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New Apple TV soon (Jon Prosser)
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Yup, the 4th generation ATV has aged badly, especially when trying to play most of the Apple Arcade games. I’m waiting for a refresh with a faster SOC to replace it.
1081 days? Oof.
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A13X does not exist. You mean A12X or A12Z?
According to MacRumor's guide for Apple TV, Apple TV 6 is rumored to adopt iPhone 12's A14. Assuming TSMC can crank out enough A14 processors, this is not implausible as A14 is expected to be smaller than A12X or A12Z.
Plain vanilla A14 destined for lower-end iPhone 12 should outperform A10X significantly. Expected performance range:
| A10X (Apple TV 4K) | A12X (iPad Pro) | Rumored A14 (Apple TV 6?) | |
| High-speed CPU cores | 3 cores, up to 2.38 GHz | 4 cores, up to 2.49 GHz | Unknown but probably 2, up to 3.1 GHz |
| Energy-efficient CPU cores | 3 cores | 4 cores | Unknown but probably 4 |
| GPU cores | 12 cores | 7 cores | Unknown but probably 4 |
| RAM | 3 GB LPDDR4 | 4 GB LPDDR4X | 4 GB LPDDR5 |
| Fab size | 10 nm | 7 nm | 5 nm |
| Die size | 96.4 mm² | 122 mm² | 85-100 mm² |
| GeekBench Single Core | 831 | 1113 | 1500-1600 |
| GeekBench Multi Core | 2269 | 4606 | 4500-5000 |
| GeekBench Metal | 6507 | 9237 | 9500-10000 |
rumors, rumors, so here is my 2 cents:
Typically new processors (eg A14) are in high demand and constrained during the first 6-12 months, Apple will want to ensure that supply for iPhone 12 is covered first, then iPad, and then a new Mac ...
I cannot imagine AAPL equipping an ATV with a brand-new processor during the first 6-12 months of that processors lifetime, unless, they need THAT performance (eg gaming). I think that is a long stretch though ...
But, this is my opinion, and reality might prove me wrong, I guess we will all find out at some point in the future 🤓
Typically new processors (eg A14) are in high demand and constrained during the first 6-12 months, Apple will want to ensure that supply for iPhone 12 is covered first, then iPad, and then a new Mac ...
I cannot imagine AAPL equipping an ATV with a brand-new processor during the first 6-12 months of that processors lifetime, unless, they need THAT performance (eg gaming). I think that is a long stretch though ...
But, this is my opinion, and reality might prove me wrong, I guess we will all find out at some point in the future 🤓
You might be right. Just reporting the rumors. For what it's worth, Apple TV 4K received brand new A10X just 3 months after it was announced alongside iPad Pro.
It's also worth noting that Apple TV 6 isn't rumored for September/October timeframe. If Apple TV 6 is part of spring (March) 2021 launch, A14 is even more likely.
According to bloomberg " Apple has also been developing a new Apple TV box with a faster processor for improved gaming and an upgraded remote control, however that device might not ship until next year, according to people familiar with its development. The company is working on a feature for the new remote similar to Find My iPhone that would make the TV accessory easier to find.
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I really hope this happens in 2020.According to bloomberg " Apple has also been developing a new Apple TV box with a faster processor for improved gaming and an upgraded remote control, however that device might not ship until next year, according to people familiar with its development. The company is working on a feature for the new remote similar to Find My iPhone that would make the TV accessory easier to find.
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Jon Prosser, anybody else notice this guy chucks a load of rumours out there and modifies his stance as the weeks pass? He seems to have a good reputation among other ‘leakers’ but gets so much incorrect from what I have seen lol.
I don't care if Prosser is way off the mark. Just release *SOMETHING*!
They will, unfortunately things are a bit delayed this year.
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And he never replies to people asking for clarification on his BS posts
Apple TV doesn't have a mass appeal so Apple needs to choose carefully.
1. Streaming
With Apple TV app and AirPlay 2 available on a wide range of non-Apple platforms, I beg to ask. Is Apple TV not long for this world?
I say no. As long as iPhone and iPad remain popular, and people prefer watching movies, TV shows, and sports at home on a bigger screen, Apple should definitely improve and sell Apple TV.
But for Apple TV to increase its appeal, it must become cheaper. $179 is just too high, even if you consider its superior user experience and privacy.
