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New apple ceo likes flash?
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If Apple gets rid of Safari then what will they ship with Mac OSX? Will they go back to internet explorer and netscape?
computers are being built differently than in the past so they react negatively to flash with heat etc. In the past flash was integral and no one even thought to complain about it or had reason to. Then sj changed all that. I think theres a safari extension that allows you to turn flash on or off. Has anyone used it?
I know a thing or two about web standards (CS degree, lead software engineer at the company I work for, many years experience coding in all sorts of languages). I won't say flash sucks, but it definitely wasn't designed for mobile devices or touchscreens. I've never seen a single mobile device that flash works properly on (meaning more than a few specific use cases). In my opinion, allowing flash on iOS only removes a very large incentive for sites to stop using flash or provide alternatives to it, thereby increasing the amount of time that we have to deal with sites that don't work on mobile devices with touch screens. I would prefer to just know flash wasn't going to work than expect it to work and then find all of the sites where it doesn't.
Also, flash is not a standard.
I remember when me and my friends used to make the computers at school crash by playing Balloons Tower Defense 4. As you progressed through the game it become more and more resource intensive. After half an hour the computer had slowed to a crawl, and by the time the period was over the computer was at a standstill...
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GOD I hope not.. Steve will 'flip over in his grave' ..
Better things to come than that I hope!!
Actually is very easy to install a version of flash that does not support application development. This has nothing to do with the pig that is Flash.
Flash is dead. Long live HTML 5.
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Interesting to see so many apple fanboys condemn flash as if it were the most evil thing out there. I wonder if it has anything to do with the fact that it was steve jobs that waged war on flash and the lemming behavior followed?
Lets try and be objective here for a change, shall we?
1) HTML5 and CSS3 are not standards. And they wont be for years to come. Projected COMPLETE standard date is set for 2022.
2) Removing flash and replacing it with CSS3/HTML5 will not magically make processing disappear. It still requires processing power. Watch youre CPU usage go up with this HTML5/CSS3 animation: http://www.optimum7.com/internet-ma...erman-ipad-cartoon-jquery-html5-no-flash.html
3) HTML5/CSS3 will *not* completely replace Flash. Try doing this in HTML5 and CSS3: http://www.aviary.com/
4) While Flash may not be needed for some of you, it is required/wanted for others. And this is the part I have trouble with Mac evangelicals the most:
Does choice not exist in your vocabulary?
God forbid you were given the choice to have or NOT have flash or any other 3rd party plugin on a device for a browser. Would someone elses usage of flash on their iPhone somehow completely destroy your own experience on an iPhone without it? Its almost as if that very word, choice, doesnt sit well with so many of you. Oh no! 'Freedom!' whatever shall you do when you have options?? Don't like Flash? Simple, don't install it. I don't, and I'm an android user and even have flashblock in Firefox on my Macbook (now try calling ME a fanboy/biased).
I really can't believe the narrowminded sheep-like attitude from so many mac users; 'Steve Jobs said, it must be true.' Where did critical thinking go for you guys?
While Flash my suck on CPU usage and battery life on mobile devices, NOTHING will change for anyone anti-flash if others wish to have the OPTION of installing it. But hey, apparently HTML5/CSS3 with limited functionality is supposed to be superior to Flash in every way, despite the fact that it took HTML 20 years to get video support, and its STILL not a standard. Flash has had video for years now, and even included 7.1 Audio. Apparently, these benefits are completely irrelevant?
Flash is great when used properly and the animation/action scripting is done well. To completely denounce flash and call it dead is nothing short of ignorance.
Lets try and be objective here for a change, shall we?
1) HTML5 and CSS3 are not standards. And they wont be for years to come. Projected COMPLETE standard date is set for 2022.
2) Removing flash and replacing it with CSS3/HTML5 will not magically make processing disappear. It still requires processing power. Watch youre CPU usage go up with this HTML5/CSS3 animation: http://www.optimum7.com/internet-ma...erman-ipad-cartoon-jquery-html5-no-flash.html
3) HTML5/CSS3 will *not* completely replace Flash. Try doing this in HTML5 and CSS3: http://www.aviary.com/
4) While Flash may not be needed for some of you, it is required/wanted for others. And this is the part I have trouble with Mac evangelicals the most:
Does choice not exist in your vocabulary?
God forbid you were given the choice to have or NOT have flash or any other 3rd party plugin on a device for a browser. Would someone elses usage of flash on their iPhone somehow completely destroy your own experience on an iPhone without it? Its almost as if that very word, choice, doesnt sit well with so many of you. Oh no! 'Freedom!' whatever shall you do when you have options?? Don't like Flash? Simple, don't install it. I don't, and I'm an android user and even have flashblock in Firefox on my Macbook (now try calling ME a fanboy/biased).
I really can't believe the narrowminded sheep-like attitude from so many mac users; 'Steve Jobs said, it must be true.' Where did critical thinking go for you guys?
While Flash my suck on CPU usage and battery life on mobile devices, NOTHING will change for anyone anti-flash if others wish to have the OPTION of installing it. But hey, apparently HTML5/CSS3 with limited functionality is supposed to be superior to Flash in every way, despite the fact that it took HTML 20 years to get video support, and its STILL not a standard. Flash has had video for years now, and even included 7.1 Audio. Apparently, these benefits are completely irrelevant?
