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To have a proper answer please do:

1. Get a degree in the field of science, math and engineering
2. Become an expert in what you do
3. Apply for work at apple
4. Become a leading technical expert at apple
5. be part of the creative team that decides what is good and what is not for ios and apple hardware

Then you'll have the answer to the question that you posed above.

Let me fix that for you...
5. be part of the marketing team that decides how to extract as much money as possible from the infatuated masses.
 
Money grab for apple..plain and simple. They want you to "upgrade"

This lack of support on the iphone 4 really sucks eggs!

Total and complete Bulls**t.

I'd really like to see hardware justification as to why not. Please, someone prove to us the reasons.

:mad::mad::mad::mad::mad:
 
Apple is taking notes from M$ with windows :p

Coming to the iPhone 3GS.....iOS 6 Lite

Coming to the iPhone 4.....iOS 6 Basic Edition

Coming to the iPhone 4S.....iOS 6

Coming to the iPhone 5.....iOS 6 Premium Edition


-Kevin
 
i guess. but its faster than the 3GS

Doesn't matter if it's faster if it doesn't have enough RAM. Know anyone with issues of apps quitting or failing to launch in iOS 5 with their iPad? It's due to it being at the brink of "death" in terms of memory. I'd imagine iOS 6 uses at least a little bit more which is probably too much.

Just basing it on what I've seen with the iPad 1. Maybe they just left it out because they wanted to, I guess we'll be able to tell when iOS 6 ships.
 
Doesn't matter if it's faster if it doesn't have enough RAM. Know anyone with issues of apps quitting or failing to launch in iOS 5 with their iPad? It's due to it being at the brink of "death" in terms of memory. I'd imagine iOS 6 uses at least a little bit more which is probably too much.

Just basing it on what I've seen with the iPad 1. Maybe they just left it out because they wanted to, I guess we'll be able to tell when iOS 6 ships.

i've never had much of a problem with my iPad 1 (granted i don't use it that much since i've got the new iPad)
 
For this one I actually thought there might be a technical reason. I would imagine the A5 could handle tighter compression at the same bandwidth than the A4, considering it has that additional CPU core and far more powerful GPU and all. We've seen examples of this numerous times in the past. When iChat was first introduced, you could only host the multiple user chats if you had a certain level of PowerPC (G5 and above if memory serves).

That might not be the case here, but it's at least a plausible explanation that I'm sure someone will experiment with once iOS 6 ships. Perhaps AT&T said "hell no, 400Kb/sec is too much" but using the A5 Apple was able to get it down to 300Kb/sec for the same quality... Who knows.
Actually though, Steve mentioned that at the original launch of iPhone 4 and FaceTime that FaceTime over 3G would be coming - so they must have planned to have it working on an iPhone 4.

The reason it wasn't included from the get-go was down to fears by the carriers that the mobile cellular networks wouldn't be able to handle it, and at the time they were all moving from an unlimited data model (which would have really screwed them over for FaceTime over 3G) to tiered data plans. And remember AT&T would have had a big say in it as they were still the exclusive supplier in the US at the time.

So they had to wait for 1) phone networks to get better and 2) all plans to be throttled or pay as you go data

Nothing to do with hardware capability.
 
Let me fix that for you...
5. be part of the marketing team that decides how to extract as much money as possible from the infatuated masses.

Let me add something too.

6. Apple owe you nothing. You know what you bought at the time.
7. You probably will live without those feature anyway. Is not the end of the world.
8. Android used not to have any OS update.
 
Doesn't matter if it's faster if it doesn't have enough RAM. Know anyone with issues of apps quitting or failing to launch in iOS 5 with their iPad? It's due to it being at the brink of "death" in terms of memory. I'd imagine iOS 6 uses at least a little bit more which is probably too much.

Just basing it on what I've seen with the iPad 1. Maybe they just left it out because they wanted to, I guess we'll be able to tell when iOS 6 ships.

