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Originally posted by GregA
Takao is from Austria, not Australia!

We pay about US$2.40/gallon in Australia (done in my head... feel free to correct me anyone).

But we don't really drive to Alice Springs (well, the east coast people don't). Do you drive from Arizona to Washington much?
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First, D'oh! —(there's no emoticon for someone slapping themselves silly for not reading clearly is there?).

And second that was just my point, although it makes much less sense now. If you had to drive 1,000 miles or so at $4.00 per gallon, that would be hideously expensive, and the 10 mile per day average here in the U.S. would become a major expense.
My American education reveals itself.;)
 
Originally posted by hulugu
First, D'oh! —(there's no emoticon for someone slapping themselves silly for not reading clearly is there?).

And second that was just my point, although it makes much less sense now. If you had to drive 1,000 miles or so at $4.00 per gallon, that would be hideously expensive, and the 10 mile per day average here in the U.S. would become a major expense.
My American education reveals itself.;)
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i would have to drive a few circles if i want to drive 1000 miles in my own country ;-) with maximum 500 miles from one side to the opposite side ...perhaps even less.... our giant 'Airforce'( they had 24 draken.... only 4 left because the machines are so old and they can't get any spare parts) have problems to patrol the austrian airspace ...2 miles in the wrong direction and some other nation has to send up their own jets...they have in some places not enough space to maneuver and we have some treaties with switzerland etc. to use their airspace for turnarounds (and vice versa) ...from one airport they can reach every place in the country in 20 minutes (for a small region a little more like 25 minutes)

but even those crappy machines are good if you combine it with one of the biggest/strongest/newest radar dishes of europe ;-) the pictures of those 2 F-117 which were flying illegal through austrian airspace during the afghanistan thing (they wanted to save fuel because they would have to fly around austria normally :rolleyes: ) their stealth-ability wasn't good enough to slip through...i wonder what happed to the responsible persons because the pictures were sent directly to washington
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I think we'll definately see a powerbook G5 first but isn't this kind of release "oh and one last thing" MacWorld material? They could however slip a G5 into the iMac without much bruhaha.

I think Apple needs to focus on the prosumer. They've lost the battle in the under 1K field. They just cannot compete with a Dell built machine for $399. The current iMac would be a wonderful if it only allowed for cube like expansion.
 
Originally posted by Evan_11
I think we'll definately see a powerbook G5 first but isn't this kind of release "oh and one last thing" MacWorld material? They could however slip a G5 into the iMac without much bruhaha.

I think Apple needs to focus on the prosumer. They've lost the battle in the under 1K field. They just cannot compete with a Dell built machine for $399. The current iMac would be a wonderful if it only allowed for cube like expansion.
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Go G5 Cube! :D (and new metal form factor screens - 30" please :p )
 
Originally posted by j_maddison


I think what would really give apple a boost woudl be somethign like this

PowerMac G5
Drop the single processor G5 and let people buy an imac instead.
Dual 2.4Ghz
Dual 2.6 Ghz

The prossumer rance will be diferentiated by expandibility, higher Ram capacity and duals.

PowerBook G5
12" 2.0Ghz
15" 2.0 (apple should stop trying to differentiate with two different fifteen inch powerbooks. Give them all super drives and let the consumer ibook range have the option of a superdirve or a cd burner/dvd rom combo)
15" 2.0 Ghz
17" 2.0 Ghz

I think people buy a 12" because they want a 12", and a 15" because they want a 15" and 17" because they want a 17". I dont think the processor comes into it. so give them all the same processor.

iMac
no more 15" get rid of it, buy an e mac instead.
17" 2.0 single G5 yes G5
20" 2.0 single G5.
In all honesty unless they do something with the price i think the iMac is the next cube and will just dissapear. I really like the iMac, but i dont think that artificially keeping the eMac under powered does anyone any good. i'm sure the iMac has a market, but i just wonder if it will be canabalised by the eMac

eMac - bring back the colour. Give us the same flavours the imac used to have. I really think that this would make hte eMac take right off. Consumers really loved the colours of the iMac. hell its why i switched.
2.0 G5

iBook
12" 1.6 G5
14" 1.6 G5

The reason I'm saying go G5 across the range is so that OS x can trully become a 64bit os. apple make your marketing focus on what consumers want, not on internal standards. also the entire apple range would really have a boost from the G5 brand strength. The average consumer will see G5 and see that at its very simplest intention it will be a numbercial increse over the P4 brand.

jason
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Hi Jason,

first thanks for staying on topic.

