That's part of using beta software. You agree that things may change and that they may not be permanent.
This is exactly why Apple stresses you do not run beta software on your main machine or production computer.
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New Apple File System Coming in macOS High Sierra Won't Work With Fusion Drives
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That's part of using beta software. You agree that things may change and that they may not be permanent.
This is exactly why Apple stresses you do not run beta software on your main machine or production computer.
This seems to be way too much unclarity around. Think I pass the HS for awhile. This is not how a release of a new OS should proceed. I'll wait until the got their **** together at HQ
Seems like they are to busy with other things to release a new OS that actually is really worked through and ready for major public release.
This they should've known long time ago, not just before release.
They did. This is not news. The release notes of an older beta of the system alerted users that Fusion Drive were not supported anymore. Let the betas to the users the are intended for (developers) and you won't incur in any issue.
Wow, it looks like the crap fusion drive will be going away after all. Yay!! I've had such bad experiences with those drives that all I have is SSD drives. I'm glad that someday they won't be an option at all.
People have been using HFS+ on Macs since 1998. It is not the end of the world if you have to use it another year or two.
I would still buy a large Fusion Drive today even if Apple said that APFS never would be supported on a Fusion Drive. To me the pros of a Fusion Drive is just bigger than the cons, and continuing to run HFS+ does not change that equation at all.
So after reading this article I called Apple tech support. I have the late 2015, 4K 21.5" iMac with the fusion drive. They created a ticket to research this article. I should note that the tech support agent from Apple said this is the first he's heard of this issue. I have a call back set for a few hours from now after they do research on the ticket. Would Apple honestly release something that doesn't fully work with their newer products?
That is not uncommon for beta software.
In fact, you can say the beta testing worked. Something was not good enough for final release and it got thrown out. You helped Apple and its customers by being a willing guinea pig.
Thank you.
Amen! All the hand wringing over nearly nothing. It seems that they will be supported in the future, just not at launch. Much better way to go than to hold the OS to get this bit fixed when a huge majority of users won't be affected.
Ok ..... so GM HS is not ready for prime time. That is not what concerns me. As a long time Apple customer the recent Marketing blunders does wave a note of caution on Apple's Leadership. I must come to accept Apple is an iPhone business, laptops and iMacs are not in their strategic plan, evidence iTunes 12.7 (I do not know what is really going on with iTunes 12.7, need to figure it out .... ), what is the story on T-Moblie and iPhone 8?, fusion drives .... all paint an ugly Apple picture. Taking a step back you must admit this is not the Apple we knew, I love my iMac, iPads and iPhones. For now, I will see if Apple fixes these blunders but am looking at my options when upgrade phones and systems. Apple is not to big to fail.
As someone who has a fusion drive and been running it since the first public beta I’d say this perfectly discribes my issues.
I read somewhere on the developer forums that APFS support for older drives is likely to come in a future patch.
I'm guessing Apple doesn't give a rat's patoot about jerry-rigged user hacked abortions like the split fusion drive. It won't be converted to APFS, and you can take that to the bank. The SSD part of the fusion drive won't be converted.
Guys! Of course the new OS will still work. In the worst case, you have to use the old file system. And Time Machine will work. In the worst case, it will use HFS+. The new APFS is cool, but it's non-essential. And it's not even going far enough. It's not even close to what we call Next Generation File System. There is no error correction in APFS, not even error-checking. If a single bit flips in your magnetic drive, you won't even notice it, you'll never know until something crashes, or your document won't open anymore.
Update: APFS probably won't work with FileVault, either. That's a bummer, because most of us encrypt our whole drives on our laptops. So APFS is so far from a real Next Generation File System, I wonder if we should even bother with it at this point. It supports no encryption (File Vault), no error checking / data integrity, no spinning drives / fusion drives, no Time Machine. It's too little too late.
Update: APFS probably won't work with FileVault, either. That's a bummer, because most of us encrypt our whole drives on our laptops. So APFS is so far from a real Next Generation File System, I wonder if we should even bother with it at this point. It supports no encryption (File Vault), no error checking / data integrity, no spinning drives / fusion drives, no Time Machine. It's too little too late.
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[doublepost=1505773953][/doublepost]Kind of late in the game for an old fart like
When macOS High Sierra is released to the public next week, the new Apple File System (APFS) feature will be limited to Macs with all-flash built-in storage, which means it won't work with iMacs that include Fusion Drives.
iMacs with Fusion Drives were converted to APFS during the beta testing process in the first macOS High Sierra beta, but support was removed in subsequent betas and not reimplemented.
With the release of the Golden Master version of the software, Apple has confirmed APFS will not be available for Fusion Drives and has provided instructions for converting from APFS back to the standard HFS+ format.
Public Beta testers who had an iMac with a Fusion Drive converted to APFS will need to follow a long list of instructions to convert back to HFS+, including making a Time Machine Backup, creating a bootable installer, and using Disk Utility to reformat their iMacs and reinstall macOS High Sierra.
Apple on September 5 published a support document confirming compatibility. When customers with an all-flash machine upgrade to macOS High Sierra install the update next week, their drives will be converted to AFPS. Apple explicitly says "Fusion Drives and hard disk drives aren't converted."
Apple says APFS will not be supported on Fusion Drives "in the initial release of macOS High Sierra," which suggests support could be added for Fusion Drives at a later date after lingering bugs are worked out.
