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Those dongle style media players are slow as hell for everything except the actual video decoding. They have as little CPU power as they can get away with and thus don't have a very good user experience.

This is one thing that's kept me using an ATV; the user interface and responsiveness is worlds ahead of pretty much everything else, even including media players built into smart TVs where you'd expect there not to be a tight power/thermal budget.

And this is what the people who want don't seem to understand or realise. Apple is about giving the ultimate user experience which I believe the ATV does. It's not a cheap, half baked product unlike cheaper offerings.
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About time. The current Apple TV 4K is one of the worse products there is in the market in terms of price/performance. It uses ancient hardware, and yet is priced more than a gaming console (that can do the same things and more, having much more powerful hardware).

Totally incorrect!
Compare the A10X to the Fire Cube which uses low end wearables components & entry level smartphone components.
You really must do accurate, honest research before making untrue statements please.
 
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About time. The current Apple TV 4K is one of the worse products there is in the market in terms of price/performance. It uses ancient hardware, and yet is priced more than a gaming console (that can do the same things and more, having much more powerful hardware).

This is a ridiculous comment!
 



A refreshed Apple TV with an A12 Bionic chip or newer appears to be in development, according to 9to5Mac, which uncovered an unreleased model with the codename "T1125" in the tvOS 13.4 beta seeded yesterday.

Details about the new Apple TV are slim beyond the faster chip and its maximum supported resolution remaining 4K with HDR.

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Rumors of a new Apple TV with an A12 chip began swirling last fall, but with a different codename of "J305." The device has typically been updated once every two years, with the first tvOS-based ?model launching in September 2015 and the ?Apple TV? 4K arriving in September 2017.

A faster Apple TV would certainly benefit Apple Arcade gaming and overall performance.

Article Link: New Apple TV With A12 Chip or Later Uncovered in tvOS 13.4 Beta

The AppleTV is the best video player out there .... beating even the new Nvidia Shield ... the reason being Infuse 6 Pro. Seriously, the best video playing app I have ever seen. It plays everything .... even 100 Gb 4k videos flawlessly. The interface looks fantastic. The gathering of meta data is fantastic. I have been using Plex for about 10 years and have a lifetime pass ... won't be using that any more.

I love the Apple TV ... its interface is streets ahead of any smart TV too.....and the best screensavers ever. Whats not to like.
 
That may be so, but there are people (like me) who do not buy an Apple TV for games. A comparison to an Xbox or Playstation is meaningless for me.
Hence my assertion that Apple should split Apple TV into streaming centric offering ($99 with simple remote) and another optimized for Apple Arcade.
Perhaps Apple could offer an inexpensive optional gaming controller or something. But please don't make me use a gaming controller to watch movies, which is still the main purpose of the Apple TV.
If Apple can mesh some of the gaming aspects of Nintendo Wii Remote Plus into Siri Remote, I think it can please both gamers and non-gamers.

With few exceptions, Siri Remote's touchpad just isn't utilized all that much. At least not enough to offset accidental swipe and it being worse for games.
 
I miss plasma! My Panasonic was one of the highest rated TVs ever made. SAD, I sold it when we moved

I had the Kuro 60 inch. However, I just cannot agree with you. I have both a Sony and Samsung 4k 75 inch and the pictures on both are way better than the Kuro.
 
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The AppleTV is the best video player out there .... beating even the new Nvidia Shield ... the reason being Infuse 6 Pro. Seriously, the best video playing app I have ever seen. It plays everything .... even 100 Gb 4k videos flawlessly. The interface looks fantastic. The gathering of meta data is fantastic. I have been using Plex for about 10 years and have a lifetime pass ... won't be using that any more.

I love the Apple TV ... its interface is streets ahead of any smart TV too.....and the best screensavers ever. Whats not to like.

Well nothing is perfect but the Apple Tv has the best UI. I find it amusing when the Roku or Amazon employees come here acting as regular people and try and say their UI is better, its laughable. You can easily spot the trolls. One person would complain that the Apple tv remote is terrible because when you touch it then you skip forwards or back accidentally, of course this was 2 years after Apple disabled that. Lol.

