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Again: the pencil 1 is 8 years old (!!). A general consumer sees that Apple comes out with a new “upgrade” pencil (usbc), which you would assume is at least as good and has all the features of a 8 year old product. But no...
You might assume that if Apple discontinued the Pencil 1, but since the Pencil .75 didn’t replace the Pencil 1, it doesn’t have the same name, and it costs less, the general consumer just needs to ask about the differences.
On top of that: this cheapest pencil does not work with the cheapest iPad (9th) that is still being sold on the Apple website.
Well good, then Lightning iPad users can avoid all this terrible confusion you keep mentioning; they still have the same Pencil option they always did.
Must be drinking some strong Apple Koolaid to defend this mess. Do not get me wrong: Apple has some excellent products: my M1pro 14 is *cheff kiss*. But sometimes Apple is just acting drunk (hi butterfly keyboard and turn over to charge Magic Mouse).
Realizing that it is the entry level Pencil is not drinking any koolaid. It lost pressure sensitivity but it costs less and Apple fixed the charging issue that almost everyone complained about.
 
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Lets be clear here.

The apple pencil didn't revolutionize a damn thing.
Absolutely, laughably wrong. I closely followed the development of styli and tablets prior to and through the development of the first Pencil. I owned tablets and styli from dozens of manufacturers. None of them came close to the experience the first Pencil offered. It was the first device that made digital hand-written note-taking viable. It's the reason that there are at least 3 note taking or drawing apps in the top 10 iPad apps at any given time.

Now, Apple hasn't exactly had a clear strategy with their iPad lineup since - and this 'new' Pencil only solidifies that view - but the Pencil has undoubtedly sold a TON of iPads to students and professionals who want a digital notebook, as well as digital artists.
 
People need to read the link in the article.

This is not a replacement or next generation product. It's a lower tier product. It drops the following features:

- Pressure sensitivity
- Magnetic pairing & charging (it can be stored, but not charged/paired)
- Double tap to change tools
- Engraving
This is what is wrong with our society. They read headlines and jump to conclusions, and start blabbering (or even voting etc) based on a completely illiterate understanding of events.
 
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So at the very least, why not have this “new pencil” work with all iPads? There is not really a reason it should not work with a lightning iPad, correct? I mean the charging of the pencil 1 via the iPad was laughable to begin with anyway.
The now listed iPads that are compatible are almost all pro iPads, but if you bought a pro iPad, why penny pitch when buying a pencil, which you probably will buy for your real work and thus prefer a pencil 2 and its features anyway.
It’s not at all “Apple is doomed” thing but for a multi billion dollar company this seems amateurish .
This would have been a perfect opportunity to clean up the mess and sell a Pencil and Pencil Pro: usbc, magnetic attachment, pressure sens both; magnetic charging and hover for Pro. 80-90 dollar for the Pencil, 110-120 dollar for Pro. Compatible with all, but pro features only unlock on iPad Pro, Air and Mini.
 
You are the ideal customer for Apple, they'll make a lot of money out of people that think like this... Good for them.

You assume because I explained why some people may prefer this to a clone somehow I would make the same choice. As I said, neither choice is inherently better, just personal preference.

Personally, I like AstroLab's tip and screen cover combo, but that is also not for everyone.

Wading though the garbage is very easy in this case, if they say compatible with iPads from 2018 on, then it's Logitech technology.

You assume everyone understands what is Logitech tech and doesn't just want to get something that works for sure and doesn't care about the price difference or they want it right now. Hell, I'd bet many don't even know what a Logitech Crayon is; they just want to use their iPad with a pencil.

Maybe they buy it with an iPad and AC+ and what the Pencil covered by AC+.

Others may be concerned about build quality and durability, or what is meant by silicon tips.

Some may decide the cheaper option is best for them.

Some may not be able to afford the Apple one and so the cheaper option still gives them pencil.

As I said, choice is good, too each his own. All reasons for their decision are equally valid.

Some posters seem personally offended that Apple dare offer another choice, with less features, at a cheaper price point than exist ones. As with anything, if you don't like it don't buy it. Just because someone makes a choice different than what you might make doesn't make them ignorant.

And by the way, apparently in euros it's not just 60 but more like 80 since this pencil is priced at €95...

My behavioral economics point still holds. (Although to keep with the internet tradition of useless quibbling (5x15)=75, not 95, so by your math 60 Euros is closer even adjusting for exchange rates.)
 