I say cut it down to the bone. Replace $59 Siri Remote with $19 Apple Remote (redesigned with few more buttons). Instead of latest and greatest A14 processor, use A12. Forget bumping storage space. HDMI stick form factor. Simplify until Apple TV can be sold at $99.
For higher-end market, stuff Apple TV into a soundbar (HomePod TV?). Top notch audio performance, Dolby Atmos, 5.0.2 expandable to 9.0.2 with HomePods (can fold down to center channel only output), webcam (FaceTime, HomeKit Secure Video, and 3rd party apps), built-in microphone, A14, and slick redesigned Siri Remote control. Even at $999, home theater fans will snatch it up.
2. Gaming
Apple TV 4K isn't a very good device for Apple Arcade. Blame the software developer if you want, but many games run pretty choppy on 4K TV. And without Apple designed gaming controller, it's hard to take Apple TV 4K seriously as a gaming device (both Xbox and Playstation controllers have some constraints).
So if Apple wants Apple TV to be a serious contender, it must do 3 things:
- AAA titles on Apple Arcade and/or acquire major gaming studios.
- Beef up Apple TV with A14 (or A14X even) for minimum of 60 Hz 4K HDR graphics, 128GB storage expandable with support for USB-C hard disk, all for $249 or less, no more than $299 if 1-year Apple Arcade is included.
- Apple-designed gaming controller that mixes in the best of Xbox and Playstation controllers, while being compatible with wireless charging, battery status, and support for more than 2 controllers.
I follow your thread here, I just want a simple TV-streaming box in the Apple ecosystem that doesn't crash, buffer, freeze, that you can scroll, scrub, etc. with a decent interface. I use PS4 for AAA games.
If this is AM I have a hard time believing that a west coast company would be starting an online event at 6 in the morning.
I have a a 3rd gen and have been waiting patiently for this. Firestick is nice for the price, but its obvious its just meant to get you in the door because the hardware causes a lot of issues.
I weighed up the options a few months back between Apple TV 4K and the Amazon Fire TV Cube. I ended up going with the latter and have to say for the £60 I paid for it I have not regretted my decision. At the end of the day these boxes offer a portal to stream content from different apps and I’ve had no issues with the Amazon version. Had the Apple offering offered something different and worthy of being 4 times the price then I would have gone that way as we are a very Apple focussed household. Sadly it didn’t.
Same. I won't switch from AppleTV since my kids use Apple Arcade and I like the ability to show my photostream on the TV easily, but I'm stuck with a non-4k box feeding my 4k TV and waiting till they refresh the line to upgrade. Frustrating - but no way I'd update right now.
The biggest advantage to your purchasing decision is that Amazon are now carefully logging everything that you watch and stream with your new hardware and will be using this information to further violate your privacy in every way possible.
I get the math and I want Apple to focus on lowering the price, instead of adding gaming centric features.
On one hand, $60 price difference ($179 for Apple TV 4K 32GB and $119.99 for Amazon Fire TV Cube) is not that significant. But the comparison becomes much more dramatic when you consider $49.99 Fire TV Stick 4K (or occasionally heavily discounted Fire TV Cube). For many, I would argue that even $129 isn't that significant if you want superior user privacy, faster performance, Apple designed user interface, iCloud integration, Home(Kit) hub capability, wider selection of apps, full Apple TV app experience, and/or Apple Arcade.
However...
I doubt we will get Apple TV "Stick" anytime soon, even my previously proposed price point of $99. Apple probably considers Apple TV app on Amazon Fire TV, Android TV (e.g., Sony, Vizio), Roku, Tizen (Samsung), and webOS (LG) as the budget solution. Apple has more vested interests in pushing Apple Arcade, hence speculations on faster Apple TV with A14 processor, larger storage, and redesigned Siri Remote with Find My capability.
As for me personally, I just want new Apple TV 6.
There's a new (questionable) rumor that Apple is pushing the hardware back to 2021 to wait for a "gaming" centric launch. I wouldn't be surprised in that means a faster SoC and/or better gaming APIs to fill the void left (or soon to be left) by Unreal Engine. I can't imagine iOS game devs are keen to keep relying on that software given the growing rift between the two companies—regardless of how the court case plays out.