I really agree with you that what you are proposing would be just a great lineup. But I don't think its going to happen in the next 6 month. I guess it takes another year before the line is completly G5.

And for the colors - hope for it. I mean the iPods are colored again, why not the emacs.

Cheers
 
The new hardware they are talking about must be the updated G5's, new displays and the tvbox rumored for several months now! Ofcourse new Imacs, Powerbooks are also possible, but I think they wait with that for another couple of months, although there is really a need for updated and therefore faster Imacs!
 
Originally posted by stingerman
The PB 17" has a dual 1.8 in it, doesn't it? ;) Oh and I predict we will see hardware updated between March and December...
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..in a year that has this format "2XXX"
 
Originally posted by j_maddison


The reason I'm saying go G5 across the range is so that OS x can trully become a 64bit os. apple make your marketing focus on what consumers want, not on internal standards. also the entire apple range would really have a boost from the G5 brand strength. The average consumer will see G5 and see that at its very simplest intention it will be a numbercial increse over the P4 brand.


jason
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I think it would be great to go G5 across the entire line but it will take awhile. I remember other people making the same arguments about the G4 and look how long it took for the iBook to finally get a G4. About 4 years? Although, I think the transition to the G5 will be a little faster than that.
 
Yes, in 4 years we'll have 20GHz processors so there will be no room for 1.42GHz G4 machines. That said, people like me will still be running our G4 PowerBooks and machines so support for the G4 will have to continue for a good while yet.
 
Sadly I dont think the line will go G5 either. Unfortunately apple always look internally, I think the first time they actually looked at what the market wanted was with the colour imacs.

I think the colour mini ipods will be a smash as soon as they lower the prices.

I genuinly belive that Apple themselves are Apples' biggest problem.

Personally I either want a G5 emac in blue, no i've changed my mind i want a red one, nope a green one, no no no i want a black one, oh i remember i can only have boring white :(

Bring on the 12" G5 powerbook to replace my existing 12" G4 one.

Jason
 
Originally posted by johnnyjibbs
Yes, in 4 years we'll have 20GHz processors ...
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At the rate we're going, in 4 years PowerMacs will have 4.4GHz processors; the iBooks will still be G4 at about 1.6GHz; eMacs and iMacs combined will sell about 20,000 units a year; Dell will be selling PCs at about $199.

I don't think Apple should try to compete with low-end PCs. Microsoft is the only company making any real profit off of them. Apple should keep the iMac price where it is -- and make it worth the money.
 
That's exactly right. The iMacs is expensive because it is of a great build quality and is very stylish. But it would sell far more if it packed more power and maybe had a little bit more upgradeability (better RAM expansion and changeable graphics card).
 
If they go all dual in the powermac lineup which I think they will, it will open up the doors for putting a G5 in the iMac. Not before the powerbook though...

A G5 cube would be insanely great because it would offer upgradeability that prosumers need but without the 2 processors. The current powermac looks kind of stupid with just one processor anyway.

However a G5 Cube priced right would kill off a lot of iMac sales.

I think we'll see another overhaul of the iMac design. Now that Apple has infiltrated the PC market with the iPod its time to fully convert them. This is really the whole point of the iMac anyway. A detachable touch screen, built in Airport and a ipod like interface. Even have a dock like the iPods where you would plug in your printer, keyboard and mouse. Center the software around the iApps. You might even see a less powerful processor like IBM's altivec enabled G3 to keep the heat and power consumption down.
 
