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[derekshank]

If your not someone who collects movies, this doesn't mean anything but to those of us who do, we should absolutely NOT be forced to pick a walled garden to keep our movies in for the rest of our LIVES.....that's a long time...things change.

A couple of points.

1) I do collect movies and I have a way around a walled garden. iTunes movies are easy to remove DRM from. I couldn't figure out an easy way to do it with the UV movies I owned, so I downloaded them illegally, and never bought another one.

2) Yes... things do change. Which is why thinking you own a movie for the rest of your life is a little naive. Have you ever owned a VHS movie? Where is it now? Even if you still have the collection, they look terrible on modern TVs, and I only know of one person who still owns a VCR. They're essentially worthless.

Do we really believe that technology will never outgrow our current digital system? Who knows what we'll be doing 20 years from now? If history is any indication, you won't be doing what you're doing now.

But one thing I feel confident about is that I'll have a much better chance of adapting to future technologies with my DRM free collection than you will with your UV collection.

Having said that... I think the true future is that no one will own movies anymore. Fewer and fewer people are buying media even now. I'm guessing that the "Apple Music" monthly subscription is a model that is sure to be followed by the movie industry at some point in the not-too-distant future... and that you won't own movies as much as you'll subscribe to services that allow you to access them. And if that's the case, both my collection and yours will eventually seem outdated and silly.

I don't hold Apple on the same pedestal you do, which is probably one reason we see things differently.

Go back and read everything I've written. There is no point along the way that I've praised Apple or iTunes for the current situation. I've merely explained that I understand the motivations of the various parties and made note of my refusal to be hemmed in by any of them.

I love Apple hardware and the operating systems they run on... but that's the extent of it. I do not view the company on a pedestal. I think the way they handle media sales leaves a lot to be desired, which is why I've gone out of my way to work around it.

If I was the studios I would find a way to put pressure on the walled gardens to join. For right now everything works great for me, I have no complaints past not being able to continue using Apple gear.

Cool.

I also have no complaints, since I can do whatever I want with my library... including using Apple gear, and any other gear for that matter. If a day comes when Apple competitors make products that are superior enough to woo me away from Apple, I'll be bringing my entire library with me.

 

[shandyman]

I see now your from the UK....I have talked with several from over there on message boards and the consensus is, Ultraviolet doesn't work well over there. You need better places to access than what's available. When Vudu gets over there....well a whole new ball game. On the movie removal.....UV is the only service that guarantees your permanent rights to a movie. I have heard of cases where there was a temporary glitch or something to get corrected, both in itunes and UV but in all cases movies were restored. I have over 1400 movies plus TV series that are all UV and can attest, it works very well and very easy past the initial setup, and I have never had to call tech support...it just works.

iTunes works in the UK just as fine as in the US, Ultraviolet has been going for years and it's made no improvement in the UK since it launched. Yet another reason it's a bad thing. Apple and even Amazon are making the effort in other countries. UV doesn't. Just all talk. Vudu was meant to launch here just after the US, it still hasn't.

UV's guarantee is rubbish. These are movies removed totally. No temporary glitch. It was gone for 2-3 years. Think it's back there now, but still. Also, all the Marvel D2D got pulled. Obviously since it became Disney, but shows the 'guaranteed permanent rights to the movie' is hogwash if a studio bails on it.

 

[derekshank]

Also, all the Marvel D2D got pulled. Obviously since it became Disney, but shows the 'guaranteed permanent rights to the movie' is hogwash if a studio bails on it.

This is a very good point. I hadn't even thought about that angle. If Disney purchases another studio... what happens to the movies you paid for?

That's a serious issue... and just another reason that I have all of my own DRM free digital files stored on my hard drive.

Ownership of digital media is an interesting issue overall. When everything was physical, I could buy a book, or a CD, or a DVD, use it for a while, and then sell it to a 2nd hand book store. Digital stuff is far trickier... and really starts confusing the idea of ownership.

Apple Music is kind of revolutionary in this regard. You have access to virtually everything, but don't own any of it. Netflix and Hulu is probably just be the beginning. I wonder how long it is before Apple, Amazon, and Vudu all offer some sort of monthly subscription that gives you unlimited access to the entire movie/tv library? Purchasing/owning movies would grind to a virtual halt... and there would be no more controversy about what you can do with your own property.

 

[shandyman]

This is a very good point. I hadn't even thought about that angle. If Disney purchases another studio... what happens to the movies you paid for?