I wish you could choose the screensavers you want.
 
Get with the times and get a Logitech Harmony Universal Remote. Anyone who is half serious about decent audio video does not use the Apple remote anyways.

Had one, it sucked.
This is quite long ago though, sometimes (intermittently) the volume rocker or the software got stuck raising the volume on my Yamaha AV set to 100%, not pleasant if one happens to live in an appartement.

There was this NEO remote, wanted to buy this one not too long ago, glad I didn't, company got sold out to Control4, The NEO will stop working after 2 years after the servers go down, a brick.

Wish Logitech made something similar.
There's also a new remote on Kickstarter, sadly it's a DIY remote and too expensive for what you get for the $$$, can't recall the name right now.

I want a remote for other protocols as well, including z-wave.
 
Get with the times and get a Logitech Harmony Universal Remote. Anyone who is half serious about decent audio video does not use the Apple remote anyways.

I’m pretty serious about my audio and video setups and I use only the apple remote.
 
Three things:
  1. Apple TV 4K retails at $179-199
  2. Apple TV app being added to most new TVs
  3. Xbox One S All-Digital Edition retails at $249 (but frequently discounted to $170) and includes 2 games (Minecraft and Sea of Thieves)
When you add them all up, Apple TV 4K is a bit out of place.

If Apple is even remotely serious about Apple Arcade, it needs to make Apple TV more compelling. Faster lag free 4K HDR performance (A12X HDMI 2.1) and better out-of-the-box gaming experience (better remote or controller bundle). Having to spend $29.95-$59.95 for a controller, in addition to $179-199 for the unit itself, does not demonstrate Apple's confidence in the gaming category.

For folks that use Apple TV primarily for streaming, it is overpriced even if you take user privacy into purchase consideration. Apple TV 4K needs to become cheaper, ideally around $99 (A12 with more basic remote).

Either that, Apple should go all in and make Apple TV 4K even more premium. Perhaps a soundbar with microphone built-in to the unit (instead of the remote), and A13X with ML based video processor, support for wider range of audio and video codecs.

However the Apple TV is way better than the xbox for playing local and remote video file content. The xbox totally sucks at this. Its best bet is probably Plex but that obviously has limitations in needing a server and loss of Atmos etc transcoding. Apple TV 4K with Infuse Pro is basically unbeatable IMO. I am amazed Infuse is not mentioned more.
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If you don't play games through apple and have airplay 2/apple tv app on your TV, is there really any benefits in the standalone apple tv now?

I mainly use smart TVs to play my rather huge video library. Every app I have used on TV's like Plex have severe limitations. Archos on Android is good but struggles with large 4K files.

However Infuse Pro on the ATV plays absolutely everything flawlessly ... even 100 gb 4k files. It's the first 10/10 video app I have ever used. The only way to get Infuse is to buy an Apple TV.
 
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Three things:
  1. Apple TV 4K retails at $179-199
  2. Apple TV app being added to most new TVs
  3. Xbox One S All-Digital Edition retails at $249 (but frequently discounted to $170) and includes 2 games (Minecraft and Sea of Thieves)
When you add them all up, Apple TV 4K is a bit out of place.

If Apple is even remotely serious about Apple Arcade, it needs to make Apple TV more compelling. Faster lag free 4K HDR performance (A12X HDMI 2.1) and better out-of-the-box gaming experience (better remote or controller bundle). Having to spend $29.95-$59.95 for a controller, in addition to $179-199 for the unit itself, does not demonstrate Apple's confidence in the gaming category.

For folks that use Apple TV primarily for streaming, it is overpriced even if you take user privacy into purchase consideration. Apple TV 4K needs to become cheaper, ideally around $99 (A12 with more basic remote).

Either that, Apple should go all in and make Apple TV 4K even more premium. Perhaps a soundbar with microphone built-in to the unit (instead of the remote), and A13X with ML based video processor, support for wider range of audio and video codecs.