But the iMac is Apple's flagship machine. Part of its problem is they changed market slightly when changing from the old bulbous iMac to the new trendy, stylish but with a price tag one. Consumers aren't stupid and it's about time Apple realised this. Give them a functional but upgradeable (if you so desire) iMac that retains style and elegance but that has more power. The G5 fits that bill. Single 2.0 GHz processor please.
 
Originally posted by johnnyjibbs
.. the iMac is Apple's flagship machine. ...
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that sums it up pretty good ...there lies the whole problem at the moment
if you you say 'mac' to people on the x86 side they have the original iMac with colors or the TFT-imac in mind (and now perhaps ipods)...nobody thinks about ibooks,powerbooks,powermacs etc..
 
Evan11 makes a very good point, a single cpu in the new towers is not only silly but a big waste of space. whats the point of even having such a large container if its half empty? might as well have 2 cpu's or another drive or something in there. Poor execution in my book. We have said many times but all towers should be duals and put single G5s in Imac/cube/Performa whatever. I mean what was Apple thinking in coming out with 2 single cpu machines and then only 1 dual in the original pro towers??? seems they always find a way to screw up the product lines.
 
They may have had chip shortages at the beginning, or they may just have misjudged the market. Currently I think the 1.6 G5 is designed for those who want a cheap G5 but can't afford a more expensive dual. Once the iMac goes G5, I could see them making the towers all duals.
 
"They should stop these rumors, because people are holding back their purchases"

It's even worse when they announce something and release it only 4 months later like what they did the G5.
 
I agree that most people still see polka dots when you mention iMac. Hell most people think the eMac is the iMac without the spots (which in reality it is). The current model has a severe identity crises. I think they are heading in the right direction by putting a 20" screen on it but for god sakes it needs a G5 and easier expandibility. For $2200 you should be getting a true prosumer machine not a consumer machine on steroids.
 
Originally posted by gate
"They should stop these rumors, because people are holding back their purchases"

It's even worse when they announce something and release it only 4 months later like what they did the G5.
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I agree, there are a lot waiting for the Rev. B Power Mac to make their next purchase. There is certainly a lot of pent up demand. Hopefully there won't be a long wait again from announcement to delivery. With the delay, it would certainly seem that it won't be the case again.

It would be nice if all the G5's come out as dual, The space is certainly there.
 
Face it Apple screwed up by not making Emac the Imac and then removing colors, its amazing how this company keeps going when you look at the history of screw up after screw up. Current Imac and Emac are another example. Didnt Steve say crts are dead? wasnt Emac only for education? and so is the G5 fiasco about power supplies and ibook motherboards. I swear i still think they have a bunch of clowns running this company and then picking straws at what they will do next:confused:
 
Emac-should go color and have same stats as it does now except a g5

iMac-cut off its head, make it into a really cool looking tower but remain much smaller than the powermac. Make sure its expandable and very aesthetically pleasing. Give it a single G5 at around 2ghz and drop the price significantly.

PowerMac-all models Dual G5s. Dual 3ghz, dual 2.5 ghz and dual 2.0 ghz, higher speeds get better stuff but all are fully upgradeable.

Powerbook-get the speeds up to a 1.6-1.8 g5. Don't change the speeds between sizes but give more RAM and bigger hd etc for bigger sizes.

iBook-eventually get a G5 but keep stats has now
 
"there are a lot waiting for the Rev. B Power Mac to make their next purchase"

I'm one of them but I was interested to buy in January or early February. Now I may wait 'til September to get a dual 3 Ghz with DDR II and probably a few other features that won't be on the Rev. B.
 
Originally posted by Dont Hurt Me
Face it Apple screwed up by not making Emac the Imac and then removing colors, its amazing how this company keeps going when you look at the history of screw up after screw up. Current Imac and Emac are another example. Didnt Steve say crts are dead? wasnt Emac only for education? and so is the G5 fiasco about power supplies and ibook motherboards. I swear i still think they have a bunch of clowns running this company and then picking straws at what they will do next:confused:
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Be careful and honest with yourself here.
THEY don't keep the company going . YOU DO. And all who buy from "Clowns".
 
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