Apple File System is a more modern file system than HFS+ and is optimized for solid state drives. It is safe and secure, offering crash protection, safe document saves, stable snapshots, simplified backups, and strong native encryption.
It's also more responsive than HFS+ with features like instant file and directory cloning, fast directory sizing, high performance parallelized metadata operations, and sparse file writes.
Apple plans to release macOS High Sierra on Monday, September 25.
Article Link: New Apple File System Coming in macOS High Sierra Won't Work With Fusion Drives
Agree, we just disagree on timeframe pretty much.
I don't see the organization that Apple have been so good at, there at this moment in time.
To much stuff that don't feel as solid as to what I recognize as Apple.
But I'll wait until I feel comfortable to upgrade HS. I want to have solid answers. But fine IF they draw away something that doesn't work.
Still think that should've been clearer, earlier. My point of view
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Yeah, I have a friend on the App Store management team (that's the group that gathers the feedback from the PB users and passes them into their incident system). He had told me that out of all the PUBLIC BETA testers, fewer than 1% ever open and submit a feedback report of any kind.
Basically goes to show most PB testers aren't doing it to help anyone except for themselves.
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Huh? You didn't read my post, or you clicked reply to the wrong one. I understand what a beta is. My post was criticizing those who don't. I assume you clicked reply to the wrong post.
Yeah, I have a friend on the App Store management team (that's the group that gathers the feedback from the PB users and passes them into their incident system). He had told me that out of all the PUBLIC BETA testers, fewer than 1% ever open and submit a feedback report of any kind.
Basically goes to show most PB testers aren't doing it to help anyone except for themselves.
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Huh? You didn't read my post, or you clicked reply to the wrong one. I understand what a beta is. My post was criticizing those who don't. I assume you clicked reply to the wrong post.
And if anyone using that tool comes in here to complain about data loss, I hope they're treated quite roughly...Wouldn't count on it getting it later - I've followed Apple for a while, this is the kind of thing they pull to entice you into upgrading. Macs are lasting too long.
If it's anything like Continuity the hackers will release a tool to force it to work sooner or later
Watch the Key Note ... if you missed where he showed "supports all macs that support Sierra" then that's your issue.
The single sign on was a big deal. And if you go back to WWDC and watch when they were talking about iOS, the feature that got the most applause and cheers was when he announced peer to peer Apple pay payments.
Not sure why you're so defensive of apple. Beginning to wonder if we have some employees on here defending the mediocrity. Apple has gotten a LOT of passes the last couple years. When you pay for a product or service, you have a right to rely on features promised. If you disagree, you may want to consider why you pay a premium for something and get complacency from your vendor.
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I remember when this site was people who were fans of Apple and not defenders of every stupid decision they make. Of course that was when iOS has an actual legit piece of the world marketshare, and when Mac users used them because their power, not because their friends said they were cool.
Why not just switch now and find happiness sooner, rather than later? That would be my plan if I felt that way.
Yes, one would think so. But Apple's Software Engineers had other priorities. They were busy programming this:
When macOS High Sierra is released to the public next week, the new Apple File System (APFS) feature will be limited to Macs with all-flash built-in storage, which means it won't work with iMacs that include Fusion Drives.
iMacs with Fusion Drives were converted to APFS during the beta testing process in the first macOS High Sierra beta, but support was removed in subsequent betas and not reimplemented.
With the release of the Golden Master version of the software, Apple has confirmed APFS will not be available for Fusion Drives and has provided instructions for converting from APFS back to the standard HFS+ format.
Public Beta testers who had an iMac with a Fusion Drive converted to APFS will need to follow a long list of instructions to convert back to HFS+, including making a Time Machine Backup, creating a bootable installer, and using Disk Utility to reformat their iMacs and reinstall macOS High Sierra.
Apple on September 5 published a support document confirming compatibility. When customers with an all-flash machine upgrade to macOS High Sierra install the update next week, their drives will be converted to AFPS. Apple explicitly says "Fusion Drives and hard disk drives aren't converted."
Apple says APFS will not be supported on Fusion Drives "in the initial release of macOS High Sierra," which suggests support could be added for Fusion Drives at a later date after lingering bugs are worked out.
Apple File System is a more modern file system than HFS+ and is optimized for solid state drives. It is safe and secure, offering crash protection, safe document saves, stable snapshots, simplified backups, and strong native encryption.
It's also more responsive than HFS+ with features like instant file and directory cloning, fast directory sizing, high performance parallelized metadata operations, and sparse file writes.
Apple plans to release macOS High Sierra on Monday, September 25.
Article Link: New Apple File System Coming in macOS High Sierra Won't Work With Fusion Drives
mean while the mystery still remains for raid volumes, i will have to call shaggy and Scooby, maybe they call solve this one for me, like a said before is El Crapitan all over again , i really love apple but many pro users like raid because it increases disk speed, i can create a iram disk and get around 2500 mbps but my 4 samsung 960 in raid0 can go over 10,000 mbps almost 11,000 that 4 times faster than ram disk and not only that also higher storage capacity. so i can deal with big files, anyway soft raid claim that they will have raid support for APFS shortly after HS launch, that's the good news, the bad news is that is not a free app, thanks Tim can't for you to leave. macs are beautiful and have a very nice os in mac os but some people like insane hardcore speed and you are taking that away.
Yes because the same engineers that worked on this also work on APFS. Very logical.