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Anyone else still riding a horse and buggy? It rides fine and gets me where I'm going. I'm saving on gasoline, while all you losers rely on big oil.
It's not even just that. It's two major watchOS releases behind. Likely dozens of severe vulnerabilities have been found in watchOS since the first-gen watch was last updated. Not just in the app frameworks, but kernel vulnerabilities and Bluetooth/Wi-Fi vulnerabilities. Simply being in proximity to a public venue where a malicious actor is present might be enough to be compromised.

Not to mention, the first gen doesn't have a Secure Enclave. I find it hard to believe that the battery has held up fine after years of daily use, as my first gen barely lasted a day when it was new. It often hit 20% or less in the early evening by the time it was 2.5 years old, and had to get a top-up on the charger to make it through a full day.

Having had an S4, I'd never go back to the first gen. Grabbing a used S2 or an S3 on sale is a better choice in 2020, if price is the issue. The performance of the first gen was so terrible that some apps like Messages are so slow that they aren't practically usable. They technically "work." But waiting 20 seconds for the app to load into memory to send a quick "OK" isn't worth it. The convenience is completely mitigated by the performance of the watch. I'll just pull out my phone and be done with it. The newer models make those apps usable simply by being tolerably faster.

The first Apple Watch was the like original 2G iPhone. It broke a lot of ground, but it was quickly obsoleted by better, faster hardware that is far more capable and future-proof.
 
Anyone else still rocking a series0? Mine is still going strong, though it’s missing many new features due to the lack of updates. Battery has held up well after many years of daily use.

yeah, here. battery still holds until bedtime, everything else is as „fast“ as day one (meaning: pretty slow, but i‘m sometimes sceptical that loading data from an app over bluetooth is so much faster on the newer models). I thought maybe this year will be the year for a new model for me, but i will maybe hold out for another year, if the battery doesn‘t fail catastrophically. saves me money for the ps5.
 
It is:



Apple Watch Series 4Up to £80
Apple Watch Series 3Up to £60
Apple Watch Series 2Up to £50
 
$100 for a series 4 eh? Wow. Shows how much they screw people over on the pricing. And I love my series 5. But I’ll never deny how obnoxious the pricing structure of the watches are.
 
Pathetic value for an S4, you can sell it for hundreds on Swappa.

The S5 isn't even a worthy upgrade from the S4 anyway, I'm waiting for all-day LTE battery life improvements + front facing camera and better web browser support.
 
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It's not even just that. It's two major watchOS releases behind. Likely dozens of severe vulnerabilities have been found in watchOS since the first-gen watch was last updated.

<snipped blah blah blah>

How many people do you know have been compromised through their old Apple Watch running old watchOS?

None is the answer, because watchOS simply isn’t capable enough to be vulnerable to anything of any importance. To be vulnerable, it needs to be exploitable by an adversary, and it really isn’t. It could have all the security vulnerabilities in the world, but they’d be useless because there’s so little access available.
 
Not just generous - IDEAL (that is if you believe MacRumors article).

Yeah well, they clearly get paid by Apple. They’re part of their CSR dept ha.
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Pathetic value for an S4, you can sell it for hundreds on Swappa.

The S5 isn't even a worthy upgrade from the S4 anyway, I'm waiting for all-day LTE battery life improvements + front facing camera and better web browser support.

I upgraded to an S5 from an S4, because I’m an idiot and I liked the idea of the always on display. I’m also a sucker for titanium so I bought that one. I find the AOD a pain in the arse and a battery drain for the most part. The only point it’s useful is in a workout. The titanium however is lovely. But not £850 lovely.
 
Anyone else still riding a horse and buggy? It rides fine and gets me where I'm going. I'm saving on gasoline, while all you losers rely on big oil.
What is this all about? I’m just asking a question. Maybe you’re trying to be funny, or you completely misunderstood.
It's not even just that. It's two major watchOS releases behind. Likely dozens of severe vulnerabilities have been found in watchOS since the first-gen watch was last updated. Not just in the app frameworks, but kernel vulnerabilities and Bluetooth/Wi-Fi vulnerabilities. Simply being in proximity to a public venue where a malicious actor is present might be enough to be compromised.

Not to mention, the first gen doesn't have a Secure Enclave. I find it hard to believe that the battery has held up fine after years of daily use, as my first gen barely lasted a day when it was new. It often hit 20% or less in the early evening by the time it was 2.5 years old, and had to get a top-up on the charger to make it through a full day.

Having had an S4, I'd never go back to the first gen. Grabbing a used S2 or an S3 on sale is a better choice in 2020, if price is the issue. The performance of the first gen was so terrible that some apps like Messages are so slow that they aren't practically usable. They technically "work." But waiting 20 seconds for the app to load into memory to send a quick "OK" isn't worth it. The convenience is completely mitigated by the performance of the watch. I'll just pull out my phone and be done with it. The newer models make those apps usable simply by being tolerably faster.

The first Apple Watch was the like original 2G iPhone. It broke a lot of ground, but it was quickly obsoleted by better, faster hardware that is far more capable and future-proof.
Yeah, it still works just fine for my needs, and my plan was to run it into the ground before an upgrade. It’s more a test of the device’s limits than anything. I usually have around 40% battery at the end of the day. I don’t baby it along or anything. Usually if the battery life starts going south, a reboot cures it. That’s why I asked the question, to see if anyone else has kept theirs going this long. If nothing else, it’s a testament to the original design. I’ve had basic watches not last as long, and that was one of the complaints about the AW when it came out—too expensive for something that would go obsolete.
 
