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Would sure love to see some scrutiny here on MacRumors. Looks like it would be an Apple controlled forum.
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Everything here gets that much attention.
Scrutiny of what? Look around, there are plenty of Apple bashers here.
Yes but Windows gets 1-2 service packs while Apple gives up to 11 so far. Surely throughout 11 point updates enough code changes are made like a service pack.
Currenly no intel macs with 32 bit EFI can boot 64 bit kernel with SL. So even if it can be possible in the future, it's likely that the release of SL won't support 64 bit kernel on each 64 bit intel mac.
Yes, it does deliver more than one Mac OS X update, but between two service packs Apple usally delivers multiple Mac OS X updates.
Also, service packs only added major new features in the case of XP. XP is one very old OS and needed new features (WPA2, Wifi config tool, security center, firewall) to keep up with the rest of the industry. Vista service packs do not deliver much more than the updates that were already released on Windows Update. Snow Leopard is in no way the same as a Windows service pack...
In my opinion, Leopard is buggy and not polished at all (localization is messed up, graphical glitches/errors etc., much slower than Tiger) and Snow Leopard fixes all these little bugs and is faster.
@HyperZboy
I suspect Apple has held back new features to prevent backlash from PPC users surrounding the update. By the time we see 10.7, Apple will have passed their traditional 5-year guideline for hardware support. Frankly, I don't have any problems with the company dropping PPC support anyway, as most PPC users I know would need to be convinced to buy the update in the first place.
Regarding PPC support, we're not talking about checking a box in Xcode to compile for the architecture. I believe Apple already maintains separate 32-bit and 64-bit versions of system frameworks. If by "just as easily", you mean rewrite frameworks for the architecture, I agree wholeheartedly.
Whether SL is a "new" operating system depends on your definition of "new". I would argue that things like time machine and stacks qualify an update as a service pack while features like GC and OCL qualify it as new. It really comes down to marketing.
I wouldn't consider myself a fanboy any more than I consider you a troll. That said, it never ceases to amaze me that everyone who agrees with Apple is considered a fanboy, regardless of the topic or opinion. Fanboys do exist and probably hurt companies in the end, but not everyone lacks objectivity.
I suspect Apple has held back new features to prevent backlash from PPC users surrounding the update. By the time we see 10.7, Apple will have passed their traditional 5-year guideline for hardware support. Frankly, I don't have any problems with the company dropping PPC support anyway, as most PPC users I know would need to be convinced to buy the update in the first place.
Regarding PPC support, we're not talking about checking a box in Xcode to compile for the architecture. I believe Apple already maintains separate 32-bit and 64-bit versions of system frameworks. If by "just as easily", you mean rewrite frameworks for the architecture, I agree wholeheartedly.
Whether SL is a "new" operating system depends on your definition of "new". I would argue that things like time machine and stacks qualify an update as a service pack while features like GC and OCL qualify it as new. It really comes down to marketing.
I wouldn't consider myself a fanboy any more than I consider you a troll. That said, it never ceases to amaze me that everyone who agrees with Apple is considered a fanboy, regardless of the topic or opinion. Fanboys do exist and probably hurt companies in the end, but not everyone lacks objectivity.
I don't know what kind of mac you compared both but on my Mac Pro Leopard is much faster than Tiger on the majority of the work I do. And not buggy at all. I only have issues with Safari sometimes which is pretty much about Flash crashing. I have no clue about localization though. And I haven't seen any graphical glitches/errors with 8800GT/9600GT.
I had to look at your other posts to get some perspective on your post.
We will not see a cocoa-based web server in the near future. Most hosting providers would not run the Mac OS if there were one. When the Mac includes so many web technologies out-of-the box that will run on any UNIX server, I don't see what the problem is with using the Mac to build "robust web applications".
Since you mentioned ruby on rails in another post... you know that most rails screencasts are done using a Mac, Terminal, and TextMate, right?
For him, he hasn't encountered any bugs. For you, well you find fault in everything except yourself. Vocal minority? It's just vocal you, one person doesn't make a minority.
Everybody interpets words differently. I could interpret bag of hurt into at least 3 other ways. I could interpret your IQ the same way. Although so far, it's been pretty negative. Apple never operates on a "whim" of Jobs. He was getting a new liver and Apple still functioned quite well. He was probably under surgery and Apple was still operating as a company.
I never understood the benefits of Blu-ray. Sure, it's better and clearer, but is it worth it? Instead of going to the movies, you sit at home on a 50" (or less) HDTV with a >$200 Blu-ray player, >$500 home theatre system. A good HDTV costs $2000 or so. So if you want a quality Blu-ray experience, you have to shell out nearly $3000, or 3 grand. The movies cost like $10 a ticket, you can sit there all day with true surround sound, a >100" screen. Oh, and instead of sitting at home with no wife or kids (geek), you can bring a date or friend(s) with you to the movie theatre. That's my opinion for Blu-ray movies.
