New Dell Display looks really nice

[Hot Snowboarder]

It's not LED.

But it's a desktop monitor. You're not moving from conference room to conference room and need the screen on and ready to go instantly like with a laptop.

It's going to take 3 seconds to warm up when you turn it on in the morning.

At 400nits its brighter than the 24" ACD anyway. Also you won't get better blacks from an ACD.

Did I mention it's matte!!!!

 

[Superman07]

Snowboarder, thanks for the write up. I liked the look of the old display better (frame and stand), but your real world pictures don't have it looking as bad. Would love to see some still photos of a source hooked up in action (PS3, Xbox, Blu-ray player, etc.) if you have anything.

 

[dyn]

It's not LED.

But it's a desktop monitor. You're not moving from conference room to conference room and need the screen on and ready to go instantly like with a laptop.

LED's use less power than the CCFL's do. Most people who want the LED backlit screens want them because they use less power. LED's also live a bit longer than CCFL's do. It's not just thinner screens that tickle people, it's mostly their wallet (especially in times like these ).

 

[drewsof07]

it's mostly their wallet (especially in times like these ).

Soo.. your theory is people will shell out $300 more to save ~$10 a year on their electric? That's stretching it.

Edit: Okay, I officially proclaim Apple has the most user-friendly automated customer service system. This is effing ridiculous... I've been transferred three times and on hold for over 30 minutes with Dell..

Edit 2...Have been transferred an additional 3 times for a total of 6.. and I don't even have an RMA yet..

 

[dyn]

Soo.. your theory is people will shell out $300 more to save ~$10 a year on their electric? That's stretching it.

Nope. When displays get bigger than LED can be quite a difference in the amount of Watts. There are some 24" screens with CCFL's that run at about 75~150 Watts. The LED versions run at a something like 25~50 Watts. Most monitors with LED's will save about 30% but it can go up to 50%. A very big difference especially since energy is not cheap in every country (not every country wastes energy as much as the USA does, most even have law to reduce energy which mostly comes down to higher taxes; the EU even does ridiculous things as banning the incandescent light bulb because we all should be using LED's instead...). In Europe this would mean you could save about 100 euro a year. So no, it's not stretching it and it's not a theory but simply reality.

For comparison: this Dell monitor will use 75 Watt, a Samsung P2370 (which has LED) only uses 30 Watts.

Edit: Okay, I officially proclaim Apple has the most user-friendly automated customer service system. This is effing ridiculous... I've been transferred three times and on hold for over 30 minutes with Dell..

Edit 2...Have been transferred an additional 3 times for a total of 6.. and I don't even have an RMA yet..

That's really unfortunate. Whenever I call Dell I need to go through an entire menu before reaching someone and I might even end up waiting for a couple of minutes because they're too busy. Apple is no exception to this btw. Dell will give an RMA and instructions on what to do, Apple always tells me to visit the nearest APR or AASP (so next time I'll just visit one instead of calling Apple).

 

[Outrigger]

Dell laptops have the same specs and same parts as Apple laptops. Apple displays are expensive for a reason. They are better made, more reliable and have better design. Well worth paying the extra money over some cheap rubbish Dell.

Normally I don't like to waste time and bandwidth to people who have zero clude on what they're talking about but I'll make an exception.

Apple doesn't make Monitors, they design them. The panels are not made by Apple. Dell, Samsung, Apple...they buy panels from ODMs. I suggest you try to look like you know what you're talking about so you don't look so quite foolish and ignorant.

Second, you must be attracted to shiny stuff. So I'll sell you a brand new shiny quarter for a buck. Deal?

 

[nanofrog]

Normally I don't like to waste time and bandwidth to people who have zero clude on what they're talking about but I'll make an exception.

Apple doesn't make Monitors, they design them. The panels are not made by Apple. Dell, Samsung, Apple...they buy panels from ODMs. I suggest you try to look like you know what you're talking about so you don't look so quite foolish and ignorant.

Second, you must be attracted to shiny stuff. So I'll sell you a brand new shiny quarter for a buck. Deal?

Samsung makes their own panels (Semiconductor site - LCD panels), and sell them to other manufacturers, as well as operate as an ODM source for other companies, such as Dell.

 

[Hot Snowboarder]

Snowboarder, thanks for the write up. I liked the look of the old display better (frame and stand), but your real world pictures don't have it looking as bad. Would love to see some still photos of a source hooked up in action (PS3, Xbox, Blu-ray player, etc.) if you have anything.

I will post some PS3 metal gear solid and gran turismo this afternoon.

Didn't know anything bout metal gear solid and bought it the other week. Best freakin game I have ever played!

