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Guys, thanks for a little reality check on this thread. Need to cut tapeless now? Look at Premiere Pro CS5. You'll be celebrating "Miller Time" while others are still transcoding to ProRes.

BTW, HandsomePete. They use Avid, FCP and CS5 at Pixar. FCP isn't used for cutting the movies, Avid is. FCP is just for the pre-viz stuff. I know, I worked on "Nemo" and "WALL•E" as an After Effects pre-viz artist.

Given that they had more than a dozen Shake licenses at the time, why would they use After Effects?
 
How about AVCHD for panasonic??? :)

I don't know what you're talking about. Premiere Pro CS5 can export any format you'll ever need. It's multicore aware too, so it's gets the job done very quickly. If you need ProRes, you'll need to have FCS installed on the same machine, if that's what you mean.

If you can be specific about your complaint (which codec you find is not supported), then send me a note. I can pass it along to my co-workers here at Adobe.

Thanks,
Kevin
 
Given that they had more than a dozen Shake licenses at the time, why would they use After Effects?
We used After Effects for pre-viz. For WALL•E, layered Photoshop files were delivered and we animated them in After Effects. Why? I think it's because After Effects is an animation program and Shake is primarily for compositing. After Effects is the right tool for the job. Doing the same job in Shake would have been maddening.

I'm just telling you how I worked in my particular department. I never saw anyone using Shake.
 
I'll believe it when I see it. They've been saying it for a long time now.

Then they need to get around to fixing Open GL performance in MacOS. 3d world just dinged them again (and rightly so) in a recent review of the MacPro line.
 
BTW, HandsomePete. They use Avid, FCP and CS5 at Pixar. FCP isn't used for cutting the movies, Avid is. FCP is just for the pre-viz stuff. I know, I worked on "Nemo" and "WALL•E" as an After Effects pre-viz artist.

Very cool. I figured they, like most big post houses nowadays, employed a variety of solutions for different stages.

I also recently read about the use of After Effects to conform "The Social Network." Pretty amazing stuff.
 
As a FCE user I'm interested to see what happens with the next release of FCS.
Something tells me this release will be more mainstream, dumbed down and include toys. For all I know FCE could be done away with, and the new FCS replace it.
 
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Final Cut Pro is in more need of an update than iWork. Looking forward to using the new FCP.

Me too. Sins when they didnt made an update?
 
The editors I know at the BBC who are forced to use the one or two seats of Premier in use there hate it. Most would rather use Avid or FCP.
Perhaps because they don't know Premiere Pro yet? Yeah, I know how that feels. Believe me, they will have better workflow once they learn the tool and stop griping.
 
So, I've read every post in this thead to this point. The level of nimroddery is "awesome"! So much hyperbolic negativity and so much of it ungrounded in facts. People really are afraid of what they don't know and erect walls to keep out anything that'll alter their worldview.

I've cut my teeth on FCP (starting at 4.5, so not ancient ancient) and use it daily. The access TV station I work at has shifted from miniDV to AVCHD for capturing meetings as well as for our members to use in program creation.

For program creation I'm still teaching them FCP (at this point). They transcode to ProRes and go. For meetings turnaround is key. If I have a 3 hour meeting I use up that time just in the ingest for a 10 minute edit (fades and titles) before export. Not OK. We invested in one seat of Premiere CS5 and are using it in a base level i7 Dell. I'm editing in moments and exporting out very quickly. I've got MPEGs of the program in about 60% real time. Fantastic!

My Boss is an Avid guy and I'm FCP. We each stumble through the other's interface. Premiere is somewhere in the middle. The interface is different enough that I actually have to read the manual at times (gasp!), but there are so many moment where we each exclaim at the pleasantness of a feature (the text tool is way better than native titlers in Avid or FCP; I like the export batch manager, adding chapter markers at intervals in Encore, AVCHD native editing, etc.).

I'm really looking forward to the new FCP. I hope it'll adopt the great features that Avid and Premiere have introduced and I'm open to UI changes (even drastic and ambitious ones) if they speed my ability to get from footage to quality finished product. If I have to buy a month of Lynda tutorials, I'm A-OK with that.
 
A lower price, individual available parts of Suite...

Apple dropped the price of Aperture from $199 to $79 in the App store. So it would be great with me if they dropped FCE, but made the suite available in parts, and made Final Cut Pro 8 available at $299, and the other parts like Color available at $50 each.

If they drop the price by half, but sell three times as many copies, they make a lot of people happy and add a lot of people to the Apple platform.
I seem to be the only person who is on this forum who loves iMovie11. It is easy to use for web-based video. I dare say that most video shot and seen today is of the YouTube variety...and the ease of use of iMovie serves the low-income, non-professional videographers well. At least this one. Make the new Final Cut Studio have some of iMovie's timeline scrubbing and drag and drop simplicity, and I will be glad to spend the money. But I fear I will be the only one pleased.

Hugh
 
put us out of our misery!!!

Please Apple, just tell us now that you don't care about pro users so we can go and buy Avid or Premiere!!!
 
Perhaps your career is way more impressive than mine, or maybe it isn't, but one thing is certain... Using FCS doesn't turn water into wine or straw into gold.

Thank you for such a reasonable response.:) Brilliant films were edited on what would be considered terrible 'systems' by todays standards. Of course effective tools do allow the creatives to focus on the final product not on the drawbacks of the tool themselves.
 
share point , wordpress ? I think you don't understand who iweb is targeting

Sharepoint may be a poor example, but wordpress is quite popular and simple to use. Yes it is used mostly for blogging but it looks great and hundreds of thousands (millions, maybe?) of people use it to publish regularly.

I've made websites in iweb as well, because it was easy and fast, but I haven't come across many great examples of iweb produced sites (not to say they aren't out there, I just haven't seen it).
 
I'm sorry for butting in, but how about iWeb '11 first, Apple, huh???!!!! Where the hell is it????!!!! :mad::mad::mad::mad::mad::mad:

Final Cut Pro fits into the Duke Nukem category, in some ways. I think it's more than deserving after 10 some-odd years.
 
iMovie 08 was the biggest piece of crap I've ever had to deal with. I'd sooner create a flip-motion animation frame-by-frame in powerpoint and export it as an animated gif before using that piece of garbage.

I took the plunge and invested in FCP last year, mainly so I could try out Motion. I've still found myself relying on After Effects, mostly out of familiarity.

I really want to believe that this update will be awesome and worth the money to upgrade. But I'm not optimistic.

same here. iMove6 HD was good - they killed it when they redesigned it and I switched to FCP ... hope they don't add the 'simplicity' of the 'new' Movie to FCP, not sure where I am going then ....
 
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Larry Jordan at the LAFCPUG meeting said he has seen the new Final Cut and that it is "Jaw Dropping".

Edit: To be clear, that is all he had to say about the matter.
 
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Larry Jordan at the LAFCPUG meeting said he has seen the new Final Cut and that it is "Jaw Dropping".

Now, that's good news. I'm optimistic
 
Thoughts from a avid FCE user

iLife is already sold as separate apps on the Mac App Store, maybe FCS could be the same (so could Logic Studio) and do so without needing activation or serial numbers (this is what rival Adobe's software can't do-theirs still use activation or serial numbers and off the Mac App Store) .

I prefer the express version to as I didn't need all of the features of the pro version.

I'd be happy to see a update to Final Cit Express-Apple has only released a 4.0.1 update in August of '08 and version 4 came out 4 years ago, while Final Cut Studio-the target of this rumor was update in the past 2 years.
 
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