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New Features in iOS 6 Receive Spotty Support from Older Devices
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I find it absolutely ridiculous how limited iOS 6 is. There is no reason we can't all have turn by turn navigation. If an app like Tom Tom can accomplish it with Apple's A4 chip then so should Apple. Usually it makes sense when apple limits something, but this time it doesn't. They are only doing it because they realize what a limited release this is. If you go to Wikipedia, the list of new features in iOS 5 was a thousand times longer than iOS 6's...and suppsively iOS 5 only had 50 more new features...ya right.
What is even more ridiculous is that they are dropping the original iPad all together. It should at lease get an update like th much older 3GS!!!! It can at least support the new notification center features and Facebook integration and clock and PassBook. Even though I just recently passed my iPad 1 on to my father and got the 3rd gen, I feel bad for all the people who spent as much as $829 a year and a half ago (Christmas 2010) and now their device is "no longer supported."
THIS IS HORSE ****!!!!!
What is even more ridiculous is that they are dropping the original iPad all together. It should at lease get an update like th much older 3GS!!!! It can at least support the new notification center features and Facebook integration and clock and PassBook. Even though I just recently passed my iPad 1 on to my father and got the 3rd gen, I feel bad for all the people who spent as much as $829 a year and a half ago (Christmas 2010) and now their device is "no longer supported."
THIS IS HORSE ****!!!!!
Looks like I'll be sticking with iOS 5.0.0 on my 3GS.
It works perfectly; TomTom gives me turn-by-turn navigation, I'm not lazy enough to use Siri, I don't want to video chat with people (thats why I bought a PHONE, to TALK with people), Facebook already does photostreams, I already have "VIP list" (A technique known as "only giving out your e-mail to people you want e-mail from"), offline reading list is a useless "feature" with cellular data on tap and I'm not deaf so I don't need a hearing aid.
So, what benefit does iOS 6 have for 3GS users over iOS 5?
It works perfectly; TomTom gives me turn-by-turn navigation, I'm not lazy enough to use Siri, I don't want to video chat with people (thats why I bought a PHONE, to TALK with people), Facebook already does photostreams, I already have "VIP list" (A technique known as "only giving out your e-mail to people you want e-mail from"), offline reading list is a useless "feature" with cellular data on tap and I'm not deaf so I don't need a hearing aid.
So, what benefit does iOS 6 have for 3GS users over iOS 5?
I must be missing something! Is Apple the ONLY company that don't/won't support older products after a while?
I know I should not throw RIM name into this but I know for a fact older blackberry often got lost when the newest and the shiniest came out. Even bbm were not supported on older models.
While people might be disappointed they've got to realise this is a business and just because they have TRILLIONS as some like to say it don't mean they need to stop operating like a business.
I know I should not throw RIM name into this but I know for a fact older blackberry often got lost when the newest and the shiniest came out. Even bbm were not supported on older models.
While people might be disappointed they've got to realise this is a business and just because they have TRILLIONS as some like to say it don't mean they need to stop operating like a business.
To me this seems like Apple has completely given up on FaceTime, it seems strange that they would even release it at all for the iPhone 4 if they're gonna drop support before they release a version that works properly.
Why all the whining? I did not purchase my iPhone 4 with the intent on being able to use Siri, turn-by-turn navigation, FaceTime over 3G, etc. Those things would be a bonus, but I certainly did not expect them.
One point I haven't seen in this forum is that Apple offers updates for FREE. If they charged for them, you would probably get turn-by-turn navigation and FaceTime over 3G.
Thus, you buy new hardware, which supports new software (and hardware) development. They are in business to make money. If you think otherwise, you are sadly mistaken.
One point I haven't seen in this forum is that Apple offers updates for FREE. If they charged for them, you would probably get turn-by-turn navigation and FaceTime over 3G.
Thus, you buy new hardware, which supports new software (and hardware) development. They are in business to make money. If you think otherwise, you are sadly mistaken.
The majority of you geniuses have no idea what OS fragmentation is. Not allowing new features on older hardware is NOT fragmentation. Planned obsolescence, yes, fragmentation, no.
I agree with this. One of the main selling points for an iDevice has been the willingness of Apple to release updates in a timely fashion across the board to all devices. It's sad to hear at the iPhone 4 is being left in the dust already. However, if you go into the Android camp, obsolescence occurs within weeks, not a couple years.
And the operating system "fragmentation", as one poster noted, comes from every carrier tweaking the basic Google OS for it's own purposes - often delaying the release of an update for six months or more.
