New eMacs

[dontmatter]

Yes. This is exaclty what apple needs.

Now, where's the media campaign so people know apple makes other than high end computers with no software (and of course he ipod)?

I'd like to see the whole line updated (duh) and an ad campaign to sell the whole line, or rather apple as a company and of course, the OS. We need a "look, here's a comprehensive (minus headless imac) line of computers that kick ass-they're throughly competitive for price and specs, and the OS absolutely rocks"

The usual policy of ads for PMs and PBs (and ipod) just perpetuates apple's problem-they're like a designer doing giant glossy ads in the new yorker, not because the average reader is going to have the money to buy their stuff, but so the average reader, and everybody else, knows that they are exclusive thing. apple does the same thing, and so everybody thinks, yeah, apple's are great for people with video rendering to do, but they don't have anything for me.

But, an emac campaign would be foolhardy, because apple does need to keep it's designer status, to a degree, but just have it be, look, we're Mercedes, and you can now have one too!

sorry for all the bad analogies

 

[limi]

New eMacs, not to be confused with GNU-EMACS. = )

Yeah, no kidding - where's the viMac?

On a related note - I would buy an eMac for the same price as this if it came without the monitor attached.

A similarly specced cubeMac with no monitor and the same price/specs as this one would make me a switcher today. I'm not sacrificing my beautiful LCD for a 16" CRT.

Bring on the eCube!

 

[CubeHacker]

I can't find any reference to the speed of the hard drives in the eMacs. Are they 7200?

The original 40gb Hard Drive in my eMac was a 5400rpm Maxtor. It was so quiet, i almost felt bad replacing it. Chances are that the 40gb is still a 5400rpm, and the 80gb is 7200. Don't hold me to that though

 

[jxyama]

Wow, I just realized, you can get a 1.25 GHz eMac with a superdrive, AND a 14" 1 GHz iBook all for $100 LESS than a 15" 1.25 GHz PB with a superdrive...

That really makes you think. Kinda makes the portability argument bunk.

well, how are you going to coordinate the data between the two machines?
what if you need certain data on the road but it's on the eMac? if you wanted to bunk the portability argument, just getting an iBook suffices. if you need the power of PB on the go, then PB is the only choice. iBook+eMac does not equate to portable PB because iBook is not a PB.

it's all about priority... for the price of a porche, you can get an economy sedan and a pickup truck, both with the same horsepower...

 

[Wonder Boy]

thats a hell of a system for the price. there is you sub 1000k mac.

 

[Trowaman]

I will say the only thing they could have done better is Firewire 800.

I'm not complaining all things considered, but for the eMac, that would be the only other improvement they could have easily done but did not.

 

[Dippo]

Yes, with new video cards now reaching to 256MB on the Windows side, 32 is rather lame. It would be great to be able to get a BTO for at least a 64MB card.

The 256MB cards will cost you about half the price of the eMac!
Most of the low end system today do come with about 64MB but that is shared memory, so take your pick.

The 9200 is actually a decent card for most work, and probably can do a small amount of gaming. It's certianly better than some of the video cards that low end PCs come with.

My radeon 7500 could even play Halo...not well, but it did play.

 

[m-dogg]

eMac + iBook? Hmmmmmm.........

"Wow, I just realized, you can get a 1.25 GHz eMac with a superdrive, AND a 14" 1 GHz iBook all for $100 LESS than a 15" 1.25 GHz PB with a superdrive...

That really makes you think. Kinda makes the portability argument bunk."


>> That's exactly what I was thinking! It will be interesting to see how these upcoming product updates shake out, but I may go with an eMac w/superdrive & 160gb and a 12" iBook - Never thought I'd find myself saying that...

Luckily, I can wait it out to see how everything shakes out.....becasue a G5 PB could change me back to PB....

 

[El Duderino]

me and my dad have been searching for something to get my mom, i might be able to convince him of this

 

[windowsblowsass]

starting from the bottom and working their way up? next imac then ibook then pb then pm?

makes senseespecially if their hqving problems with pm proccessors dump some old ones into the imac and bump the laptops and look youve bought some time

 

[7254278]

Dissapointed but not Complaining

First of all to powerbook useres let me say hahahahahahahahahahahah!!!!!!
But look at the advantages! The eMac is currently outdoing the iMac which means next tuesday almost for sure the iMacs are in for updates or else the the eMac will become apples number 2 desktop which is just not feasable. So iMacs will be updated probably next tuesday.
Or they could follow the trend and update the iBooks, update the bottom line macs first. And after the iBook, at the begining of may I predict new powerbooks but DEFINATLEY NOT G5 thats ludacris have you seen the size of that processor!!!! It just wont fit. Then after the PB upgrade at around august I predict new g5 powermacs.

soo hey look up its logic!
BUT YOU CAN BE SURE OF 1 THING NOW NO G5 POWERBOOKS!