The iPod touch 4 is going to get iOS 6 (or some of it anyway), and it's a slower A4 (800MHz) and the same 256 MB of RAM.
 
The iPod touch 4 is going to get iOS 6 (or some of it anyway), and it's a slower A4 (800MHz) and the same 256 MB of RAM.

That's true, but the iPad has higher requirements to run. Tablet apps use more RAM than handheld iOS apps and this adds up. And the slightly higher resolution screen doesn't help either.
 
That's true, but the iPad has higher requirements to run. Tablet apps use more RAM than handheld iOS apps and this adds up. And the slightly higher resolution screen doesn't help either.

Ehh, it's a negligible increase in screen size. iOS is pretty good at memory management. I think, rather than any technological limits, it's more that they've just not been selling the original iPad for over a year now and I'm sure they're starting to run out of service replacements (in 2013, the last of the 2 year warranties will be expiring). I don't know about you, but I'd rather not support a device I'm no longer manufacturing with a new OS. I get a headache just thinking about all the things that can go wrong if they did push iOS 6 onto it. Some of them go wonky, and of course they can't downgrade because Apple hates downgrading, then customers start wanting them replaced, and suddenly they don't have enough left in stock to replace them. A greater evil than leaving them behind in iOS 5.
 
Ehh, it's a negligible increase in screen size. iOS is pretty good at memory management. I think, rather than any technological limits, it's more that they've just not been selling the original iPad for over a year now and I'm sure they're starting to run out of service replacements (in 2013, the last of the 2 year warranties will be expiring). I don't know about you, but I'd rather not support a device I'm no longer manufacturing with a new OS. I get a headache just thinking about all the things that can go wrong if they did push iOS 6 onto it. Some of them go wonky, and of course they can't downgrade because Apple hates downgrading, then customers start wanting them replaced, and suddenly they don't have enough left in stock to replace them. A greater evil than leaving them behind in iOS 5.

Screen size (resolution) might be negligible. The difference in apps between iPad apps and iPhone apps is not.

It might be that Apple just doesn't want to support the iPad 1 but the fact remains that it is the most RAM starved device that runs iOS 5- only 256 mb of RAM but the burden of more memory hungry applications. You could run Instruments or top (if jailbroken) on both devices and see that individual apps have a higher memory footprint.
 
:/

this year sucks.
my macbook
my iPhone
my iPad
they are all being left behind.
RANT. RANT.RANT.
Guess its time to get a job at apple again.
 
Because the android version of this chart would have over 2000 devices?

arn

Know what the irony is? If Apple released more versions of the iPhone rather than just annually, the fragmentation issue would increase. It will keep increasing as it goes just by the nature of the beast.

The only reason it seems that apple is less fragmented as such, is that they release one device per year vs the other OS handset developers.

One interesting difference, is that once an Android device becomes "unsupported" by the OS developers, there are other developers in the community working to ensure that these devices still have longevity if you are brave enough to venture there :)
 
"Android is fragmented. But iOS isn't." Where's the sandbox so I can put my head in there with all the other people claiming this ?

Lol

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No, no no. What don't you understand about software support lifecycles ? Piling code on and on results in tremendous bit rot which causes support, Q&A and development costs and efforts to shoot up. By the time you're done fixing all your regressions, you've implemented 1 new feature without breaking 30 years of legacy cruft in the time in would have taken you to implement 10 new features if you had done away with the legacy stuff.

It's ok to leave behind older, unsupported and EOL'ed hardware. Learn to deal with it, that's a reality of the industry. Your device keeps on working with the older versions of software.
Agreed. I think sometimes you have to fragment because of evolution. But I think Apple did screw over 4 owners with Siri
 
Agreed. I think sometimes you have to fragment because of evolution. But I think Apple did screw over 4 owners with Siri

Ah, I'm a 4 owner, it's not that important (will be neat when I get my 5 but I bet anything within a week I stop using it). The only thing I'm jealous of is the dictate button on the keyboard.

