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It is Mac, NOT MAC! Get a clue.

Well SORRY! Gotta problem capializing the A and C?


I'm just saying all their commercials on Mac (NOT MAC) are just Vista bashing and they are getting annoying. What's that point of making another commercial if it's the same message (Vista Sucks).

Anyway, I meant to spell MAC this way because:
MAC = M.A.C. = Most Annoying Company (or even Most Annoying Commercial)
 
It's hard to see Apple doing this. I don't like it.

I loved Steve Jobs in the moment he said, "For Apple to win, Microsoft doesn't have to lose." I've used that as a mantra for so many things in life. Vista is vista. It's not evil. I don't know why Apple is going down this negative path...
Neither do I. However, I'm glad their marketing department can run only skin-deep. The real brains behind Apple know that they need Microsoft to survive, and vice versa. The software industry is a large ecosystem, you can have the greatest OS in the world but it won't mean a thing without great software.
 
Is this only in the States? I see no such ad! (Canada) Though, my own stupidity could be getting in the way.
 
Well, I enjoyed it. Yeah, it's childish, but it's working - and it's not as if it's something that isn't done by other corporations...

Someone needs to get a little more 'quality' time in with Vista, to really, truly appreciate how utterly, fantastically, annoying it is.


I had vista,it sucks, but at least my airport connection stayed solid on it.My MBP drops wi-fi likes its hot potato season.WinXP works as well, ironic that M$ works on Apple hardware and both "kitty litter OS's" fail miserably.Apple releases so-called fixes that do nothing to resolve this issue.Its all over Apples forum's, houston there is a problem!!!!

How many times can you reset the pram, reinstall the OS, Airport Extreme Router(G) up to date just to have a few minutes connectivity.Tried open network ,WEP, WPA same issues.System temps are fine, all Hardware tests passed 3x.Even went back a few revisions still no luck.My background is in level 2 tech support, worked for DELL, and still set up recording studios so every step is documented so as to not miss anything.

Still, one reboot into either XP(where i plan to stay) or Vista(sold it) connects right away no dropouts, full speed ahead.Apple has become too big for its own britches, arrogance is high, customer service is a joke and there are lots of upset people, many of whom go a long way back.I still have the Apple IIe that my Grandpa bought the day it came out.It still works!!!

In closing, Apple needs to quit focusing on stupid Mac Vs Pc ads that focus on negativity to promote a product that imho is half arsed.The use tactics pointed out in the OP are the last straw for me. :mad:
 
But is Apple bashing Vista.?

As far as I can see with this ad is that Apple are pointing out what other people are saying about Vista in reviews, etc.
 
They need to do less Vista-bashing and more Leopard promoting. Its left to the fans to tell their friends and families about the features that make 10.5 better than Vista.

On another note, now I can see these ads on the sites, hopefully it won't be long until Pith Helmet is updated for Safari 3.1

Agreed.

In '97 when Steve made his return and said something to the effect of - we have to get rid of the notion that for Apple to succeed, we need Microsoft to fail. Why would this campaign poorly reflect this idea?
 
Okay Apple, you can continue bashing Vista. Go ahead, be my guest. Yet, you have a lovely application installed on ALL of your new shiny Mac OS X Leopard called...BOOT CAMP! So yeah, you can bash that Vista is crap and that it should rot. Yet you spent time to create a program to allow a user to install this just HORRIBLE operating system on your beautiful, utopia operating system.

I have Windows Visa Home Premium SP1 and guess how many problems I had since I bought my computer in May? NONE! Absolutely nothing! So, go ahead, bash Microsoft some more. But remember that if it weren't for Microsoft, there would be no Apple Inc.
 
I have Windows Visa Home Premium SP1 and ...
Windows Visa? You gave them have your credit card number? Do they just charge you whatever they think you owe them, whenever they want? ;) (j/k)

FWIW, Vista annoys the crap outta me but I still like XP for some things. The XP SP3 beta is very fast and very solid, I think that is going to be the XP upgrade of choice when they release this "for realz".
 
funny how many want the vista vs mac ads to end. I think the marketing boys know how to do their job.
 
More pathetic Microsoft bashing. Give it a rest for christ sake.

No one cares about these ads anymore apart from die hard Apple fanatics. Microsoft fans (ie. 95% of the world) couldn't care less about the whining and arrogance coming out of the Apple camp.

