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It’s truly absurd, especially since everything about any credit card is linked to your social. Really should not be that difficult to change the Apple ID it’s associated with. I will not go through the headache of canceling the card and then reapplying. It’s looking like once I consolidate my Apple IDs to have all purchases and services on one, I will still use my second Apple ID for wallet and Apple Pay... not sure if this is even a possibility.
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I am still wondering what will happen to existing subscriptions. Can someone get AppleOne besides all existing possibilities or will it change to being the one and only model? Could not find any info on apple.com about that.
I know the whole two apple id is as first world problem as first world problems go. That said, I came across Tim Cook's email. For all the good it will do, I am going to send Tim a nice message about my frustrations around this issue. I don't expect that Apple will offer an option to merge accounts anytime soon, if ever. That will not be the point of my message to Tim though. Basically, I am going to ask for clarification on what Apple's official guidance will be for those of us with two apple IDs (possible an apple card tied to one of them) who want to subscribe to one of Apple's upcoming service plans. I thought I would share this here for those with a similar issue to offer any input on the message. The main questions I am asking...
- Are there any plans to allow merging of Apple IDs?
- If not, will there be any official guidance released explaining to those in this situation that want to subscribe to an Apple service bundle what we should do?
- What would be your steps forward if you yourself were in this situation?
Nope I think he’s basing it on the fact that Apple basically outlines the oxygen feature is not for medical use or any kind of self diagnoses. So what is purpose? To mislead people and sell more watches.
Otherwise it should be presented as a purely entertainment feature.
Because it can still give a general idea of blood oxygen levels, which is useful and not an "entertainment feature". What is known is that reading from the wrist are not going to be as accurate as reading from a finger tip. Blood runs closer to the surface of a finger tip than it does in the wrist, hence they can't say the BO sensor is for medical use. It is kind of the same thing for the ECG feature. The fact that the apple watch can not test multiple points for the ECG means it is more of a general reference. That said, the ECG feature has been shown to be surprisingly accurate. His comment was clearly meant to be a bit inflammatory as well rather than informative.
The Apple Music Family plan is already cheaper than 2 yearly individual plans.
It doesn't explicitly say that in the T&C's. It says no more than one can be combined i.e you can't buy 5 devices in one year, which would give 5 years or 5 separate subs on the go at one time. The guidance is here ; https://support.apple.com/en-gb/HT210627
"How to get Apple TV+
- Make sure that you have an Apple device, smart TV, streaming device or AirPlay-enabled TV that's compatible with the Apple TV app. If you're using an Apple device, make sure that it has latest version of iOS or iPadOS, macOS or tvOS.
- On your compatible device, open the Apple TV app. If you're using an eligible Apple device, you may see a message to redeem your Apple TV+ promotion.
- Go to Watch Now, scroll down to the channels section and then select Apple TV+.
- Tap or click the trial offer (one trial per person or family).2
- Sign in with the Apple ID and password that you use to make purchases. If you don't have an Apple ID, choose Create New Apple ID and follow the steps to create one.3
- If asked, confirm your billing information and add a valid payment method. Then choose Confirm. If prompted, agree to the terms and conditions.
On point 4 it says check 2. "
- The Apple TV app and Apple TV+ availability may vary by country and region. Find out what’s available in your country or region.
- You can now get Apple TV+ free for one year when you buy a new iPhone, iPad, iPod touch, Apple TV or Mac. Learn more about this offer and how to redeem it.
- If you're asked for a verification code, you have two-factor authentication set up for your Apple ID. Learn about two-factor authentication and what to do if you still can't sign in.
Why would it say 1 per person or per family & then link to saying you can get it for 1 year when buying a new device. T&C's state that you agree to being billed after it ends & if cancelling in a free period you can't reactivate that specific offer, nothing about a new one.
Unless it explicitly says, you can't let the year lapse, pay one month and take it again with a new device or available 1 time only, I'd say it can be done. Has anyone had chance to try it yet or is there any other guidance that states this or are we too early to test it?
So by your analysis, in those countries where the local authorities have not yet approved the EKG feature, it is meaningless and inaccurate? Got it. Like many things regulated by the FDA, without pre-clearance, one cannot make any claims as to its efficacy. There have been many SPO2 sensors that have been sold without pre-clearance because they did not want the expense of FDA certification (almost all of which have tested to be within the requirements for certification). Unless you can demonstrate some evidence that this is "meaningless and inaccurate" your statements are just so much speculation.
To provide data to educated consumers (mostly athletes and pilots) at launch, and once it has been certified to provide alerts and data to medical professionals.
It’s not my job to prove the feature is worthwhile. It’s apples. They haven’t done so. In fact all they have done is downplay its worth in the fine print.