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So at the very least, why not have this “new pencil” work with all iPads? There is not really a reason it should not work with a lightning iPad, correct? I mean the charging of the pencil 1 via the iPad was laughable to begin with anyway.
There's no reason why an accessory with a usb-c port should be expected to work with a tablet that charges via a lightning cable. How exactly were you expecting this combination to work? There would be no way to pair the device, since a reverse lightning-to-usb cable doesn't exist.
The now listed iPads that are compatible are almost all pro iPads, but if you bought a pro iPad, why penny pitch when buying a pencil, which you probably will buy for your real work and thus prefer a pencil 2 and its features anyway.
It’s not at all “Apple is doomed” thing but for a multi billion dollar company this seems amateurish .
The answer to that, as always is - options. Buy the 2nd gen Apple Pencil if you want full functionality, and if you don't don't, what's wrong with a cheaper stylus that comes with fewer features if you don't need them?

Not to mention that this usb-c pencil also works with the iPad Air and iPad mini, both of which can be considered as cheaper options as well.

So it's probably more accurate to say that this usb-c pencil was not targeted at iPad Pro users, but Apple had no reason to restrict it to work only with the non-pro iPad models because they all run off the same hardware anyways. The option is there, and if people end up buying the 2nd gen pencil, more money for Apple at the end of the day.
This would have been a perfect opportunity to clean up the mess and sell a Pencil and Pencil Pro: usbc, magnetic attachment, pressure sens both; magnetic charging and hover for Pro. 80-90 dollar for the Pencil, 110-120 dollar for Pro. Compatible with all, but pro features only unlock on iPad Pro, Air and Mini.
The point precisely is that some people don't need features like pressure sensitivity (according to Apple at least).

Hover is a software feature limited to M2 iPads. I presume that will be made available to the iPad Air if and when it ever gets updated with the M2 chip. You also forget that the 10th gen iPad cannot support magnetic charging precisely because the front facing camera is in the way. This usb-c pencil was likely made for it, so users no longer need to be stuck with a 1st gen Apple Pencil and an awkward adaptor.

Though personally, I never had any issues with charging and pairing the OG Apple Pencil via my iPad's lightning port, nor did I think it was silly in any way.
 
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You assume because I explained why some people may prefer this to a clone somehow I would make the same choice. As I said, neither choice is inherently better, just personal preference.

Personally, I like AstroLab's tip and screen cover combo, but that is also not for everyone.



You assume everyone understands what is Logitech tech and doesn't just want to get something that works for sure and doesn't care about the price difference or they want it right now. Hell, I'd bet many don't even know what Logitech is; they just want to use their iPad with a pencil.

Others may be concerned about build quality and durability, or what is meant by silicon tips.

Some may decide the cheaper option is best for them

As I said, choice is good, Some posters seem personally offended that Apple dare offer another choice at a cheaper price point. As with anything, if you don't like it don't buy it. Just because someone makes a choice different than what you might make doesn't make them ignorant.



My behavioral economics point still holds. (Although to keep with the internet tradition of useless quibbling (5x15)=75, not 95, so by your math 60 Euros is closer even adjusting for exchange rates.)
I don't assume everyone understands these things. That's why I said in a previous post that a lot of people will buy this out of "ignorance" of what is available. I don't mean ignorance in a derogatory way, just that many people are not interested in tech, as you point out, and don't want to do any research before buying, so they ignore the options.
Some even refuse to go with a cheaper alternative even after someone has explained to them that cheaper alternative work just as well, simply because they feel safer with buying from a big brand (see my drug analogy).
Having more choice is always good, but I think that the more techy people are doing a service to the community by pointing out that those cheaper alternatives works just as well, so that more people are informed and some of them can save money.
(I said 5 times more expensive as a round figures since you can find difference prices but tecnically yes it can be more than 6 times more expensive in euro)
 
You’re paying $79 to beta test USB-C on the future Apple Pencil range.

It’s a stylus in sheep’s clothing.
 
Some even refuse to go with a cheaper alternative even after someone has explained to them that cheaper alternative work just as well, simply because they feel safer with buying from a big brand (see my drug analogy).
I will also say that my personal experience with 3rd party alternatives from online shopping websites have been mixed. For example, I have tried a couple of cheap third party watch bands, but found their build quality lacklustre (the buckle didn't fit as nicely, and the rubber texture just felt inferior). In the end, I just went with a first party nike band and I have been happily using it for close to 4 years.