In the case of Android Ice Cream Sandwich (ICS) - the next iteration of Android OS - it's been in development for more than a year already. And only a select few devices have it at this point. Meanwhile, devices that were on the list to receive it are being discontinued.
The losers are only the customers.
So because an OS that isn't available for at least 3 more months won't have certain features you want on a 2 yr old phone, you are going to grab an Galaxy3? That makes no sense.
If you are going to buy a Galaxy3 due to being angry that certain features aren't available on the iPhone4, why not just buy a iPhone5 when it comes out. You know you would do that anyway. Or can you honestly say that is iOS6 ported every single feature to the iPhone4 you would keep the 4 instead of upgrading to the iPhone5?
I dont understand comments like yours, their just dumb.
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The iPhone4 isn't being left anymore in the dust then previous phones were when they were 2 yrs old and a new OS came out. Every year less and less stuff is supported on the old gen phone. Why does this surprise anyone.
The winners are the customers because they get to buy the new phones that push the boundaries, if Apple and other companies always provided obsolete equipment with all the features everyone would complain how poorly the phone worked and wouldn't upgrade to new hardware, so less money to develop better OS and hardware.
I am glad the iPhone4 isn't supporting everything the iPhone4s is and that neither phone will support everything the iPhone 5 will.
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It's free what do you expect?
It's also a good deal for companies. But really I would be willing to guess the 3GS is only 5-10% of iPhone 4S sales, with iPhone4 only being 25%ish of iPhone 4S sales.
you know that your post is showing some rather ignorate things about android. You have to jump threw a several extra hoops if you want allow only list and not use the API level.
More common thing is you list what hardware is required and let the market handle the rest. That hardware list is not hard get as chances all it it would require some type of permission set up in the manifest file and you just set it up in there. It is really easy to do.
I just bought an iPad 2 and I have to say that I'm not too fussed about the 3 features missing from iOS 6 on an iPad 2. I would never use an iPad as a satnav and I bought it knowing it didn't have Siri. I have an iPhone 4 but I can upgrade in December anyway, by then a new iPhone will be out that will support all and more features of iOS 6.
I have an iPhone 4 and I accepted that we did not get Siri under ios 5 as it was only a beta app and outside of USA functionality was pretty limited. I've downloaded evi which is a pretty good substitute for search and dictating messages and email. It would have been nice to get it under ios 6 but I didn't expect it.
For turn by turn navigation I have copilot which is better than both google and apple's offering as it doesn't need a data connection to work and is more accurate than google when it comes to uk postcodes.
FaceTime over cellular really is not important to me as any time I have used it there has not been a problem finding a wifi connection close by.
The only thing that annoys me is it appears that for the UK if I upgrade to ios 6 the maps app will be worse than what I already have. That is simply not acceptable.
My 4 is 2 years old and that is the longest I have ever had a phone/PDA. The more powerful phones become the less need there is to upgrade so the cycle becomes longer.
In many ways it worries me that Apple are holding back capable hardware for software updates for their phones as this is less prevelant with updates of OSX. (I have a 2.5 year old mac which will get the mountain lion goodies) To me this suggests that the iPhone 5 may not be a game changer and they need software selling points to get the millions of iPhone 4 users to upgrade when frankly we don't need to, unless the phone breaks.
My plan at the moment is to stick with ios 5 and jailbreak the phone to get the iOS 6 goodies from third parties. This will save me the cost of a new phone and maintain my £25.00 per month sim only 12 month contract which has already expired so I can choose when the time is right to upgrade and to choose whether it be an android or IOS phone.
In other words guys If your annoyed at apple just don't upgrade till you have to. That way they don't get your money, their profits will start to suffer and they'll have to look at their strategy and hopefully realise their mistake at pissing people off.
For turn by turn navigation I have copilot which is better than both google and apple's offering as it doesn't need a data connection to work and is more accurate than google when it comes to uk postcodes.
FaceTime over cellular really is not important to me as any time I have used it there has not been a problem finding a wifi connection close by.
The only thing that annoys me is it appears that for the UK if I upgrade to ios 6 the maps app will be worse than what I already have. That is simply not acceptable.
My 4 is 2 years old and that is the longest I have ever had a phone/PDA. The more powerful phones become the less need there is to upgrade so the cycle becomes longer.
