Ditto and then some. Using PP on a home built Gulftown machine with a FX3800 Quadro, I was just editing some EOS7D footage. So nice to not have to recode just to work on it and wow, if I make an edit like say just move a clip from one track up to another an not shift it in time I don't have to waste half the morning re-rendering just so I can see the change. PP with the Mercury engine rocks and completely blows the doors off FCP speed wise for editing HD footage, and while you can make a very high end MacPro system get close, you can put together a Win/CS5 system for less than half the price. I can put up with a fair amount of PP idiosyncrasies for that exchange in dollars.
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New Final Cut Pro Described as 'Dramatic and Ambitious' - Due in Spring 2011
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Ditto and then some. Using PP on a home built Gulftown machine with a FX3800 Quadro, I was just editing some EOS7D footage. So nice to not have to recode just to work on it and wow, if I make an edit like say just move a clip from one track up to another an not shift it in time I don't have to waste half the morning re-rendering just so I can see the change. PP with the Mercury engine rocks and completely blows the doors off FCP speed wise for editing HD footage, and while you can make a very high end MacPro system get close, you can put together a Win/CS5 system for less than half the price. I can put up with a fair amount of PP idiosyncrasies for that exchange in dollars.
I'd welcome the ability to work with native DSLR footage in the new Final Cut, but only for small projects. H264 is still a terrible editing format no matter if your NLE can handle it or not. I would still transcode to an intermediate, especially if I was going to do a lot of post processing, effects, etc.
Wow, have you seriously tried to use that clusterf*ck called "Avid Media Composer", it sucks. Final Cut Pro makes it look like a ferrari, compared to the 1960's ford. PLEASE!
I just downloaded the latest version last week, and was like WTH. People seriously use this ****. I would stick with final cut pro. It sucks.
True, but a lot of what I do does not require it and for that that does, my second comment still holds true. Don't get me wrong, I use FCP and would like to continue using it but without HW acceleration, it is going to be a very simple decision, watch spinning beach balls or get work done. Me, I'd rather get work done.
1. iMovie 08 was crap.
2. About time! Why are people asking why Apple hasn't upgraded iWorks 2011 yet when FCP hasn't had a true update in many years?
3. A complete overhaul to the UI isn't really a selling point, or shouldn't be. Improvements are always welcome, but overhauls?People want to download it and figure out how to use the new features, not necessarily how to use every feature they currently use in FCP, plus the new features! It'll severely slow down productivity, as user experience and intuition developed from this experience won't help at all.
Sometimes, small changes are better, and even they take time for professionals to get a feel for.
Seriously? Don't improve the product, cause leaning frightens me?
How about this, if you're worried about your productivity, don't upgrade to the new Studio as your primary platform until your comfortable with it. That way people who are interested in the platform advancing, and don't mind a bit of R&D every day, can use the new tools to their full extent.
Don't hold the rest of us back...
This whole thread is hilarious. Since when did ambitious become a bad word?
You people are technological hypochondriacs!
Huh...
http://www.apple.com/finalcutstudio/in-action/
Premier has gotten way better but it's still a minor player in terms of marketshare in comparison to FCP and AVID.
Can't wait to see the specs and what the changes are all about. Maybe it will even cost a little bit less as a download from the App Store.
I certainly can understand the frustration on many posts. The one thing we have to remember, it has been a long time since an update to FCP. This means some of the major changes people have talked about like 64 bit, fixes to QT, etc. might be exactly what Apple has been working. A sweeping change which will greatly improve FCP would certainly take a lot of time. Time Apple has had if they used it for do these major changes is the question.
I wonder if Apple has other features in mind which we aren't even thinking of that could invigorate and perhaps even strengthen people's faith in Apple's PRO software. I hope at least!
I wonder if Apple has other features in mind which we aren't even thinking of that could invigorate and perhaps even strengthen people's faith in Apple's PRO software. I hope at least!
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STILL better than PP CS5. I'm amazed that CS5 has 64bit, no transcoding, AE integration, a better text tool and more. But gawd the interface is still 1995 and the day to day editing functions are laborious. Apple needs a back end power and somewhat interface overhaul, and Adobe needs an interface overhaul.
STILL better than PP CS5. I'm amazed that CS5 has 64bit, no transcoding, AE integration, a better text tool and more. But gawd the interface is still 1995 and the day to day editing functions are laborious. Apple needs a back end power and somewhat interface overhaul, and Adobe needs an interface overhaul.