My chargers and cables mostly come from Anker. Probably cheaper than what Apple charges, though still not that cheap, but they work great and I guess I am also paying for the peace of mind.

My 13 pro max case is the transparent plastic one by Apple. Is it overpriced? Maybe. But it's still going strong after 2 years, is fully magsafe-compatible and it may just last me the full 4 years. Sometimes, it really is just easier to go with something you know will work by Apple, pay the little extra and not have to worry about it ever again. Not everything translates neatly into dollars and cents, and I believe Apple is keenly aware of this as well.
 
I will also say that my personal experience with 3rd party alternatives from online shopping websites have been mixed. For example, I have tried a couple of cheap third party watch bands, but found their build quality lacklustre (the buckle didn't fit as nicely, and the rubber texture just felt inferior). In the end, I just went with a first party nike band and I have been happily using it for close to 4 years.

My chargers and cables mostly come from Anker. Probably cheaper than what Apple charges, though still not that cheap, but they work great and I guess I am also paying for the peace of mind.

My 13 pro max case is the transparent plastic one by Apple. Is it overpriced? Maybe. But it's still going strong after 2 years, is fully magsafe-compatible and it may just last me the full 4 years. Sometimes, it really is just easier to go with something you know will work by Apple, pay the little extra and not have to worry about it ever again. Not everything translates neatly into dollars and cents, and I believe Apple is keenly aware of this as well.
There are things for which I don't buy cheaper alternatives. Airpods is a prime example, clones are far from the same quality, but I tried them for fun and just to have a spare one. Magic keyboard is another example. I don't use iphone, so I cannot comment about that.
That does not mean I buy new. Most of the time I buy used, but not on ebay. I only buy local where I can check that the item is either unopened or in very good conditions. Some people don't want to do this, and fine. I like it.
Concerning pencils, I bought only the first one in 2015 new. Then I bought the other 2 gen 1 for 40 and 50 bucks and recently sold them for more than I bought.
As for pencil 2 I have several (4 or 5) all bought around 60 bucks used and I prefer them to the clones.
However I prefer the clones to pencil 1, that's why I sold 2 and only kept one for my 10.5 pro (which only works with gen 1).
Build quality and functionaly has been just perfect and they are better than apple pencil in some way since I don't need to pair.
For instance sometimes I have to compare 2-3 documents, open them in different iPad pros and the pencil allows me to write on all of them without having to pair each time.
Before the logitech Crayon and the clones, I would avoid other styluses as the plague, as they have issues with palm rejection etc. But since Apple gave Logitech this tech formula, and it was made public apparently... the Chinese are using it (probably for free, since these clones don't cost more than passive ones) and everybody wins.
 
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I don't assume everyone understands these things. That's why I said in a previous post that a lot of people will buy this out of "ignorance" of what is available. I don't mean ignorance in a derogatory way, just that many people are not interested in tech, as you point out, and don't want to do any research before buying, so they ignore the options.

No worries. That's the problem with internet posts - they often lack context and clues to how something is meant leading to a misunderstanding of the intent.

Some even refuse to go with a cheaper alternative even after someone has explained to them that cheaper alternative work just as well, simply because they feel safer with buying from a big brand (see my drug analogy).

Of course, to each their own.

Having more choice is always good, but I think that the more techy people are doing a service to the community by pointing out that those cheaper alternatives works just as well, so that more people are informed and some of them can save money.

Of course, pointing out cheaper viable alternatives is good. I do it all the time when asked about what to buy.

(I said 5 times more expensive as a round figures since you can find difference prices but tecnically yes it can be more than 6 times more expensive in euro)

Hey, what good is the internet if you can't quibble endlessly over meaningless details? I mean, 20 pages over a Pencil? It's a Pencil, not something important like how Star Trek violates physics with shadows in a vacuum, eh?

I will also say that my personal experience with 3rd party alternatives from online shopping websites have been mixed. For example, I have tried a couple of cheap third party watch bands, but found their build quality lacklustre (the buckle didn't fit as nicely, and the rubber texture just felt inferior). In the end, I just went with a first party nike band and I have been happily using it for close to 4 years.

My experience is similar. The only bands I've found I'd trust on my Ultra is the knock off Alpine Loop. At ~3 Euros each if tehy last a few years I'm way ahead in price savings and they've been sturdy enough not to worry about losing the watch.