That being said, I think Apple has a right to say you want the new software features, you gotta buy the new hardware. I don't see how they are obligated to make the old hardware do it just cause it is capable. It's still a feature they are implementing and I think they have every right to say if you want this new feature, you gotta buy the new phone. They put money into getting that feature, they have a right to use it to market their new products. Of course if they are smart they will balance that and not get too greedy about it cause if people notice their computers they buy from Apple seem to not stay relevant (or at least decently relevant) for long they might decide to spend money elsewhere where their money will last longer (especially with how pricey apple is). And that's the counter balance that I think will keep Apple in check and why they would be smart not to over abuse insisting on people buying the new stuff to get any new features (I mean they still gave 4 owners a lot of functionality of iOS 5). Basically they have every right to do it and I won't begrudge them that, but they would be smart not to over abuse that tactic (basically do very little support for older products, specially if they aren't that old yet) cause in the long run it will turn people off from buying their product if it doesn't last long for them.
 
So what exactly is the point of iOS6 on the iPhone 4? It really doesn't add anything, and it will probably slow the device to a crawl. I was looking forward to updating my 4 but now that I see how many of the new and important features it's missing out on...well lets just say I'm very happy to have a top of the line device as my main phone now.
 
Well at least you're getting mostly two years of support. And if you dew new every tew then you're golden! I think Apple is going for majority of the market.

Unlike my Samsung Vibrant (still love the screen) that only got 2.2.:( Of course I just rooteded and got a rom from XDA. :p But still felt Abandoned by Samsung and went with something that was fully supported (well mostly).

Apple is a company that has to keep shareholders happy and money flowing in. I can deal with 'some' fragmentation and don't see what the big deal is with 4 owners and below. Apple can't keep you forever and you can always jailbreak.

At least they supported you for two years. Many phones barely go past 1.
 
Know what the irony is? If Apple released more versions of the iPhone rather than just annually, the fragmentation issue would increase. It will keep increasing as it goes just by the nature of the beast.

The only reason it seems that apple is less fragmented as such, is that they release one device per year vs the other OS handset developers.

One interesting difference, is that once an Android device becomes "unsupported" by the OS developers, there are other developers in the community working to ensure that these devices still have longevity if you are brave enough to venture there :)

EVERYTHING THAT IS ELECTRONIC HAS FRAGMENTATION.

For example, the the PStwo can't use a hard drive like the PS2. The first 360s for example didn't have Harddrives or wifi built in(talking about the starter model). But I think the main problem is when you have too many products that in a way that is too many to support in a short period of time.
 
EVERYTHING THAT IS ELECTRONIC HAS FRAGMENTATION.

For example, the the PStwo can't use a hard drive like the PS2. The first 360s for example didn't have Harddrives or wifi built in(talking about the starter model). But I think the main problem is when you have too many products that in a way that is too many to support in a short period of time.

Not sure why you are yelling at me, I agree with you.
 
Not sure why you are yelling at me, I agree with you.

No, I wasn't yelling, I was just trying to have large enough text for people that think magically (in general) a product you buy is supposed to be supported forever. Two years is plenty of time for iPhone 4 users.
 
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Now that they have changed the adapter, and the fact that it still wont play Flash, why wouldn't I go to an Android device? I have I had iPhones since the 3gs, and now my iPhone 4 will be obsoleted by this upgrade?

Sheez, Apple you are really starting to make me wonder why I am spending all of this money for a phone that can't be upgraded with more memory, has no removable battery and I can't use the newest features? What a slap in the face! I have to buy a new iPhone, still won't play Flash, requires me to buy a new holder for it for my truck (another $89) and if I have to do that, why not the more adaptable and expandable Android?

If I can find a decent billing app like Billings for the Android, I think this is my last iPhone.
 
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