I would like to mention that Apple isn't "late" with this release. Since studio 2, FCP has been on a roughly 2 year release cycle:
NAB 2005 Final Cut Studio 1
NAB 2007 Final Cut Studio 2 [24 months]
July 2009 Final Cut Studio 3 [28 month]
Another 28 months would put us at November 2011. So if we see it this spring we'll actually be ahead of the curve.
I understand where this is coming from. People were disappointed with studio 2. WHY they couldn't go 64 bit then is well documented, so let's not make out like they just didn't care.
Let's not forget that AVID isn't 64 bit yet either...
Steenbeck Days
Anyone remember this? It's the basis for the UI for all of our modern 'digital' editors. Perhaps an overhaul will be welcome. Though perhaps it will be like the Microsoft office 'ribbon' without a classic view that was a terrible upgrade.
Of course it will be 64 bit, able to address gobs of memory, and be multi-core aware, if not least of which to keep up with the competition which already have those features.
With all of these changes the first release of the studio will likely be very buggy. Stay away and wait until the kinks are ironed out. You've been fairly warned.
And it will run on Core2 machines. Pretty much anything that can run Snow Leopard ant QT properly. 4GB RAM will be the minimum. The above is just common sense. Most anything else is speculation.
Anyone remember this? It's the basis for the UI for all of our modern 'digital' editors. Perhaps an overhaul will be welcome. Though perhaps it will be like the Microsoft office 'ribbon' without a classic view that was a terrible upgrade.
Of course it will be 64 bit, able to address gobs of memory, and be multi-core aware, if not least of which to keep up with the competition which already have those features.
With all of these changes the first release of the studio will likely be very buggy. Stay away and wait until the kinks are ironed out. You've been fairly warned.
And it will run on Core2 machines. Pretty much anything that can run Snow Leopard ant QT properly. 4GB RAM will be the minimum. The above is just common sense. Most anything else is speculation.
That "idiot" decided to totally change iMovie in one of the dumbest UI moves ever. What happens when (if) he decides to do the same to FCP? Worried yet? LOL
"Ditto and then some. Using PP on a home built Gulftown machine with a FX3800 Quadro, I was just editing some EOS7D footage."
That's the problem with this arguments. People who play at being video makers/editors with home video format. I can tell you that Premiere "pro" has not cut even a minor DENT in any of the professional users anywhere in my city. Be it television, film, commercial. everyone still edits their broadcast or HD on their Final cut station with aja card. Nobody cares about using FCP to edit your uncle's photo camera videos. People overestimate the importance of that "market" because these "editors" spend their non productive days haunting the forums, posting about their imaginary careers.
That's the problem with this arguments. People who play at being video makers/editors with home video format. I can tell you that Premiere "pro" has not cut even a minor DENT in any of the professional users anywhere in my city. Be it television, film, commercial. everyone still edits their broadcast or HD on their Final cut station with aja card. Nobody cares about using FCP to edit your uncle's photo camera videos. People overestimate the importance of that "market" because these "editors" spend their non productive days haunting the forums, posting about their imaginary careers.
It's not a bad word, but if you put some thought into the actual definition, it's not as flattering as it was intended to be.
Apple is either done with providing a stand-alone QuickTime editor, leaving all editing to be done with iMovie and Final Cut Pro/Express, or they needed time to get rid of the legacy code and create an editor designed to take advantage of 64-bit, multi-core processors, and functionality provided by "Snow Leopard" (i.e. Grand Central Dispatch, OpenCL?). Let us not forget the time engineers have been spending on iOS, which could be the reason QuickTime is mostly a player with the most basic of editing capabilities.
I guess it depends on whether the new stuff is truly better. If it's truly new and better, and worth learning, then great. If it's just different for the sake of being able to say "ambitious new interface" or because someone had a pet project, that's a different story.
You wouldn't give professional drivers a new vehicle overnight and say "This new vehicle has an ambitious new control interface. No more steering wheel! Now you use the foot pedals to steer!" and expect them to be as productive as they had been the week before.
I'm sure Adobe has made a dent in your local market. Just because you haven't seen it doesn't mean it hasn't happened. You can't ignore the fact that Adobe has made some big moves with its production suite. Some of the big facilities/studios have taken notice.