My chargers and cables mostly come from Anker. Probably cheaper than what Apple charges, though still not that cheap, but they work great and I guess I am also paying for the peace of mind.

I also stick with name brands for peace of mind. I don't want to risk a fire from some cheap junk. The only time I used it was when I needed a plug in charger in rental cars and knew I'd probably forget it when returning teh car.

My 13 pro max case is the transparent plastic one by Apple. Is it overpriced? Maybe. But it's still going strong after 2 years, is fully magsafe-compatible and it may just last me the full 4 years.

My go to brand is Spigen. For screen protectors for years I used cheap ones from Amazon. Recently I got a Belkin and the feel and fit is so much better I'll probably use them gong forward even if they are 5x as much.

Sometimes, it really is just easier to go with something you know will work by Apple, pay the little extra and not have to worry about it ever again. Not everything translates neatly into dollars and cents, and I believe Apple is keenly aware of this as well.

Of course. It's all about the value for the money.

That does not mean I buy new. Most of the time I buy used, but not on ebay. I only buy local where I can check that the item is either unopened or in very good conditions. Some people don't want to do this, and fine. I like it.

I'm also a big fan of buying used. I've never needed the new shiny in many cases; except for something I'd use for business and the ROI warranted purchasing the latest; or when I damaged my MBP and needed a machine right now while mine was fixed under AC+.

I've found Amazon's used items (Sold and shipped by Amazon) good value. I've bought some labeled Good for a significant discount and couldn't tell them from new other than the box was damaged. I didn't like it Amazon took it back with no issue.

My OSMO Gimbal was over 60% off and looked like it had never been out of the box. DJI even registered it and offered an extended warranty. KEH is great for used camera gear, they grade things very conservatively as well.

Others, like you do, I bought locally because I wanted to assess the quality before purchasing.
 
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People need to read the link in the article.

This is not a replacement or next generation product. It's a lower tier product. It drops the following features:

- Pressure sensitivity
- Magnetic pairing & charging (it can be stored, but not charged/paired)
- Double tap to change tools
- Engraving

After using wacoms for three decades I don't know how one could use a pencil without pressure sensitivity. Or am I reading that wrong!??

"but misses out on pressure sensitivity, wireless pairing and charging, double tap to change tools,.."

And this is why I buy Mac computers and nothing else. Overcharge you for what you need, and at better prices strip it down. Classic Apple crippling crapple.
 
So many people getting worked up over Apple's new pencil, and likely have no need for or want one.
Since when does somebody need to get "worked up.." just to make a comment or criticism or observation.

Sounds like you're getting worked up over comments... riiiight? 🍿
 
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Everyone is saying is a gen 1 replacement, but how can that be when it's not compatible with any iPad the gen 1 works on
 
Right, I’m talking about people who have an iPad Air, Pro, or Mini
Sure. I suppose this new pencil gives those Air, Pro, Mini customers a cheaper option that might be attractive if they aren't artist who need pressure sensitivity. Frankly, I think most people simply use their pencils for mark-ups and maybe to sketch basic line diagrams. Of course, if you can get a better price for a pencil 2 on sale, then go for it.
 
Sure. I suppose this new pencil gives those Air, Pro, Mini customers a cheaper option that might be attractive if they aren't artist who need pressure sensitivity. Frankly, I think most people simply use their pencils for mark-ups and maybe to sketch basic line diagrams. Of course, if you can get a better price on a pencil 2, then go for it.
My point is that every once in a while, the 2nd gen goes on sale for $99. And I think if you are an artist, the pressure sensitivity, magnetic charging, and double tap are worth the extra $20. If those features aren’t important to someone, the Zagg Pro stylus has most of the features of the 3rd gen pencil and is half the price.
 
You might assume that if Apple discontinued the Pencil 1, but since the Pencil .75 didn’t replace the Pencil 1, it doesn’t have the same name, and it costs less, the general consumer just needs to ask about the differences.

Well good, then Lightning iPad users can avoid all this terrible confusion you keep mentioning; they still have the same Pencil option they always did.

Realizing that it is the entry level Pencil is not drinking any koolaid. It lost pressure sensitivity but it costs less and Apple fixed the charging issue that almost everyone complained about.
Macrumors even had to publish another pencil article to sort out the mess: https://forums.macrumors.com/thread...-guide-which-model-should-you-choose.2407987/
“As it stands, you need a flowchart to buy an Apple Pencil, and that’s no good at all.” The Verge.
 
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