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Surely Apple's just waiting till the Intel switch is underway, then the only point of difference from a PC is the OS. And we all know who wins there!

Apple has chosen the right time to switch to Intel, they've got a mountain of cash thanks to the iPod, they've just got ride it out till they're on Intel, then it'll be plain sailing...... well, maybe!
 
back and forth

At first i was worried about the intel switch, then i was excited, now a little worried again.

I feel bad for the people buying macs right now. Sure, PowerPC is great right now, but what about the future? Sure, future apps are going to run on them, but does anyone really think Adobe is going to dump any R&D into the next CS to make it fly on PowerPC... what do they have to gain from that?

Meanwhile Apple is telling all the developers, make fat binaries, but they are also saying, stop doing altivec and move to SSE3, so any current G5, G4 is going to see ZERO optimizations because everyone is going to focus on the future, per usual. Apple wants everyone to shift focus to intel so they can move more machines. Sure I want to buy into the whole intel thing, i think in the long run it's a great idea, but they are going to piss a lot of people off, and may end up drowning themselves when OS X is hacked.

In one swift processor switch, Apple declared that it is now a lifestyle company and no longer about a superior architecture. What happened to thinking different?
 
nagromme said:
I can see it might make sense to wait and hit the big campaign after the Intel change is in full swing.
This is a good point, I agree totally.

If so, it actually lends some weight to the idea that Apple hadn't planned the intel switch even 3 months ago....
 
I think the fact that apple's PowerPC lineup is going to need more of a push due to the fact that everyone knows Intel Macs are on the way is MORE of a reason they need to advertise! A switch campaign this year does not mean they can not have another campaign when the Intel macs arrive... Advertise the switch campaign for Tiger now, then when 10.5 is released a new ad along with it. Duh.
 
areyouwishing said:
Meanwhile Apple is telling all the developers, make fat binaries, but they are also saying, stop doing altivec and move to SSE3, so any current G5, G4 is going to see ZERO optimizations because everyone is going to focus on the future, per usual.


No, that's not true. IIRC, Apple is saying to use the accelerate framework of the OS instead of coding altivec calls directly. The accelerate framework then optimizes based on the chip thats present on the machine.

Back to the now-you-see-it-now-you-don't switch adds, I wonder if they got canned because all the switchers Morris lined-up and filmed said they switched mostly due to those terriffic G5 proccesors Apple has in their computers :)
 

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The "switch" commercials and effectivenes

Personally, I always thought the old "switcher" commercials were simply an idea ahead of their time. Apple wasn't truly ready to convince a lot of people to "switch" when those were airing - hence, only Mac users really got much out of them.

I think the time to push the switch idea is now (or maybe, 6-12 months ago). The iPod made a lot of people re-think the possibility of buying more Apple-branded products - if only because they said "Hey, this thing really was a good quality product for my money, and I use it a lot." Spyware and viruses have really grown into a huge issue and expense for Windows users in the last year or so, too.

On top of that, as things have progressed, we've now reached a point where practically everyone with any measure of computer "literacy" owns a digital camera. When the original "switch" campaign was going on, that wasn't really quite true yet. Telling people about the simplicity of iPhoto and a digital camera *now* will grab more attention than it did earlier.

On the flip-side, sometimes I think Apple concentrates too much on things that aren't really meaningful to enough people (yet). The push to offer "HD" capable versions of all the movie editing apps is a prime example. Maybe Jobs is just so deeply rooted in film-making since he owns Pixar ... but I know *nobody* who owns a HD camcorder yet! Only very recently could I even say that "most of my camcorder-owning friends have DV/firewire capable models". Just 2 years ago, I still saw a lot of old 8mm camcorders in use with no digital capabilities.

Frankly, if Apple wanted to offer something more "meaningful" to the masses, they should have concentrated on buying a decent game developer or two and offering hot new game titles for Mac, and worked on the educational software angle more, too. (You might be surprised how many school teachers there are out there who were strong Mac advocates since the beginning, but now switched, reluctantly, to Windows PCs because they felt Apple abandonned them. Sure, they can still get the "educational discounts" - but where are all the learning titles for kids? Mac used to be the king of this stuff! Now, most new titlles from "Schoolastic" and the like only offer PC/Windows versions!)
 
