Also, I don't think the monitor has to be mini-specific. I'm sure apple could design a general purpose monitor that could accommodate a mini dock of sorts. Dell does it with some of their monitors for their small PCs (I saw a few used at one of the local furniture stores) -- it was the same monitor that we have at work that came with a mid-size Dell tower. But, as usual, Dell didn't do a great job integrating it, IMO. Apple could do much better.
I find the mini very frustrating, myself -- it has the perfect form factor, IMO. But, Apple gives it the low end of the CPU and hard drive offerings. I'm not even going to bring up video here, but why isn't Apple offering a 7200RPM HD version with a Dual Core 2.0Ghz CPU? Are they afraid of eating into the iMac sales?
If that's the case, then why not split the iMac into monitor and machine, and simply use the mini form factor with a nice display? They can even sell the combo together as the iMac. It instantly allows them to offer a low end iMac (15" display, Core Solo, 5400RPM drive, Combo Drive) and a high end (20" display, 2.0Ghz Core Duo, 7200RPM, DL Superdrive, iSight) and everything in between. You can even have high end guts with a 15" display, or vice versa. And, when the inevitable happens, you can swap the guts with the latest Mac mini and not get rid of that nice monitor you bought.
Honestly, I don't expect it to happen either, but if any company could pull it off, it's Apple.
You're probably wrong here.Multimedia said:
I just bought a brand new Pentium III system. Intel's still selling PIII's to the people who want them.
Much of Intel's OEM business demands multi-year availability of product - some companies won't even consider a chip without a guarantee of being able to buy it for 3 years.
If all you need is a 32-bit low power dual-core chip, Merom has no added value. You'll want to lock-in a multi-year Yonah contract.
Ego.SmileyDude said:
M 2¢
I have always thought that the eMac was what the 2nd generation iMac was going to be. Jobs told a story of Ives coming to him with the NEW iMAC and said "No, it's not unique enough. Go back and come up with something else." He even talked about his thought that it should look more a sunflower. Not long after the 2nd gen iMacs came out, they came out with the eMac and I thought "A-ha! It was not good for the iMac, but it was too good to scrap altogether!" Of course, it doesn't matter it I was right or wrong but it was a good solid computer for the time it lasted which was quite some time.
I have always thought that the eMac was what the 2nd generation iMac was going to be. Jobs told a story of Ives coming to him with the NEW iMAC and said "No, it's not unique enough. Go back and come up with something else." He even talked about his thought that it should look more a sunflower. Not long after the 2nd gen iMacs came out, they came out with the eMac and I thought "A-ha! It was not good for the iMac, but it was too good to scrap altogether!" Of course, it doesn't matter it I was right or wrong but it was a good solid computer for the time it lasted which was quite some time.
SmileyDude said:
My post #29:
My prediction/guess has been/is a detuned 17" imac core duo, smaller hd, combo (superdrive also available for video lab work), no isight (trouble in a school setting) which could be available almost immediately for fall semester purchasing. My prediction/hope is that the new imac will be a larger form mini which will dock to a cinema display w/ isight (and available only as a unit), but which can be removed and carried to tv room (who wants the distraction/style of the present imac by tv). May be possible to also buy isight enabled cinema displays separately to which minis can dock.
So Aiden, You Think MacBook Will Remain Yonah Into 2007?
Multimedia said:
So Aiden, You Think MacBook Will Remain Yonah Into 2007?AidenShaw said:
Multimedia said:
Actually no, I was referring to the existing Core Duos which will be even cheaper once the Core 2 Duos are released. Apple can't/won't stick Core 2 Duos in everything right off the bat, so I think Yonah will be around for a little while yet, at least into early 2007 before Apple transitions them fully out of their product line.
Mind you, Apple has been good at keeping on the ball with frequent updates so far (better than their usual 6 month update cycle
) so I suppose anything is possible. That being said, my guess (and of course I could be wrong ) is that to keep costs as low as possible for these new eMacs, Apple will stick Core Duos in them and slowly migrate their other products to the Core 2 Duos.We'll see...
First and foremost, I think that "Intel isn't making Yonahs anymore" won't be a factor.Multimedia said:So Aiden, You Think MacBook Will Remain Yonah Into 2007?
Second, I've said repeatedly that Apple should kill Yonah as soon as possible and go to an all 64-bit lineup.
Third, in the end it will be marketing and market segmentation - Apple might decide to cripple the low end with 32-bit CPUs long after the mainstream goes 64-bit.
You can't apply logic to marketing decisions....
Education
This is great news. A purpose built Mac for education purposes and budgets. What I wouldn't have given to be educated on a mac instead of wasting years & $$$$ on a PC.
This is great news. A purpose built Mac for education purposes and budgets. What I wouldn't have given to be educated on a mac instead of wasting years & $$$$ on a PC.