Now onto Blu-ray discs for storage. They cost like $100 for 25 discs. The hardware costs $100 for a quality Blu-ray burner. What do you get? Longer recording times. Variable compatibility. I can bring a DVD to all my friends/family and know that it will play on their computer and/or TV. If I bring a Blu-ray disc, I'm worried about losing it because it costs a fortune to buy in the first place.
For people that buy Blu-ray discs, how about we have flash drives? Instead of buying a BLu-ray movie, buy a flash drive with a movie on it. Smaller, easier, and cheaper. Oh, and flash reads way faster than Blu-ray can. And they don't cost a fortune.
Not to sound like a jerk, but you do need to realize technology moves on! Hell, its not like your PPC is useless, it just wont handle the NEWEST system. See how many PC's from 3 years ago will run windows 7, or even Vista! I work with PC's and Macs all day, and you are honestly lucky to get more than three years out of one even running the original OS, let alone the newest one. Like others say, enjoy leopard, or move on.
On a MacBook with a slow hard disk, there is a big difference in startup and shutdown speed between Tiger and Leopard. Graphical errors can be as simple as this:
- Enable Graphite
- Make a Cocoa window inactive
That results in:
Notice the last one... Leopard has many of these small errors and unpolished bits (they are fixed in Snow Leopard though). It's great that Leopard works fine for you and many others I guess, for me, it doesn't. I don't like it, I will move on to Snow Leopard and forget about Leopard as soon as possible.
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About localization, my primary language is Dutch. But when I insert and empty disc, an English popup will come up telling me I've inserted an empty CD. That's stange because that same window was translated in Dutch in Tiger. Not that I can't read English, it's just stupid. Again, fixed in Snow Leopard.
Then that is a poor job on Apples part as a 64bit CPU will run a 64bit kernel just fine. Pinning it on EFI seems very arbitrary.
IMO 10.7 Lynx, 10.8 Cougar, 10.9 Lion and then perhaps they will rebrand on the decimal for want of more cool names and just to keep that silly idea alive
.I don't really think that counts for a graphical glitch. It's totally unimportant and wouldn't bother me at all even if I was using graphite instead of blue. Leopard had much more serious bugs when you dig into it. What you do is report them through bugreporter and then they get fixed. About boot time and shutdown time, I didn't compare them to Tiger honestly but since I don't really shut down my mac often I don't notice how long/short it is/was.On a MacBook with a slow hard disk, there is a big difference in startup and shutdown speed between Tiger and Leopard. Graphical errors can be as simple as this:
- Enable Graphite
- Make a Cocoa window inactive
That results in:
Notice the last one... Leopard has many of these small errors and unpolished bits (they are fixed in Snow Leopard though). It's great that Leopard works fine for you and many others I guess, for me, it doesn't. I don't like it, I will move on to Snow Leopard and forget about Leopard as soon as possible.
Edit:
About localization, my primary language is Dutch. But when I insert and empty disc, an English popup will come up telling me I've inserted an empty CD. That's stange because that same window was translated in Dutch in Tiger. Not that I can't read English, it's just stupid. Again, fixed in Snow Leopard.
Leopard performs tasks faster than Tiger and that's what counts. Not that it takes couple seconds more to boot. And regardless of what is fixed in SL, first releases of SL will bring more bugs than the current release of Leopard I'm sure. And the fact that SL boots/shuts faster than Leopard is mostly because they dropped PPC code.
IMO 10.7 Lynx, 10.8 Cougar, 10.9 Lion and then perhaps they will rebrand on the decimal for want of more cool names and just to keep that silly idea alive
I'm actually hoping that they switch to 11.X after SL.
I wouldn't be surprised if they made the switch to 11. Both Windows and OSX are due in the next iteration or three for a significant jump in OS technology (more web based? etc etc).
Whether important or not it would be nice if things like that got addressed outside of paid upgrades, or I guess for PPC ppl, not at all now.
Re reporting bugs, I've reported the iTunes dashboard widget bugs and associated crashes more than 20 times since Tiger was released; I'm still waiting - maybe in whatever comes after SL? Same deal with everything I've reported multiple times; in fact I don't think anything I've reported has ever been fixed - I call conspiracy
.It's things like this that people notice - like Finder's toolbar's 'back/forward' button having had no 'forward' in text only mode, ever since Panther came along. They're not necessarily "important", but they get noticed because of who Mac users are and what they expect - and they take a very long time to get fixed.
I guess we must be the only ones that think it's vile. Unlike the sheep.
Frightening that a new quicktime Logo and some desktop pictures are getting this much attention. They are graphics NOTHING MORE....