Perhaps you should email Apple and they’ll provide you some additional info or studies. Until then it’s best to consider it an entertainment feature at best. If you find such a feature entertaining lol.
"Only one offer per Family, regardless of number of devices purchased."
If you (or the person whose views you were repeating and supporting) state the feature is “meaningless and inaccurate” you need to prove your position. You are making a claim that you need to support.
To be clear, he (and through your support of his position) did not say: “We do not know how accurate this feature is, nor if it can provide any actionable data.” He stated it was “meaningless and inaccurate.” Those are specific claims that need to be supported to be taken seriously.
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Spoken like an Apple attorney, are you?
I worked in medical electronics my entire carrier and have seen oximetry developed from its inception at HP using 9 colors of light thru fiber optics from a huge box, to a big ear probe. It was many years later until engineers distilled the systems down to two colors of light that resolve saturated blood oxygen, measured at the peak of an arterial pulse. This was done on finger tips, ears tips, nose etc. where sharper arterial pulses could be detected. It was years later still before engineers applied higher math, fast Fourier transfer, to resolve the peak pulse reliably.
It's come a long way in 45 years, and in all this time it was NEVER dome on the back of the wrist. My guess is that it will take a metric buttload of correlation data to get this thru the FDA as a medical device. If it's possible, I'm sure Apple could do it in time.
For now you get a relative oxigen value, good for trending your own numbers over time.
Massimo, a respected SPO2 maker, just released a consumer stand-alone SPO2 finger sensor for $300, it is FDA approved. You can buy $25 versions from Chinese no-names that are very good, while not FDA certified.
So I'll say that this new feature is entertaining and somwhat useful. Most all breathing humans are going to read 95+ most all of the time, but a personal trend has value.
Nope. I have no idea how accurate this is, but neither do they. That is my point. Making a statement that says this is inaccurate is simply baseless until they can back it up. I would feel the same way if someone was touting it as a way to detect Covid-19 early based on some of the existing studies (just not enough data to know how well it will work for any specific case yet).
No question it was/is hard. Fortunately we have learned a lot over the years. Better computational models and machine learning are the next steps in this process.
Just as it was never done on any of the other places until it was.
No question it will need a lot of data, and that FDA approval is hard. Apple has already gone through the process once, so they know what is needed. I would expect that they are already well into the process and that they are pretty confident of their results or they would not have released it.I always say that calorie/step measuring devices have three metrics:
- Repeatability. If I do the same thing how close to the same results will I get. For example if I walk around a track in the same lane, how close to each other will my results be.
- Comparability. If you and I both do something will our results be comparable. This needs repeatability to be valuable.
- Accuracy. If I measure the same thing using some reference standard, how close will it be to what the device measures.
Massimo released their first consumer version a few years ago, specially saying it was not a medical device, and only to be used for athletes and pilots. From talking to the product manager at CES they were working on certification, but decided that it was better to be shipping a product rather than just waiting for it. I would bet that is what Apple is doing as well.
I am not sure it hits "entertaining" for me, and I am not even sure it is that useful yet. I like the idea of a trend line, and from some of the early studies, there seems to be a possibility of early Covid-19 detection (doubt there will be studies with enough results soon enough to have it really matter, but one never knows).
I use literally everything in this bundle and I get to share it all with the girlfriend, so this is very exciting.
I'd guess when the new iPhone (or Fitness app) launches.
I would assume they'd launch with the new phones with Fitness+ coming before the end of the year.
The weird thing is One shows Fall but Fitness+ late 2020, but how can you have One without the other? Will Premier just be stalled if One beats Fitness+ to release?
End of fall and late 2020 could be perceived as having a small window of overlapping time.
What's the deal with adding extra storage?
I read something about you being able to add EXTRA storage to each tier of these. So for example, you can do the $30 tier of One, and also add a separate 2TB tier on top.
Anyone confirm this is actually true?
I read something about you being able to add EXTRA storage to each tier of these. So for example, you can do the $30 tier of One, and also add a separate 2TB tier on top.
Anyone confirm this is actually true?
All that has been confirmed is that one can add more storage, but no additional information has been specified so far.
Currently, one can add up to 2TB per family member for additional, non-shared storage. There is no way to get more than 2TB of shared storage (by shared I mean generally accessible by all family members vs. opening it to sharing with the new shared folders).
Probably many people, none likely to be on here though.
Their FAQ does confirm that more storage can be added, but gives no details.
Annoying the lack of details, isn't it.All that has been confirmed is that one can add more storage, but no additional information has been specified so far.
Currently, one can add up to 2TB per family member for additional, non-shared storage. There is no way to get more than 2TB of shared storage (by shared I mean generally accessible by all family members vs. opening it to sharing with the new shared folders).
Probably many people, none likely to be on here though.
Their FAQ does confirm that more storage can be added, but gives no details.