I don't even see why they made the switch commercials. They didn't even show off anything Apple made, just people talking about the machines. I don't really care if they go, I didn't switch because of them. I figured it out for myself. Something a lot of people aren't willing to do. For some reason I wish they wouldn't go Intel. I want Macs to stay as far away from PCs as possible, I like it that way. PC for Gaming, Mac for everything else.
 
LaMerVipere said:
What a flippin' waste!

There's already Dell commercials on TV every damn day, yet none for Apple computers! If they would just f'n advertise them they'd sell so many more. :mad:

I just had a great idea for a new Apple ad campaign.

"Dude, we're getting a Mac mini!" :)

Or how about

"Did somebody say Apple?"

It seems that stupid ads are the most memorable and most talked-about, at least in the States. So I really don't know what would work, I just think it's a shame to have spent all that time and effort but have nothing to show for it now.
 
kingtj said:
Personally, I always thought the old "switcher" commercials were simply an idea ahead of their time. Apple wasn't truly ready to convince a lot of people to "switch" when those were airing - hence, only Mac users really got much out of them.

Right on, kingtj. Like everything Apple, their advertising was always "cutting edge," [i.e. from Ridley Scott to dome iMac in the window]. "Cutting edge" meaning far from mainstream, artsy, Clio-driven ideas. This advertising model is in stark contrast to the mainstream marketing appeal of the iPod and the nearly-pathetic attempt at wooing PC'ers with the Mac Mini. Apple has got to make up its mind. Right now, they are on the fence. Industrial-design computer brilliance or a Wal-Mart iPod Shuffle.

kingtj said:
I think the time to push the switch idea is now (or maybe, 6-12 months ago). The iPod made a lot of people re-think the possibility of buying more Apple-branded products - if only because they said "Hey, this thing really was a good quality product for my money, and I use it a lot." Spyware and viruses have really grown into a huge issue and expense for Windows users in the last year or so, too.

I agree again, kingtj. They need to pull out all the stops. Hire a Gus van Sant, Paul Thomas Anderson, or Jim Jarmusch to direct today's "1984." Publically address this recent fortune that is the iPod, and use it for an acknowledgement and intelligent education about computers and their proper place within the human condition. Don't suck up to the few extra percent that is the lowest common denominator [i.e. sales to users who have no idea how to appreciate the elegance of simplistic industrial design]. I'll probably get flammed for saying this, but if Apple continues to pander its "smartness" to anyone who will pony up the cash, then the original idea is lost, pure and simple. Might as well change the company name and call it a day.

kingtj said:
On top of that, as things have progressed, we've now reached a point where practically everyone with any measure of computer "literacy" owns a digital camera. When the original "switch" campaign was going on, that wasn't really quite true yet. Telling people about the simplicity of iPhoto and a digital camera *now* will grab more attention than it did earlier.

Yes, yes. Educate don't pander.

kingtj said:
On the flip-side, sometimes I think Apple concentrates too much on things that aren't really meaningful to enough people (yet). The push to offer "HD" capable versions of all the movie editing apps is a prime example. Maybe Jobs is just so deeply rooted in film-making since he owns Pixar ... but I know *nobody* who owns a HD camcorder yet! Only very recently could I even say that "most of my camcorder-owning friends have DV/firewire capable models". Just 2 years ago, I still saw a lot of old 8mm camcorders in use with no digital capabilities.

Here's where we differ, kingtj. Apple has always pushed the envelope. History has shown us they are pretty good at it. Obviously, they've stepped on their pecker from time to time, but by and large, they lead. I hope they don't change that now.

kingtj said:
Frankly, if Apple wanted to offer something more "meaningful" to the masses, they should have concentrated on buying a decent game developer or two and offering hot new game titles for Mac, and worked on the educational software angle more, too. (You might be surprised how many school teachers there are out there who were strong Mac advocates since the beginning, but now switched, reluctantly, to Windows PCs because they felt Apple abandonned them. Sure, they can still get the "educational discounts" - but where are all the learning titles for kids? Mac used to be the king of this stuff! Now, most new titlles from "Schoolastic" and the like only offer PC/Windows versions!)

Apple is making strides to get back into the schools. Note the latest Broward County deal of 30,000 new iBooks. I know that they have been on the campus where I teach [Columbia College Chicago] many times and have talked about a similar agreement for all incoming freshman.