In many ways it worries me that Apple are holding back capable hardware for software updates for their phones as this is less prevelant with updates of OSX. (I have a 2.5 year old mac which will get the mountain lion goodies) To me this suggests that the iPhone 5 may not be a game changer and they need software selling points to get the millions of iPhone 4 users to upgrade when frankly we don't need to, unless the phone breaks.
My plan at the moment is to stick with ios 5 and jailbreak the phone to get the iOS 6 goodies from third parties. This will save me the cost of a new phone and maintain my £25.00 per month sim only 12 month contract which has already expired so I can choose when the time is right to upgrade and to choose whether it be an android or IOS phone.
In other words guys If your annoyed at apple just don't upgrade till you have to. That way they don't get your money, their profits will start to suffer and they'll have to look at their strategy and hopefully realise their mistake at pissing people off.
3-4 ? Try 2 :
http://developer.android.com/resources/dashboard/platform-versions.html
API level 8 contains both 2.3.3+ and 2.2 which cover 85% combined of Android users.
No need to support different versions, just target a damn API level. It's there in the documentation! Why won't people bother to read it before complaining ?
3-4 ? Try 2 :
http://developer.android.com/resources/dashboard/platform-versions.html
API level 8 contains both 2.3.3+ and 2.2 which cover 85% combined of Android users.
No need to support different versions, just target a damn API level. It's there in the documentation! Why won't people bother to read it before complaining ?
Cause people hate when facts get in the way of their arguments
Hardware lasts forever, so they wean you off with software
fair enough too. I'm still using the 3Gs. Happily too (prefer the design to series 4). But as the gaps in the feature lists increases, I'm starting to think about upgrading.
it's a fairly gentle way of weaning me off
fair enough too. I'm still using the 3Gs. Happily too (prefer the design to series 4). But as the gaps in the feature lists increases, I'm starting to think about upgrading.
it's a fairly gentle way of weaning me off
In October all of us who own iPhone4S's will find out what new features only the iPhone5 will have.
Not from my experience with HP. They stopped supporting a 12 year old server hardware wise. They are still maintaining the OS however it is super limited support. So a blanket statement of HP is amazing at it. Yet they are still willing to charge a small fortune for the licenses and so called maintenance for these servers. Glad to see you have had better luck. But not in my book and experience.
You know, here's my take.
Before I got the iphone I never got any added functionality to my phone. It just ran whatever it came with and when I wanted new functions I had to buy a new phone. Now every year until they stop supporting it entirely I get some new functionality. Maybe not the full functionality of the new shiny phone but hey, corporations have the right to say you want the newest shiny you have to pay for it. That's how they make their money. Sure, it's software, it seems like it should be easy to put on your phone and it's not tangible so it's harder to envision that they lose anything by giving it to you. But they spent time and money developing that software, do they not have a right to try to use it to make money? After all they wouldn't be putting that effort in if they didn't think it was profitable and they profit by selling the hardware that software comes on. They're not a charity.
As for the argument that my iphone is a smartphone and more of a computer than my previous phones, well, do you expect to get the newest version of Windows or Mac OS for free? Well you do get the newest iOS for free until Apple decides to stop supporting your device. So they are being generous imho.
Before I got the iphone I never got any added functionality to my phone. It just ran whatever it came with and when I wanted new functions I had to buy a new phone. Now every year until they stop supporting it entirely I get some new functionality. Maybe not the full functionality of the new shiny phone but hey, corporations have the right to say you want the newest shiny you have to pay for it. That's how they make their money. Sure, it's software, it seems like it should be easy to put on your phone and it's not tangible so it's harder to envision that they lose anything by giving it to you. But they spent time and money developing that software, do they not have a right to try to use it to make money? After all they wouldn't be putting that effort in if they didn't think it was profitable and they profit by selling the hardware that software comes on. They're not a charity.
As for the argument that my iphone is a smartphone and more of a computer than my previous phones, well, do you expect to get the newest version of Windows or Mac OS for free? Well you do get the newest iOS for free until Apple decides to stop supporting your device. So they are being generous imho.
REAL poor form....
So every body from Apple is on the rah..rah stage all this week about all this hot new stuff and is leaving many of it's reasonably new customers sitting in the middle of I-5 feeling like we were just hit by an 18 wheeler...... In the face....
This little table of what and won't be supported with the 'new' features in IOS6 looks like something that came straight out of Redmond, not Cupertino... Last I checked (about 45 seconds ago) my iPad 2 HAS a dual-core A5 processor and a REAL FAST 802.11, 5gHz wireless connection that would run Siri just fine... Kinda like that iPhone 4S !!!!!
What are Cook's folks thinking?