 

[Fukui]

Yes, with new video cards now reaching to 256MB on the Windows side, 32 is rather lame. It would be great to be able to get a BTO for at least a 64MB card

It would be nice, but more VRAM only helps really in higher resolutions.
The eMac has Max of 1280x960, if you put 64, it might help, but any higher would probably be wasted money...

 

[jettredmont]

You are soo annoying. I don't want to trade in my comp, i dont want my money back.

i am expressing my opinion about the way apple does business, and of course i hav eno insider information, so who knows what the hold up is, could be nothing.

BUT, what we do know is the PB's are outdated (as evidenced by todays emac release) and yet the PB's are still full price.

When you acknowledge something like this emac 1.25 does, you have to relase incentive to buy the older, outdated product. And yet, they don't, even though there are mroe people wasting money on PB's than on any other comp.

Which, of course, is precisely the point. If people are buying the current PBs, then Apple has no reason to lower their prices. If people *aren't* buying PBs, then there's really no "injured party" here, is there?

It's called Capitalism. Get used to it. It's not going anywhere.

This is evidence of a company that cares not about their customer.

No, this is evidence of a company that cares about their customer inasmuch as that allows them to make profits now and in the future. It's standard business practice at every for-profit company in the world for a reason: it works. Apple is not a charity. It is not a non-profit organization. It would be irresponsible of Apple to lower prices on a hot-selling product line, something several million shareholders would likely agree on.

Now, as for delays in getting new products out the door, that you can be pissed about. It would have been nice if the PBs were out several months ago. It's been a really long time since their last updates. However, not knowing the real story there, I certainly am not in the position to pass judgement. As a shareholder, I'm dissapointed in the lost sales opportunities. As a customer, though, I am intelligent enough to read the signs which point to a product update coming soon, and can hold off any purchases I personally might make until then.

 

[MacPearl]

well, how are you going to coordinate the data between the two machines?
what if you need certain data on the road but it's on the eMac? if you wanted to bunk the portability argument, just getting an iBook suffices. if you need the power of PB on the go, then PB is the only choice. iBook+eMac does not equate to portable PB because iBook is not a PB.

it's all about priority... for the price of a porche, you can get an economy sedan and a pickup truck, both with the same horsepower...

Exactly as what I was going to quote.

I am another person who decided to go with Porche, instead of a pick-up truck and economy sedan bundle.

 

[El Duderino]

The eMac has Max of 1280x960, if you put 64, it might help, but any higher would probably be wasted money...

anything much higher and you wont be able to see whats on the screen without a magnifying glass, i have an 18" at 1280x1024 and that was a huge differance from what i was used to on my 15". i dont know about you but i like to read without squinting

 

[ZildjianKX]

well, how are you going to coordinate the data between the two machines?
what if you need certain data on the road but it's on the eMac? if you wanted to bunk the portability argument, just getting an iBook suffices. if you need the power of PB on the go, then PB is the only choice. iBook+eMac does not equate to portable PB because iBook is not a PB.

it's all about priority... for the price of a porche, you can get an economy sedan and a pickup truck, both with the same horsepower...

Let's be honest, powerbooks are not that powerful, and if you're doing anything serious, you're not going to be doing it on a powerbook. Even my serious machead friends wouldn't buy a powerbook for portable power. They're nice to look at, but they are hardly a good value for how powerful they are. iBooks are currently "selling like hotcakes compared to powerbooks," according to a mac genius I spoke to last week... and I'm pretty sure there is a good reason for that.

 

[thejazzman10]

see what happens when you dont visit macrumors for a week??

 

[LaMerVipere]

WHOA! I can get the new top of the line eMac for $899 with my edu. discount! 1.25GHz G4 & the fastest Superdrive available on any mac! That's a STEAL of a deal!