Bottom line for me is this: If Apple wants to go mainstream, say so. Don't try to hold onto the original concept. But I think it's possible to educate the masses to not standing for an OS that crashes and has no security. I think it's possible to properly woo those folks by simply saying so, with intelligent, well-thought out, artsy advertising that has as much substance as style.

JM
 
922 said:
My neighbor was pleasently surprised to hear that when you plugged a camera into a Mac, it worked. THINK ABOUT HOW MANY PEOPLE WOULD BUY MACS IF THEY KNEW HOW THEY WORKED.

However, the old Switch campaign was crap. It was people talking about how Macs were cool without saying why. We need ads focusing on the reasons listed on the Apple website.
So you don't remember how Janie saved Christmas?

They're probably waiting for the Intel Macs. At least that's what I'm hoping. Leopard, too. I'd love to see some new iLife/OS X commercials.
 
The Switch ads were ineffective because people don't respond to other people telling them how great something is. Show me instead.

I'm no advertising executive, but I'm a consumer, and I know what people like. This doesn't seem hard to me. The iPod ads worked because they showed people using iPods, not people looking into a camera telling us how great iPods were.
 
slb said:
The Switch ads were ineffective because people don't respond to other people telling them how great something is. Show me instead.

I'm no advertising executive, but I'm a consumer, and I know what people like. This doesn't seem hard to me. The iPod ads worked because they showed people using iPods, not people looking into a camera telling us how great iPods were.

^ I'll second that. I thought the switch ads were a little obnoxious for that reason, too. I'm getting a Mac because I've seen, and now used them, not because other people happen to like them. At the time those ads were running, I hadn't used Macs since system 8, and they certainly didn't give me anything new to consider or to look at.
 
iPod ads are universal

The iPod ads appealed to everybody because they were so vague. The dancers in them were never revealed so they could be anyone. No one speaks in them so they are universally understood. They are just as appealing in America as they are in Australia, so Apple can show them here without people laughing at the accents.

A new Mac campaign would need to be a little less vague because the market for people who want a new computer is not as big as everyone who likes music. I would like to see something as monumental as the 1984 ad but maybe I am saying that because I started reading the book.
 
This is pure speculation, but....

Maybe Apple can't handle a *huge* surge in sales right now? Maybe Apple sees their next push happening with the MacTels and further refinement of OS X as the dominant choice for most computer users. If they're really planning a "larger" scale of advertising, maybe they're waiting until they can *easily* ramp-up to handle a sudden surge in sales and support needs.

It wouldn't do Apple any good to introduce a bunch of incredibly powerful and beautiful new Macs without enough staff and support to back it up. Part of their allure has always been the exceptional support. If 1 million people switch because of new ads, and Apple can't offer their reputed level of support, that's 1 million people potentially badmouthing the company instead of recruiting new switchers.

Combine this idea with any potential "artistic differences" with the admakers, and I think it explains the cancellation.

Just a thought...
 
Why focus on switching?

Apple should not waste there energy getting people to switch. They should focus on getting a Mac inside their home. They should just focus on making the Mac the hub for all the pc users photos, movies, and music and let it integrate well with their PC's. The switch will come naturaly when they see what else the Mac can do.

Apple seems to be very afraid of advertising anything but ipods. If the switch to intel does not give them more confidence to make ads then they don't deserve a rise in their marketshare.
 
Sttesuhc said:
This is pure speculation, but....

Maybe Apple can't handle a *huge* surge in sales right now? Maybe Apple sees their next push happening with the MacTels and further refinement of OS X as the dominant choice for most computer users. If they're really planning a "larger" scale of advertising, maybe they're waiting until they can *easily* ramp-up to handle a sudden surge in sales and support needs.

It wouldn't do Apple any good to introduce a bunch of incredibly powerful and beautiful new Macs without enough staff and support to back it up. Part of their allure has always been the exceptional support. If 1 million people switch because of new ads, and Apple can't offer their reputed level of support, that's 1 million people potentially badmouthing the company instead of recruiting new switchers.

Combine this idea with any potential "artistic differences" with the admakers, and I think it explains the cancellation.

Just a thought...

You know, I never thought of that. They're getting ready to move to Intel, and if people were to suddenly start buying PPC Macs en masse, there certainly might be problems. They were briefly backlogged with Mighty Mouse orders, which was easily dealt with. They often have troubles meeting demand with new computers, and the Paris expo is coming up soon.

If they got tons of Mac mini orders, or whatever else is hot after the Expo, then they might have a big problem on their hands...