Thats the point actually.. The 95 percent you are refering is NOT Microsoft fans.. Most of them are people who had to buy/pirate and install Windows on their PCs just because that was what only was available.. They had no choice.. They hate their Windows, but thats whats cheap and whats available.. They format and reinstall once in a while and try to be happy with what they own..

Mac users, on the other hand, bought their machines knowingly, and especially for Mac OS. Yes, Apple has great hardware, but power of Mac experience comes from the operating system.
 
Two reasons why these ads work:

They're not so much about bashing Windows as raising the point to the disgruntled Vista consumer that they're already feeling: that they got hoodwinked into Vista and it's really quite awful, despite the hype. Over and over this is what I hear from mom and pop Vista users: they got a new machine, it sucks, they don't really know where to turn, although they're pretty sure Macs might be better.

Secondly, these ads are just a really nice presentation. They are on MAJOR Web sites where your average user goes. And they interact all over the user's screen. This isn't like one of those super-banner ads that just repeats the same tagline and branding at the top and side: it's an interaction between the two, and one that's pretty funny. I've seen a couple ads like this but none that are as polished in the mainstream.

Yeah there are some issues with it, but the only people it will turn off from the Mac are those who are predisposed to hating the whole smugness of Mac anyway. And I dont think us or Apple will tone down the "well, we're better, so?" ethos any time soon.
 
Mac vs. Vista ads

I have been following the religious warfare between Mac and PC for years now and have finally made my peace with it. You know how ardent football fans are? Car buffs? Here in So Cal people LOVE their cars, because they spend upwards to 3 hours a day in them due to traffic and want it to be as comfortable as possible.

Well, take that to the next extreme... with computers, people are spending upwards to 8 to 10 hours a day on their machine, especially if they are the so-called Knowledge Worker type. I spend more time working on my Macbook Pro than I do sleeping or talking to my family, two other important activities. So, it's no wonder that people take this stuff seriously and treat it like a religion.

Will Microsoft ever get me over to Windows again (I used it for 5 years during the dark Apple days prior to Jobs returning)? As likely as I am to convert to another religion. The fact that Apple has managed to grow their marketshare to be just behind Dell and HP in yearly sales means that they have pulled off the amazing trick of getting millions of people to change a seriously ingrained set of habits and make the switch.

You don't do that easily, folks. So, however snarky the Mac vs. PC ads may strike you, they are humanizing an incredibly difficult set of feature comparisons. And if you don't think that Mac has been trumpeting their features in the Mac vs. PC ads, then you simply haven't seen them.

Regards,

Bill
 
Oh, sorry... macs being used by 7% of all computer users in the world as opposed to 5%.

The fact remains, Apple may think they're being 'cool' and 'hip' by bashing Vista 24/7, but it's just making the conception that Apple fans are arrogant, annoying people who think they're better than everyone else even more apparent.

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The last message of 'Nobody gives a ****' is the most telling I think.

These Mac vs PC ads may have been funny once, but they've gone on far too long and are damaging Apple's reputation more than Windows now.

I've used OS X and apart from the lovely design, hate it usability-wise. And most people seem to agree judging by the infintely higher number of Windows users in the world. OS X may have some great touches and cool apps, but in terms of doing day in day out work, XP for me. Fantastic OS.

I don't take issue with your opinion of the ads or OSX, but to claim that most people use Windows because they don't like the usability of OSX is just pure nonsense. That is probably the absolute last reason in terms of impact I can possibly think of as to why most people are currently using Windows.

How about I make it simple for you and list some realistic causes:

1) Momentum - Windows has been the dominant OS for home users and office drones for the last 15 years. Because of this, most users already have knowledge of and use regularly, productivity and specialist software that has traditionally only run on Windows OSs. Likewise, many people without home computers early on in the PC revolution had been trained to use DOS and windows at their job, and so when computers became affordable in the early/mid 90's, they naturally purchased PCs that ran windows.

2) OS Availability/Cost - Most of the windows momentum mentioned above, beginning in the workplace, was a result of Apple' OS only being available on premium priced Apple computers that were targeted towards the creative sector. Most businesses did not need these advanced capabilities, and purchased much cheaper generic, IBM-compatible PCs that only needed to run basic productivity/accounting/vertical market software.
This created a "catch-22" whereby because most businesses were buying commodity PCs that ran windows, most 3rd party business software makers focused on providing software for the windows platform, which in turn caused new and expanding businesses to purchase more windows running PCs, thus completing the cycle.