That's a serious issue... and just another reason that I have all of my own DRM free digital files stored on my hard drive.

Ownership of digital media is an interesting issue overall. When everything was physical, I could buy a book, or a CD, or a DVD, use it for a while, and then sell it to a 2nd hand book store. Digital stuff is far trickier... and really starts confusing the idea of ownership.

Apple Music is kind of revolutionary in this regard. You have access to virtually everything, but don't own any of it. Netflix and Hulu is probably just be the beginning. I wonder how long it is before Apple, Amazon, and Vudu all offer some sort of monthly subscription that gives you unlimited access to the entire movie/tv library? Purchasing/owning movies would grind to a virtual halt... and there would be no more controversy about what you can do with your own property.

People on the anti iTunes thread use the 'it could be pulled at any minute' argument against it, but I don't think anything ever had, not intentionally anyway. UV has already done it.

At least with iTunes it's easy to download and backup a copy. With some of the UV stuff, at the time of redeeming, you couldn't download a HD version, only stream it for some of the films I had through it. I have my standard iTunes DRM downloaded and I have DRM free backups, just in case.

 

[tanfan]

A couple of points.

1) I do collect movies and I have a way around a walled garden. iTunes movies are easy to remove DRM from. I couldn't figure out an easy way to do it with the UV movies I owned, so I downloaded them illegally, and never bought another one.

2) Yes... things do change. Which is why thinking you own a movie for the rest of your life is a little naive. Have you ever owned a VHS movie? Where is it now? Even if you still have the collection, they look terrible on modern TVs, and I only know of one person who still owns a VCR. They're essentially worthless.

Do we really believe that technology will never outgrow our current digital system? Who knows what we'll be doing 20 years from now? If history is any indication, you won't be doing what you're doing now.

But one thing I feel confident about is that I'll have a much better chance of adapting to future technologies with my DRM free collection than you will with your UV collection.

Having said that... I think the true future is that no one will own movies anymore. Fewer and fewer people are buying media even now. I'm guessing that the "Apple Music" monthly subscription is a model that is sure to be followed by the movie industry at some point in the not-too-distant future... and that you won't own movies as much as you'll subscribe to services that allow you to access them. And if that's the case, both my collection and yours will eventually seem outdated and silly.


Go back and read everything I've written. There is no point along the way that I've praised Apple or iTunes for the current situation. I've merely explained that I understand the motivations of the various parties and made note of my refusal to be hemmed in by any of them.

I love Apple hardware and the operating systems they run on... but that's the extent of it. I do not view the company on a pedestal. I think the way they handle media sales leaves a lot to be desired, which is why I've gone out of my way to work around it.


Cool.

I also have no complaints, since I can do whatever I want with my library... including using Apple gear, and any other gear for that matter. If a day comes when Apple competitors make products that are superior enough to woo me away from Apple, I'll be bringing my entire library with me.

Ok, I assumed you were ripping blurays? never even heard of removing DRM from an itunes copy...Legal? 20 years down the road who knows, I agree. But digital is a little different. Never heard of taking a VHS back to the store and pay a small fee to upgrade to a DVD, however with digital we are doing that already. I have upgraded the quality on just about every movie too HDX and UHD coming soon.
like this, digital should out live, say a VHS copy.
I'm just not going to let mine get locked in since I've never been one of these 100% Apple or nothing people. I almost switched to the Galaxy S6 Edge Plus last year but decided to wait. I am switching to the S7 edge plus in march though. I think it's going to be if not the best, one of the best phones out this year and wow those gold Edge models are cool! Another reason is Samsung pay. I think they have the best mobile payment set up out there....and it's not close imo.
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iTunes works in the UK just as fine as in the US, Ultraviolet has been going for years and it's made no improvement in the UK since it launched. Yet another reason it's a bad thing. Apple and even Amazon are making the effort in other countries. UV doesn't. Just all talk. Vudu was meant to launch here just after the US, it still hasn't.

UV's guarantee is rubbish. These are movies removed totally. No temporary glitch. It was gone for 2-3 years. Think it's back there now, but still. Also, all the Marvel D2D got pulled. Obviously since it became Disney, but shows the 'guaranteed permanent rights to the movie' is hogwash if a studio bails on it.

No changing your mind, peace out.

 

[shandyman]

No changing your mind, peace out.

Well, since your 'guaranteed permanent rights to the movie' is as much use as toilet paper in a rainstorm, there's no chance. You give the die hard Apple fans a run for their money in playing promoter for UV/Vudu.... Apparently they can do no wrong.