I don't think this is the only reason, but it may have played into it, like you said.
 
autrefois said:
You know, I never thought of that. They're getting ready to move to Intel, and if people were to suddenly start buying PPC Macs en masse, there certainly might be problems. They were briefly backlogged with Mighty Mouse orders, which was easily dealt with. They often have troubles meeting demand with new computers, and the Paris expo is coming up soon.

If they got tons of Mac mini orders, or whatever else is hot after the Expo, then they might have a big problem on their hands...

I don't think this is the only reason, but it may have played into it, like you said.


Sure....and as further proof I offer the fact that most people are having serious delays on BTO iBooks after their recent upgrade. There were *lots* of Mac users alone waiting for iBooks, and it looks like Apple is barely able to address the demand. Although, I think Apple is actually making the BTO just fine; they're having problems with distribution and shipping. Bottom line is that people are waiting 2 weeks for a computer. Not good marketing for encouraging recent switchers.
 
Morris may have caught Steve at a bad time.

OSX Tiger is loose on the street. Market share is about to jump off the chart! Why would Apple spend money on promotions.

:confused: :)
 
Let's see . . .

People want iPods.

Apple stores are iPod havens.

Apple Stores also have macs

Joe Shmo goes to get an ipod and sees the pretty computer.

Advertisement complete.

Apple store proceeds to encourage impulse buying.

With an 119 open and an estimated 21 more stores expected to pop up before year's end (5 out of US) It seems as though the Apple stores are becoming cool and doing the advertising for apple. should Apple advertise anymore they could feasibly exceed their supply/demand balance. Once Intel comes along chips should be aplenty. The Apple stores are the advertisement for now.

And boy do I want those other 21 stores to be open NOW!

http://www.ifoapplestore.com/stores/chronology.html
 
Sol said:
I would like to see something as monumental as the 1984 ad but maybe I am saying that because I started reading the book.

Ha, a new '1984' to introduce the new Macintel: 'Big Brother recommends you the Trusted Platform Macintosh, powered by Intel.'
 
Trowaman said:
Let's see . . .

People want iPods.

Apple stores are iPod havens.

Apple Stores also have macs

Joe Shmo goes to get an ipod and sees the pretty computer.

Advertisement complete.

Apple store proceeds to encourage impulse buying.

With an 119 open and an estimated 21 more stores expected to pop up before year's end (5 out of US) It seems as though the Apple stores are becoming cool and doing the advertising for apple. should Apple advertise anymore they could feasibly exceed their supply/demand balance. Once Intel comes along chips should be aplenty. The Apple stores are the advertisement for now.

And boy do I want those other 21 stores to be open NOW!

http://www.ifoapplestore.com/stores/chronology.html

exactly. and i'm sure apple is buying the property thatthe stores sit on where they can, thusly giving apple a nice hefty real-estate portfolio that translates into big dollars, no doubt.

imagine a couple billion in the bank, a bevy of real estate worldwide, and a string of profitable quarters...apple is being fiscally responsible.

with an ad, you get 30 seconds of time. say during the super bowl. it'd cost upwards of $1.5million, or something close. That could buy and develop two, three, four or so apple stores. and 10 years from now, given where they're buying real estate (higher end neighborhoods), that property's equity could possibly fund
R&D if need be.

I think apple is playing it smart at the moment. Why advertise when every third person walking down the street is an iPod freak, and approximately 50% of the laptops in any given cafe are macs (if only because PC users really can't bring out their massive 19" 30# dell bricks! haha!)

I say, keep buying real estate apple. Keep opening stores.
 
Morris just needs the commercial $ for his doc projects. He doesn't care if the commercials go or not.
 
Big Brother was IBM

minimax said:
Ha, a new '1984' to introduce the new Macintel: 'Big Brother recommends you the Trusted Platform Macintosh, powered by Intel.'

In the 1984 ad it was implied that Big Brother was IBM. Apple is escaping from IBM in the next two years so the 1984 ad is still relevant.

That is not to say I want to see 1984 part 2. I just wish there was an Apple ad that got everyone's attention in the same way that one did twenty-one years ago.
 
AidenShaw said:
Good thing - since the drugged out Ellen Feiss is the main memorable image from the first campaign.

How do they top that - a band of iPod thieves on crack?
Ellen Feiss is a hotty :p
 
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