Despite the inroads made to improve compatibility with Windows software, such as using x86 processors which allow the dual-booting or fast simultaneous virtualization of Windows, or the ability of OSX to interface with windows based networks, the overall compatibility problem still has a grip on the market today.

Perhaps even more importantly, Apple is still a premium brand associated with the creative industry, and to this day does not make low-cost, expandable, and easy to repair desktop models for enterprise use. Despite this, I'm not sure they want to play in that market, and are happier selling premium, capable, and easy-to-use computers to the home market and creative industry.

By the way, I don't even own an Apple computer, so don't even start calling me a fanboy. I don't care about your opinion of OSX or if you like Vista, you are totally entitled to it. But don't start throwing false BS into your rants.
 
I don't know repeating what is essentially someone's opinion can be considered negative advertising. It is already out there, it is not spin and it is worth reminding consumers about. Apple is a business with obligations to its stockholders, a legal obligation. To advertise that someone said this or that sucks is not negative, anymore to advertise that IE is not standards compliant.
Business is not liberal politics.
 
These Mac vs PC ads may have been funny once, but they've gone on far too long and are damaging Apple's reputation more than Windows now.

Right, which is why Apple's market share keeps going up. :rolleyes:

I've used OS X and apart from the lovely design, hate it usability-wise.

That makes you quite unusual.

And most people seem to agree judging by the infintely higher number of Windows users in the world.

Most people still don't even know what an OS is, never mind the fact that they have a choice in the matter. If Microsoft hadn't gotten away with all their shady (and illegal) dealings, then you'd be seeing the majority of people picking something other than Windows (and maybe not even OS X, if there was more real competition in the computer market like there used to be in the '80s).

--Eric
 
I don't take issue with your opinion of the ads or OSX, but to claim that most people use Windows because they don't like the usability of OSX is just pure nonsense. That is probably the absolute last reason in terms of impact I can possibly think of as to why most people are currently using Windows.

How about I make it simple for you and list some realistic causes:

1) Momentum - Windows has been the dominant OS for home users and office drones for the last 15 years. Because of this, most users already have knowledge of and use regularly, productivity and specialist software that has traditionally only run on Windows OSs. Likewise, many people without home computers early on in the PC revolution had been trained to use DOS and windows at their job, and so when computers became affordable in the early/mid 90's, they naturally purchased PCs that ran windows.

2) OS Availability/Cost - Most of the windows momentum mentioned above, beginning in the workplace, was a result of Apple' OS only being available on premium priced Apple computers that were targeted towards the creative sector. Most businesses did not need these advanced capabilities, and purchased much cheaper generic, IBM-compatible PCs that only needed to run basic productivity/accounting/vertical market software.
This created a "catch-22" whereby because most businesses were buying commodity PCs that ran windows, most 3rd party business software makers focused on providing software for the windows platform, which in turn caused new and expanding businesses to purchase more windows running PCs, thus completing the cycle.

Despite the inroads made to improve compatibility with Windows software, such as using x86 processors which allow the dual-booting or fast simultaneous virtualization of Windows, or the ability of OSX to interface with windows based networks, the overall compatibility problem still has a grip on the market today.

Perhaps even more importantly, Apple is still a premium brand associated with the creative industry, and to this day does not make low-cost, expandable, and easy to repair desktop models for enterprise use. Despite this, I'm not sure they want to play in that market, and are happier selling premium, capable, and easy-to-use computers to the home market and creative industry.

By the way, I don't even own an Apple computer, so don't even start calling me a fanboy. I don't care about your opinion of OSX or if you like Vista, you are totally entitled to it. But don't start throwing false BS into your rants.

Agreed. Microsoft just got lucky at struck a huge deal that gave them a large advantage is all. IBM was a huge business machine, and by targeting them, they captured a large size of the market before they had even completed the OS itself.
 
Personally, I think they should have a ratio of 1:1 "what's good about Mac's" vs. "What crap about Windows". Lately, they are targeting Microsoft way to much..and its getting stale as a result to me.
 
This is not funny say that microsoft vista this and that.....and leopard is better...

Apple look to leopard and improve it!
 
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