Flash is great when used properly and the animation/action scripting is done well. To completely denounce flash and call it dead is nothing short of ignorance.
No, the biggest complaint about the iPad from people who don't own it is that it doesn't have Flash. Those of us who do own it, realize it is a non-issue.
Lets get a few things clear... when Flash is spiking high on the CPU, generally its the fault of the developer most times. Run the debugger player and see all the poorly written apps. As a developer, I've written a number of apps that perform well and cause no drain, other than HD video playback CPU spike. With Flash 11, thats a problem of the past. Ex: http://nissan-stagejuk3d.com/
The damage has been done with Flash, Adobe took too long to address many of the issues with Flash. My problem is the wrong perception most users have of Flash, which is from bad experiences with the plug-in, likely from inexperienced/careless devs. I don't see Flash dying any time soon, but I do so other options that do not rely on a plug-in. Flash is still great for certain things and that will still have a place until other platforms allow for such an expereince.
Most content in Flash is not made for tablets, or touch. Shifting current web content to the iPad would be a mistake. Most apps will need to be altered to perform in a manner that is acceptable.
The damage has been done with Flash, Adobe took too long to address many of the issues with Flash. My problem is the wrong perception most users have of Flash, which is from bad experiences with the plug-in, likely from inexperienced/careless devs. I don't see Flash dying any time soon, but I do so other options that do not rely on a plug-in. Flash is still great for certain things and that will still have a place until other platforms allow for such an expereince.
Most content in Flash is not made for tablets, or touch. Shifting current web content to the iPad would be a mistake. Most apps will need to be altered to perform in a manner that is acceptable.
Flash sucks for a variety of reasons, but more than anything I look at how many vulnerabilities are continually discovered for it. It is a security nightmare. Not that other standards and technologies aren't, but it is a standout.
Wow.
Quite something, isn't it? Good job quoting just that part of my post.
Honestly I think you regard yourself somehow as superior to those who agree with something Apple does. This is called having an opinion, please stop always generalizing this as fanboyism, it is quite annoying indeed.
*Cut away the part that leads to this conclusion*
You're right, choice is good. I think we can therefore agree that alternatives to flash are direly needed, to let the consumer choose whatever standard they want to use. However, to be able to introduce new standards next to flash, I think it is necessary to more or less force the market away from it. So, given the popularity of iDevices, companies will now finally do their best to incorporate alternatives to flash (HTML 5 being the prime example), since that will provide them with a competitive advantage. Had iDevices supported flash, where would be the incentive? You see, that's the thing here. Freedom simply doesn't work.
Critical thinking? Please refer to the above. And for god's sake, stop with the fanboy nonsense.
Flash works perfectly on my firesale hp touchpad. No slowdown, no heat, no battery drop other than the fact that the hp tp has a lousy battery to begin with.
I had an ipad1 and now have an ipad2 and will most likely jget an ipad3 but the lack of flash for certain things is definitely an issue for me. The two alternate browsers that do flash on tne ipad do it poorly. I bought a firesale hp touchpad 32 gb for $149 that runs webos and it does flash beautifully without a problem.so flash can work nicely on a tablet device. Its just that sj had a hardon for it.
I wouldn't mind being able to watch embedded videos on my iPhone...more like the sooner a viable and complete alternative to flash shows up, the better.
Don't forget that mac flash is crippled due to blocked access to hardware. This is a security choice from Apple. Believe it or not, there are many benchmarks that show windows flash actually using less processing power to play the same content as a mac does with HTML 5. There is also a lot more badly/non optimised flash apps out there.
Steve disliked Adobe for several reasons:
"Resource hogging"
No quality control on flash apps
Their internet dominance (and our growing dependancy on a single company)
and I suspect a few personal reasons he never mentioned connected to the sour relationship with Apple. He obviously didn't like the way they worked when he called them lazy.
Adobe have been kicked into gear lately and in recent versions they have genuinely improved the flash player greatly where they can. Unfortunately, for whatever reasons, the windows version is still much more optimised than the mac.
Steve Jobs made it very clear that he disliked flash, but he was also famously unpredictable and has been known to change his mind or admit to being proven wrong on countless occasions (forcing improvement by being an arsehole was one of his most magic abilities). I am more concerned that if adobe was to finally get an acceptable mobile version out, where Steve might have one day said "okay this is much better, let's talk", Tim Cook may be too afraid to veer from what he thinks is Steve's preferred path and fail to make a correct u-turn.
Steve disliked Adobe for several reasons:
"Resource hogging"
No quality control on flash apps
Their internet dominance (and our growing dependancy on a single company)
and I suspect a few personal reasons he never mentioned connected to the sour relationship with Apple. He obviously didn't like the way they worked when he called them lazy.
Adobe have been kicked into gear lately and in recent versions they have genuinely improved the flash player greatly where they can. Unfortunately, for whatever reasons, the windows version is still much more optimised than the mac.
Steve Jobs made it very clear that he disliked flash, but he was also famously unpredictable and has been known to change his mind or admit to being proven wrong on countless occasions (forcing improvement by being an arsehole was one of his most magic abilities). I am more concerned that if adobe was to finally get an acceptable mobile version out, where Steve might have one day said "okay this is much better, let's talk", Tim Cook may be too afraid to veer from what he thinks is Steve's preferred path and fail to make a correct u-turn.
Maybe, yes. But it's still a likely factor - more so because it's hypocritical.