Apple TV is basically there for people who want the best native Apple experience when it comes to streaming content. Hard to make it cheaper when it still comes with a free year of TV+. Plus, I am all in on the Apple ecosystem and the Apple TV plays nice with my other Apple devices (like having the photos app, or being able to set it up automatically).

And am I the oddball for actually liking the remote? It’s simple and minimalistic and is actually pretty useful for quickly scrolling / scrubbing through content. It’s not perfect, but I look at the remote that came with my smart tv and struggle to see how people consider it a better alternative.
 
With few exceptions, Siri Remote's touchpad just isn't utilized all that much. At least not enough to offset accidental swipe and it being worse for games.
I don't agree at all. I use it all the time (e.g. to skip intros or search a specific part of a movie). Many tvOS apps are also designed to be operated by touch remote, and some have special gestures e.g. to quickly scroll through long lists. I would really hate to lose the touchpad. I also hate conventional remotes with dozens of little buttons with a passion. Simplifying this was long overdue, and Apple's remote is a good effort IMO.
 
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Well I nearly ordered one last night to replace the third generation. Had it in my cart but my gut was saying wait.

This solidifies that decision. Hopefully this is part of next month’s announcements.
 
yeahhh I love AppleTV and I use it even more with Apple Arcade, especially local co-op games! Better CPU and GPU please
 
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I know Apple hates Google these days, but I would really hope they add VP9 support in hardware or even software at this point. YouTube has got to be one of their most popular apps, missing out on 4K content with the Apple TV is annoying. If I want to watch something in 4K, my TV has Chromecast built in and supports it, so I have to go that route.

Is VP9 free and open source? Why does Apple stick to propriety HVEC? Even then, why can't they just support both?

I hate Google but if they will give me FOSS codec, I will take it.
 
While indeed welcomed news, unless its going to including gaming console performance, its going to be a bit difficult to continue the $200 neighborhood with comparably featured streaming devices are available for half the price or less, far less on Black Friday. I paid $25 for my Fire Stick 4K, installed the AirPlay&UPIP app and have pretty much the same feature thats on my Apple TV 4K
you can’t compare A fire stick to an appletv. I hate using my moms and the clutter on the interface makes me angry. The app is horrible compared to appletv‘s. Apps in general on android devices aren’t wonderful. No Apple Music. Airplay workaround is still not native airplay.
200$ is cheap. Really it’s not a lot for something like this that you buy once every 3-4 years.
 
sounds like a waste unless Apple Arcade gets some worthwhile games. I played oceanhorn 2 and then cancelled
Eh!!??? There are tons of incredible games, my friends come to me to play co-op and party games! Super fun.
 
I love the remote! just enough keys, you don't have to turn on the light to figure out which one to press.

If you don't like the remote, you can pretty much use your existing TV remote with it.
I agree. The one issue I have is that it's far too easy to pick it up upside down without realizing it. Otherwise, I prefer it above any other remote I've used.
 
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While the Siri remote is beautiful looking, and I am not trying to assert that the design is a failure for everyone, the general consensus is that it is a classic example of form over function.

If you try to use the Siri remote for Apple Arcade games, it's almost undoubtably a subpar experience. And if you just want to rewind or forward by 10 seconds, touch gesture is also undoubtably not as intuitive as dedicated rewind/forward buttons. Combined with the design prone to accidental swipe, I think Apple can do better.

Apple obviously isn't in the business of making an ugly controller, so the ball is in their court to not regress too far in terms of design, while moving the functionality forward.

While I agree, they really should want people to better enjoy their services and shows. I bought an Apple TV for my 70 year old parents as they wanted to stream Disney plus. They struggled very much with the remote and ended up buying a universal remote. Even that is a bit glitchy and too confusing for them. What would be nice is just to also sell a normal remote for those who want it.
 
I had an AppleTV that died a year or so ago. I bought a $49 Roku, and haven't looked back. There's very little I miss from AppleTV, especially that damned remote. Really a disappointing product.
 
I just can't see what this would offer me over the Apple TV4K. I imagine this is them just giving it more horsepower for games.
 
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