OR bump it up to 512ram & 160GB HD w/tilt & swivel stand for a solid $1,100

 

[jxyama]

Let's be honest, powerbooks are not that powerful, and if you're doing anything serious, you're not going to be doing it on a powerbook. Even my serious machead friends wouldn't buy a powerbook for portable power. They're nice to look at, but they are hardly a good value for how powerful they are. iBooks are currently "selling like hotcakes compared to powerbooks," according to a mac genius I spoke to last week... and I'm pretty sure there is a good reason for that.

but, see, PB being underpowered has nothing to do with eMac update. but here we are, some posters complaining all over that improved eMac somehow makes PB less powerful. no, PB is as powerful as it was yesterday. and guess what? except for a G5 PB, which i doubt will happen this year, any PB update will not make PB that much more powerful. if you think PB is underpowered now, then it will still be underpowered after an update, just less so.

iBooks are a great value, no question. so if you wanted to bunk portability, again, just get an iBook. i still don't see how eMac is relevant.

if you think PB is not a good deal, then don't buy it. simple as that. apple is selling you a product for what it is - they are not making any promises about its relative performance scale.

and let's not forget how important the "nice to look at" factor is. people were dying for 15" Al PB from jan. to sept. last year. and spec wise, the 15" Al PB was not that much better than 15" Ti PB. (nothing extraordinary, very much in line with natural technological advances...) people saw 12" and 17" Al PBs... and desparately wanted the same form factor 15".

 

[aswitcher]

but, see, PB being underpowered has nothing to do with eMac update.

I think the eMac update is a very good sign that as the lowest rung on the Apple computing ladder, we can expect to see very good things when the rest of the line gets updated.

&/Or, Apple badly needed that low end Mac to come down in price as discussed at the last quaterly financial meeting, so just hours before the next one the release what they needed...

 

[jxyama]

I think the eMac update is a very good sign that as the lowest rung on the Apple computing ladder, we can expect to see very good things when the rest of the line gets updated.

i guess the point i'm trying to make is, all hardware needs an update. some more so than others, but all of apple's product line can benefit from an update. (duh!)

just because an eMac updated happened before PB (as an example) doesn't mean apple is holding back PB update. i'm pretty darn sure apple is doing all it can speed up PB update.

however, eMac and PB are completely different beasts. just by nature of desktop vs. laptop, it's much more difficult to update a PB than an eMac...

 

[leftbanke7]

It good to see some life in Apple, regardless of whether it is high end or low end. Progress is progress and we should take it as that.

I never really wanted an eMac but as it was pointed out earlier that the cost is almost too good to pass up. I think I might just get me one when I order my iBook sometime this summer.

 

[El Duderino]

but, see, PB being underpowered has nothing to do with eMac update. but here we are, some posters complaining all over that improved eMac somehow makes PB less powerful.

its not that we think its less powerful its just that our expectations are higher now

its like bringing home straight A's on your report card and then haveing ur parents say good job, now take an AP class and get higher than a 4.0

no matter how fast or powerful things get there will still be parents like us to bitch and moan and hope for something better...there just so much potential

 

[j_maddison]

So you want a eMac with a 2.0GHz G5, 1Ghz Bus, and color case for $999? Yeah, that be great but why would they ever do that?

1) They would loose money...
2) It would destroy the PowerMac line....
3) I don't think apple has grand plans of capturing the market. They see themselves as the exotic sports car of computer's not the economy car. Producing the cheapest "widget" and making money on quantity is not Apple's business model.

I thought the first respone to my post was inteligent, although i disagreed with it.

Dont worry i'm not going ot patronise you or anything and say your post isnt intelligent, rather it makes me want to respond.

Firstly, they woudlnt lose money. All indications are that a G5 processor is cheaper than a G4, secondly consumers outnumber prosummers by big big margins. Thirdly, any one who tells you a company doesnt want to increase market share is talking rubish. Even ina niceche market, companies want to sell more units. But then again, I didnt say to put a 2Gzh G5 into the eMac. but i understand your responce
Secondly, Prosumers see the powermacs as teh holy grail, and dont want anything to knock it off its shiny pillar. Well my response would be, shut up and stop being so silly (tongue poking out of cheek!). A Powermac is a bit more than a fast processor, and you know that. There are many advantages that a powermac has over other product lines. The gulf between the products doesnt need to be as big as powermac users want it to be.
Finally, Apple need to re-evaluate their strategy. its flawed, its too internally focused. There is a reluctance to paradigm shift within the organisation, and i feel that this is holding back their progress in penetrating new markets. The whole digital hub strategy is excellent, its just being held back by a lack of follow through and poor marketing on apples part.

jay

 

[jxyama]

You people are a bunch of whiners, good god get a life already! Apple is obviously starting their new system upgrades and they are starting out with the eMac because of schools being ready to buy now, it makes better financial sense for the company and WE DO want Apple to make a profit and stay you idiots.

no need to start calling names to make your point. in fact, calling people names makes you look worse.

and what's with "get a life already!" comment? you are here posting too.

understand that you have your own ideas. that's your idea and others may not subscribe to it. so just because you might see your own viewpoint "clearly" doesn't mean others should. that's why we have discussions here - not someone to just come in and claim as if their view is the perfect and truthful one.