 

[Outrigger]

Samsung makes their own panels (Semiconductor site - LCD panels), and sell them to other manufacturers, as well as operate as an ODM source for other companies, such as Dell.

Yes, Samsung is both an ODM as well as a retail and manufacturing outlet.

 

[nanofrog]

Yes, Samsung is both an ODM as well as a retail and manufacturing outlet.

I read your earlier post that Samsung had to use another companies panels to make their own models.

 

[spacepower7]

Dell U2410

I've been really busy the past week so I haven't had time to form a final opinion yet.

Overall I'm liking the display but I have one issue.

This is something I noticed, then read in another review.

My U2410 has a clockwise tilt, the direction that you turn the display to put it in portrait mode.

Does anyone else have this issue? It's rather irritating considering the price of the LCD. Maybe there is some way to straighten and tighten it since I don't plan on using portrait mode.

Any ideas?

 

[MaggieDana]

Font rendition on Del U2410

I'm a book designer and typesetter and the way fonts render on-screen is more important to me than color. I wasn't impressed by the way the type appeared in a PDF (had to reduce to fit the screen b/c PDF was 36" x 18") that I gave the Apple salesman to throw up on a 24" ACD. Fuzzy, hard to read. The glossy screen made it look even worse. How does the Del U2410 render fonts, especially at 12 points and lower?

 

[cosrocket]

I've been really busy the past week so I haven't had time to form a final opinion yet.

Overall I'm liking the display but I have one issue.

This is something I noticed, then read in another review.

My U2410 has a clockwise tilt, the direction that you turn the display to put it in portrait mode.

Does anyone else have this issue? It's rather irritating considering the price of the LCD. Maybe there is some way to straighten and tighten it since I don't plan on using portrait mode.

Any ideas?

Check out the bottom of the page here:

http://www.hardforum.com/showthread.php?t=1441159&page=29

 

[jjahshik32]

It's not LED.

But it's a desktop monitor. You're not moving from conference room to conference room and need the screen on and ready to go instantly like with a laptop.

It's going to take 3 seconds to warm up when you turn it on in the morning.

At 400nits its brighter than the 24" ACD anyway. Also you won't get better blacks from an ACD.

Did I mention it's matte!!!!

After 3-6 months use of the CCFL backlighting monitors it will take 2-3 minutes to get to full brightness. And after 1-5 years it'll take almost 5 minutes to warm up. I'd take the LED backlighting which produces much cleaner pictures and easier on the eyes with instant backlighting which hardly ever dims and looks as bright as the first day I turned it on even after 10+ years!

My 24" LED ACD is almost a year old (this december as I bought this display last december) and it looks as bright as the first day I turned it on with instantaneous clear vivid image when I turn it on in the morning (or occasionally off and on as many times I need to during the day).

I owned the 23" ACD, 20" ACD, 30" ACD, Dell 2407 and 2408 both S-IPS panels using CCFL backlighting, and after 6 months use I always have to crank up the notch of brightness by 2-3 notches more just to match the original 1 notch or even 0 notches of brightness when the monitor was new.

Thats the reason I love the LED display, it never dims after months/years and it turns on full brightness without looking blurry/muddy instantaneously.

I dont know why but I feel as if all monitors should be LED backlit by now (but I have no idea why only laptops are offered with LED backlighting but not the desktop monitors).

Like I always mention about my 24" LED ACD, out of all my toys thats on my sig, I love my 24" LED ACD the best!

The sad part is that most desktop monitors with CCFL backlighting looks less vivid as to say even my 17" mbp which does have the same 1920x1200 resolution but has a crappier TN panel. I guess TN vs. S-PVA on most average monitors. Anyways everyday whenever I turn on my 24" LED ACD my eyes goes @_@.

Especially when you run some high resolution games (I.E. the new Batman game I installed under bootcamp on my mac pro, my gawd!! Joker's face looks incredibly vivid, even better than my sony bravia xbr6 could ever reproduce!!). All I can say is that it looks INSANELY VIVID!!

 

[uv23]

Very tempted by this. I need an external monitor sooner than later, but am still holding out for an ACD price drop and/or mate option.

 

[c.s.]

I received mine today, and have already packaged it back up and returned it to Dell. I'm going to happily pay the restocking fee and get a refurbished LED ACD.

I had the slight tilt others have noted (doesn't sit perfectly horizontal) and was very unimpressed by the color accuracy and viewing angle. The only reason I wanted to try it was because of the matte screen and multiple inputs. Since I already own an older ACD, I guess I've been spoiled. This thing doesn't even touch the ACD. I guess I'll deal with glass.