I'm excited to see what Apple brings to the table with its next update, but to quickly gloss over Adobe and their emergence is just ignorant. Remember, Final Cut started out and is still considered by many to be a prosumer product.
Are you forgetting about Avid? They're still the dominant player in most parts.
Finally!
This brightened my day up nicely and along side the iPad 2 March 2nd announcement. I have been waiting a while for both.
This brightened my day up nicely and along side the iPad 2 March 2nd announcement. I have been waiting a while for both.
I used FCP at my old job, then went freelance and picked up CS5 Master Collection and really found using Premiere/AE an easy transition. Oh, they also run amazingly fast with enough ram and I honestly don't really miss FCP.
ok
So its about time.
For all those who are scared for this ambition UI overhaul.... I wouldnt worry (i dont think). Ubillos should know the drastic differences in usage familiarity and allegiance between the Pros that use final cut and the moms and pops that use iMovie. And while I do agree that iMovie had a rough start after its overhaul, I still think it was a necessary thing to do, and made editing for the masses much much easier, and much more efficient on your computer by not having to pre-render every single thing you do.
Final Cut also better take some insane advantages over all that snow leopard tech we heard so much about... OpenCL... Grand Central etc.
I work in Final Cut Studio almost every day and for me to say that this is at least a worthy upgrade...
If those features are present... i'll be happy. and I think many others will too.
So its about time.
For all those who are scared for this ambition UI overhaul.... I wouldnt worry (i dont think). Ubillos should know the drastic differences in usage familiarity and allegiance between the Pros that use final cut and the moms and pops that use iMovie. And while I do agree that iMovie had a rough start after its overhaul, I still think it was a necessary thing to do, and made editing for the masses much much easier, and much more efficient on your computer by not having to pre-render every single thing you do.
Final Cut also better take some insane advantages over all that snow leopard tech we heard so much about... OpenCL... Grand Central etc.
I work in Final Cut Studio almost every day and for me to say that this is at least a worthy upgrade...
- it better have multicore support
it better have much much better treatment of text/graphics built into the FCP itself
it better be able to handle RED.r3d files and DSLR H.264 footage natively and astonishingly efficiently.
it better have a better method of consolidation of your project once completed
it better not rely on the graphics card as much as Motion currently does... the interface glitches b/c of this are just unacceptable
it better have a version of Motion that motion graphics artists don't uttlerly laugh at
it better have some sort of incentive or noticeable way of running better for the people with machines 3x more expensive than others'. Convince me why i should buy that beastly mac pro tower Apple.
It better address BluRay - at least giving people the ability to author something in HD
it better be 64 bit and work off of a newly overhauled QT base. If it requires Lion to make this feature most advantageous, so be it... it just better be in there
and finally, if its gonna have a new interface, I'm all for it... so long as theres a toggle in the settings to go back to the old interface or switch to classic view where everything is as it was with the exception of having new button artwork for the laughably old looking UI buttons.
If those features are present... i'll be happy. and I think many others will too.
Another commenter above posted it before... but lets not be so pretentious as to think that you know about Adobe's influence in "your city" or what level of significance of DSLR filmmaking has taken in the recent months. What city is that, by the way?
With shows like House being shot on 5Ds, and shows like 24 using 5D's to do shoot plate sequences, I wouldn't be so quick to dismiss these little guys. I've been on several professional, big budget, influential shoots here in Los Angeles... my city... where the primary camera has been the RED or the Alexa or something like it... and they use the 5DmarkII or other cameras like it to shoot some shots in small spaces, or 2nd unit stuff, or plate shots. It gets incorporated into their incredibly professional workflow along side their much more robust camera cousins.. and therefore should be as easy to work with in the NLE.
Plus, (and this is more of a hoping than any real knowledge on my part) I hope Canon and Nikon start building more pro cameras with pro video features around the image processing of the DSLRs now... a move which would make FCPs overhaul and catering to these DSLRs very worthwhile.
Finally, lets not forget about the giant filmmaking sector that is Documentary Filmmaking. These docs are being shot on smaller and smaller devices for a whole host of reasons, and while they're not hollywood epic blockbusters that can afford to shoot on several hundred thousand dollars worth of equipment... they are still professional and still deserve some loving from their 'pro' editing app.