Would sure love to see some scrutiny here on MacRumors. Looks like it would be an Apple controlled forum.
Yeah, they are so easily pleased. Throw them a doggy biscuit.
Frightening that a new quicktime Logo and some desktop pictures are getting this much attention. They are graphics NOTHING MORE....
Would sure love to see some scrutiny here on MacRumors. Looks like it would be an Apple controlled forum.
One word, it's called eye candy. Icon's and wallpaper are important to people because it completes the overall experience that they have with their operating system.
The Dock is always in view which is why people want to see icon's that are visually pleasing as apposed to something that's boring and ugly.
People tend to become addicted to colors that are pleasing to the eye, which is why so many people look forward to new theme's, icon's, wallpaper, etc.
Same goes for the new black, glossy translucent theme. I guess you could call it stimulation.
I'll admit, I was very excited to see the new wallpaper and icons, I have been anticipating them for a long time. Good job apple!
If they are just graphics then why do we need a new UI at all? why don't we just stick with the Apple UI from 1995? If nobody cared about graphics then there wouldn't be so many wallpaper websites and we would be stuck with the UI from the 1980's.
and what about the folks that quote things out of context so they can look clever.
Yes. I. Went. There.
and don't forget the applications. two of Apple's premiere programs are Final Cut and Logic. Look at how much has changed in the last 3 years with those. And what changes are coming up. Just with Final Cut, you'll have improved blu-ray or whatever comes after it, someone will be yelling for imax support, digital 3d support, better compression etc.
you really think that some PPC g4 is going to be able to handle that kind of rendering without blowing several gaskets. Heck I have a 1.2 ghz g3 that I use just for email and such and it can't even handle imovie without threatening to croak. (which is why I have my new imac thankfully)
Would sure love to see some scrutiny here on MacRumors. Looks like it would be an Apple controlled forum.
Sadly, the Mac users here are too busy fighting off the "Macs are crap and only idiots buy them" spewing trolls to have any critical discussion amongst ourselves.
If we could purge the chronic griefers once and for all (or if MacRumors would start bringing the ban hammer down on the obvious trolls), you'd see the quality of discussion here go way up.
Whether important or not it would be nice if things like that got addressed outside of paid upgrades, or I guess for PPC ppl, not at all now.
Re reporting bugs, I've reported the iTunes dashboard widget bugs and associated crashes more than 20 times since Tiger was released; I'm still waiting - maybe in whatever comes after SL? Same deal with everything I've reported multiple times; in fact I don't think anything I've reported has ever been fixed - I call conspiracy
It's things like this that people notice - like Finder's toolbar's 'back/forward' button having had no 'forward' in text only mode, ever since Panther came along. They're not necessarily "important", but they get noticed because of who Mac users are and what they expect - and they take a very long time to get fixed.
Well, if you are reporting a bug and it's not getting fixed, it's most likely that they can't reproduce the bug. I've reported around 12 bugs since the release of Leopard and majority of them got fixed over time. But all the ones that got fixed were reproducible 100% and they were reproducible in freshly installed Leopards with no 3rd party software. I suggest you try that approach, keep a clean copy of Leopard in another partition, and only use it to keep track of bugs. And also the bugs I've reported were more important than the graphical inconsistency you pointed out, so it's possible that they go for the more dangerous bugs before they even get to yours.
Stop there, who are you to decide these things are totally unimportant? Apple is known for their great interfaces and I don't want to look at those silly errors. You may not notice it, I do, because I care about my interface.
I told you already that I think Leopard is buggy... It's just my feeling, didn't have such a feeling so much in Tiger.
Well.. duh? I've done that for every bug I encountered and yes they got fixed.. Only not in Leopard but in Snow Leopard. Believe me, these bugs will not be fixed anymore in Leopard.
I use sleep all the time, but I think it shows how unoptimized Leopard is since Snow Leopard shuts down way faster than both Tiger and Leopard.
Again, you can't decide for everyone what counts or what doesn't count. I find that pretty rude... Leopard does NOT perform tasks faster on my MacBook, but I'm not saying it performs tasks much slower. Maybe it does on your ultra fast Mac Pro, it does not on my 2007 MacBook.
That's why I like Snow Leopard, all the animations are just as smooth as in Tiger. In Leopard, Exposé and Dashboard etc are choppy as hell (GMA950). You will probably just say it doesn't count... Well, in my opinion it counts for the overall experience.
Maybe yes, maybe not, we can't say that for sure can we? Tiger was buggy at first, but later on it became a very solid OS if you ask me. Leopard, in my opinion, is currently not on the same level.
That might be true, I can't say yes or no to that because I don't know what Apple has done to optimize Snow Leopard besides removing PPC code.