Wow... a whole $100 for a series 4 watch. So generous 🙄
I dunno, I think that they should offer $100 across the board, Series 0 to current. It will help get the old watches usefully and responsibility out of the system in exchange for the latest and greatest. It will also help save owners of the the latest models from themselves; "Just have to have the newest features? Here, we'll kick in $100. Otherwise, save your money, it's not the time to upgrade."
 
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I dunno, I think that they should offer $100 across the board, Series 0 to current. It will help get the old watches usefully and responsibility out of the system in exchange for the latest and greatest. It will also help save owners of the the latest models from themselves; "Just have to have the newest features? Here, we'll kick in $100. Otherwise, save your money, it's not the time to upgrade."

$200 and you might have a deal.
 
When I do the trade in process, I see this familiar sign.


Which is why I asked if Phobio is still involved.

What I meant by wondering about the retail stores handling this, is that rather than going to the Apple online store at all, one simply walks into his or her local Apple store, says, "hey, I want to buy a new Apple Watch and trade in my older one....." Like with the iPhones and iPads, it seems to me that it would make sense to be able to trade in the item right then and there at the store, no messing with sending it off to Phobio or some other outfit.....
 
$200 and you might have a deal.
That's possibly fair, the final number could use some thought, but that's the idea. Apple isn't in the business of competing with the likes of Swappa or eBay or whomever. People who want to get the most will do the extra legwork to make that happen. No skin off Apple's nose. But a reverse or equal trade-in rebate structure could be a factory-based incentive to get more users into the latest and greatest which would also help app sales and foster a more secure ecosystem. Turning Series 0 watch owners into Series 4 or 5 owners is a win for Apple, IMHO.
 
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What I meant by wondering about the retail stores handling this, is that rather than going to the Apple online store at all, one simply walks into his or her local Apple store, says, "hey, I want to buy a new Apple Watch and trade in my older one....." Like with the iPhones and iPads, it seems to me that it would make sense to be able to trade in the item right then and there at the store, no messing with sending it off to Phobio or some other outfit.....
I understood that. My guess from going thru the trade in process, is that it's still only phones you trade in in store, everything else seems to go thru Phobio. Which for me is a non starter, based on the horror stories posted here in Mac Rumors.
 
the catch is you have to buy the series 5 otherwise they are offering 60 for series 3!
 
Anyone else still rocking a series0? Mine is still going strong, though it’s missing many new features due to the lack of updates. Battery has held up well after many years of daily use.

Yep, sure do. I preordered when it first cam out. It’s still kickI gotta just fine. Battery life has degraded somewhat but still lasts through the day. It’s been through hell(I’m a welder, and is a little worse for wear. I just brok down and got a Series 4 last month. I swap them out from day. Put one on charge, I put the other one on. 👍

I‘ll wear it till it passes of natural causes. 😎
 

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What is this all about? I’m just asking a question. Maybe you’re trying to be funny, or you completely misunderstood.

Yeah, it still works just fine for my needs, and my plan was to run it into the ground before an upgrade. It’s more a test of the device’s limits than anything. I usually have around 40% battery at the end of the day. I don’t baby it along or anything. Usually if the battery life starts going south, a reboot cures it. That’s why I asked the question, to see if anyone else has kept theirs going this long. If nothing else, it’s a testament to the original design. I’ve had basic watches not last as long, and that was one of the complaints about the AW when it came out—too expensive for something that would go obsolete.

Unfortunately it seems like some folks are only in these forums to insult/mock everyone with a different viewpoint than their own.

To answer your question, I have a Series 4 and still have my Series 0.

I use the Series 0 as an silent alarm so I don’t disturb my wife in the morning. It still works fine for all the basics functions. Occasionally I even wear it all day. (I have a dressy metal band that is not compatible with the Series 4)

Outside of the decline in speed after updating to Watch OS4, my Series 0 has held up very well. Battery life is still good.
 
I understood that. My guess from going thru the trade in process, is that it's still only phones you trade in in store, everything else seems to go thru Phobio. Which for me is a non starter, based on the horror stories posted here in Mac Rumors.

I think I traded in an iPad one time at the Apple store, and yes, I have definitely traded in my iPhones each year. Trying to remember now for sure, but it seems to me that I traded in my iPad Pro 2 when I got the iPad Pro 3.....been a while ago now, though, not sure about that. Something like iPhones, iPads and watches would be easier for the stores to manage and assess than the computers and other stuff, of course.
 
Unfortunately it seems like some folks are only in these forums to insult/mock everyone with a different viewpoint than their own.

To answer your question, I have a Series 4 and still have my Series 0.

I use the Series 0 as an silent alarm so I don’t disturb my wife in the morning. It still works fine for all the basics functions. Occasionally I even wear it all day. (I have a dressy metal band that is not compatible with the Series 4)

Outside of the decline in speed after updating to Watch OS4, my Series 0 has held up very well. Battery life is still good.

There are people like that in every forum, doesn’t matter if it’s cars, computers, etc. They know everything about everything and anyone who thinks otherwise is simply wrong. LOL
 
I sold my  Watch(es) Nike Series 4 GPS + Mobile to my parents for AUD300 per watch. They're happy and I'm happy. Second hand Apple products up to two years old have a market value of about 50% of what their original price was so you have an envious friend or relative of your Apple products then approach them with that fair price.
 
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