So every body from Apple is on the rah..rah stage all this week about all this hot new stuff and is leaving many of it's reasonably new customers sitting in the middle of I-5 feeling like we were just hit by an 18 wheeler...... In the face....
This little table of what and won't be supported with the 'new' features in IOS6 looks like something that came straight out of Redmond, not Cupertino... Last I checked (about 45 seconds ago) my iPad 2 HAS a dual-core A5 processor and a REAL FAST 802.11, 5gHz wireless connection that would run Siri just fine... Kinda like that iPhone 4S !!!!!
What are Cook's folks thinking?
I've got the iOS 6 beta 1 running now on my 3GS and the turn by turn navigation does work however there is no voice telling you the next direction. I am hopeful that this will be corrected in the next update. If you press the arrow "compass" button the map orientates to the direction you are facing.
Overall it doesn't seem to run any slower than iOS 5 and there are a small number of features like "do not disturb" which is really useful. Passbook currently doesn't work and just loads an unresponsive splash screen.
I'm just glad they're still supporting the 3GS however it's pretty shameful that the iPad 1 isn't.
Overall it doesn't seem to run any slower than iOS 5 and there are a small number of features like "do not disturb" which is really useful. Passbook currently doesn't work and just loads an unresponsive splash screen.
I'm just glad they're still supporting the 3GS however it's pretty shameful that the iPad 1 isn't.
I'm pretty sure Apple is going to get a class action lawsuit over this because of the first generation iPad. I really don't blame people either, because they do have an argument.
It's not fair that when the iPad came out, it shipped at the last stages of iOS 3 and wasn't optimized for the next OS that would success it - iOS 4. And while loads of people bought it at launch, most would have bought it in the after back-to-school and/or holiday season. At that point, it would have had iOS 4.
The iPhone on the other hand shipped two months later and came with TWICE the memory with the same chip. So I'm sure by then, they KNEW that iOS 4 needed to have that kind of memory and every iOS device made after would have to be made with 512MB of RAM at minimum.
It does not make sense that a 4th generation iPod Touch and iPhone 3GS with similar specifications as the original iPad (RAM and processor-wise) are both getting these iOS 6 minimal updates.
If Apple really wanted people to replace their computers with iPads, they should treat their upgrade process like it is one. Especially when consumers are paying up to $700 for them. If the only thing stopping them from sticking iOS 6 successfully on the iPad is RAM, then they should offer in-store RAM upgrades for whatever it costs + premium.
And this is why I'm pretty afraid of even buying an iPad. Because they announce the new models half a year into an iOS that is obsolete in three months time. It's like releasing a PowerPC with Tiger and it only going up to Leopard.
I really don't blame people either, because they do have an argument.It's not fair that when the iPad came out, it shipped at the last stages of iOS 3 and wasn't optimized for the next OS that would success it - iOS 4. And while loads of people bought it at launch, most would have bought it in the after back-to-school and/or holiday season. At that point, it would have had iOS 4.
The iPhone on the other hand shipped two months later and came with TWICE the memory with the same chip. So I'm sure by then, they KNEW that iOS 4 needed to have that kind of memory and every iOS device made after would have to be made with 512MB of RAM at minimum.
It does not make sense that a 4th generation iPod Touch and iPhone 3GS with similar specifications as the original iPad (RAM and processor-wise) are both getting these iOS 6 minimal updates.
If Apple really wanted people to replace their computers with iPads, they should treat their upgrade process like it is one. Especially when consumers are paying up to $700 for them. If the only thing stopping them from sticking iOS 6 successfully on the iPad is RAM, then they should offer in-store RAM upgrades for whatever it costs + premium.
And this is why I'm pretty afraid of even buying an iPad. Because they announce the new models half a year into an iOS that is obsolete in three months time. It's like releasing a PowerPC with Tiger and it only going up to Leopard.
I'm pretty sure Apple is going to get a class action lawsuit over this because of the first generation iPad.
There are no grounds to sue Apple. They have never promised any updates for the iiPad 1. They do not 'owe' you, me, or anyone else software updates or new features on any peice of equipment they sell.
The turn by turn requires the A5's dual processor and additional graphics power to provide the experience Apple wanted, including not killing your phone in an hour if you forget to it plugged in. My At&t turn by turn will do just that.
Unfortunately the device was almost a year old when you bought it. It was first revealed in March of that year. To stay ahead of the game they really had to continue on. There are just so much hardware missing from this one that it it would be feature poor to continue to support it.