 

[Superman07]

I received mine today, and have already packaged it back up and returned it to Dell. I'm going to happily pay the restocking fee and get a refurbished LED ACD.

I had the slight tilt others have noted (doesn't sit perfectly horizontal) and was very unimpressed by the color accuracy and viewing angle. The only reason I wanted to try it was because of the matte screen and multiple inputs. Since I already own an older ACD, I guess I've been spoiled. This thing doesn't even touch the ACD. I guess I'll deal with glass.

So the link above does not fix the tilt problem?

How did you go about calibrating the screen before you determined the colors were not accurate? I'd like to avoid that method if it does not work.

 

[Hot Snowboarder]

I received mine today, and have already packaged it back up and returned it to Dell. I'm going to happily pay the restocking fee and get a refurbished LED ACD.

I had the slight tilt others have noted (doesn't sit perfectly horizontal) and was very unimpressed by the color accuracy and viewing angle. The only reason I wanted to try it was because of the matte screen and multiple inputs. Since I already own an older ACD, I guess I've been spoiled. This thing doesn't even touch the ACD. I guess I'll deal with glass.

Was I just lucky with mine? Sits perfectly level and the viewing angle is literally 180 degrees horizontal and vertical.

 

[dyn]

I found a review on the U2410 at tftcentral.co.uk: Dell U2410 Review. They really like the colours and the lesser input lag compared to the previous 2408WFP. However they do mention that colours improve when you calibrate the screen, the default calibration is quite wrong (which is mostly the case for a TFT screen unfortunately).

If you run Snow Leopard you might find the colours are a little off. Snow Leopard has serious colour issues and calibrating does not resolve any of those issues (going back to Leopard does). Iow, it might not even be the monitor but Snow Leopard that is causing the bad colours. Apparently Apple has done more than just change the gamma into 2.2. Take a look at discussions.apple.com and search the MacRumor forums, quite some information about these issues.

@ jjahshik32: CCFL is different than LED but not necessarily better. My 30" Dell (3008WFP to be precise) is now more then 6 months old. My calibration software still tells me that the colours are ok and nothing has changed regarding the CCFL backlight. CCFL in the end will slowly decade, a LED will just stop working all of a sudden. They both just don't do that within 6 months. If I'll measure again in about 1,5 years I think I will see a difference in brightness with the CCFL but not very much. There are also other things that can influence the lifespan of CCFL/LED: how many hours a you use the screen, the brightness level, how many times you turn it on/off, etc. The room you're in also attributes to the brightness level. You need less in a darker room. MacBook Pro's adjust the brightness level to the amount of light the sensor is measuring. It dims the screen if it's dark, and ups the brightness when you're in a light environment. The brightness also has an effect on how colours look. That's why calibration software mostly have the option to auto-calibrate the screen according to the light level they measure in the room.

I have never seen the problems you describe with monitors regarding the use of CCFL or LED. They only times I did see things like blurryness were caused by a defect in the monitor (bad inverter board or something like that).

Btw, before doing any calibration you'll have to wait at least 30 minutes after you switched on the monitor. Why? Because it needs to settle down (and this is not only due to things like CCFL/LED, there are more components in a monitor).

 

[tmoney468]

Nope. When displays get bigger than LED can be quite a difference in the amount of Watts. There are some 24" screens with CCFL's that run at about 75~150 Watts. The LED versions run at a something like 25~50 Watts. Most monitors with LED's will save about 30% but it can go up to 50%. A very big difference especially since energy is not cheap in every country (not every country wastes energy as much as the USA does, most even have law to reduce energy which mostly comes down to higher taxes; the EU even does ridiculous things as banning the incandescent light bulb because we all should be using LED's instead...). In Europe this would mean you could save about 100 euro a year. So no, it's not stretching it and it's not a theory but simply reality.

For comparison: this Dell monitor will use 75 Watt, a Samsung P2370 (which has LED) only uses 30 Watts.


That's really unfortunate. Whenever I call Dell I need to go through an entire menu before reaching someone and I might even end up waiting for a couple of minutes because they're too busy. Apple is no exception to this btw. Dell will give an RMA and instructions on what to do, Apple always tells me to visit the nearest APR or AASP (so next time I'll just visit one instead of calling Apple).

Sorry, but you cannot compare the power usage of a H-IPS screen to that of a crappy TN & LED screen. IPS screens by their very nature use more power than TN panels, so your comparison between CCFL and LED is invalid.

If you can find the power usage of say an H-IPS and LED screen (like the 24" Cinema Display) and then compare that to the power usage of the U2410, then that would be a proper comparison.