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New Hardware in April/March?

That works out at being about 24 pence per litre then, but we get charged more like 80p

so with the current exchange rate it works out to be the equivalent of $5.60 a gallon here!
 
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Originally posted by takao
i always wondered why automatic transmissions are so popular in the US ? for me personnaly shifting is the most interresting aspect of driving a car ..i would miss it ..
can somebody please give me some numbers on this prices for gasoline/diesel in america ? i know they are very low but how low exactly ?
and how much is a gallon ?... (all those american things: yard,inch,fahrenheit etc. are very confusing )perhaps sombody knows a good site where you can calculate them to something different ?

back on topic
if there are any new hardware during april/march i doubt it would be something brand new like imac g5 or new formfactors
better speed/specs. perhaps but nothing ground breaking
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1 US gallons = 3.7854118 liters. Just types gallons to liters in gogle and got that, plenty of conversion tools online. Try this:

http://directory.google.com/Top/Science/Reference/Units_of_Measurement/Online_Calculators/?tc=1


Gas averages $1.65 per gallon as reported on the news yesterday. I live in NYC and pay closer to $2.00 per gallon. Living here is like owning a Mac, more expensive but worth it.

Automatic transmissions because of so much traffic. Takes all the fun out of driving a stick.
 
thx for those numbers....

and yeah those numbers make me feel bad
...at current exchange rate i have to pay 4.84$ per gallon ... i guess i have to pay 'SGI-Prices' here for fuel...but i think those free hospital-service/school system is worth enough to pay so much tax ...
 
Originally posted by Dont Hurt Me
A sure way to kill off sales is to leave Imac G4.
Point #1 the consumer line should be selling 10 times the amount of the pro line due to consumers outnumber the pro's 100 to 1. they are not and in fact are selling in about the same quantity. and this is Emac & Imac sales combined. Very sad if you are going for those pod carrying folks also known as consumers.
Point#2 where is is written that powerbook needs G5 before Imac? this is a total different market. one is portable one is not.
Point#3 G4 is good for a laptop due to its low power consumption
Point#4 Imac has been priced for prosumer market but its G4(insert laugh) is nowhere close to prosumer Pc's. even if they gave it 2 G4s its still not close. G4 doesnt belong there.
Point #5 Consumers are gamers and the top consumer machine is a very poor gamer machine. at over 2 thousand dollars it should be able to play Halo,Ut2004 and Doom3. It cant.
Point # 6 This means a consumer has to buy a Powermac 1.6 G5 to get (only) decent performance. not stellar performance and add the cost of a monitor and you are now at $2500. this is way outside what consumers want to spend for a good computer in fact about $1000 over where it should be thereby locking the consumer out of Apple as a alternative to a Pc which will have more performance,less cost and the consumer can get just what they want without having to buy all the extras Apple forces on you.
Last Point. Imac is hurting more then any other product and should be a clear sales leader for Apple. It isnt. Imac Crt was the leader that brought millions into Apples world and they need another machine that can do that again. It will take power(G5) it will take style and it will take color. If Apple ignores these 3 points it is going to be more of the same for its sales numbers. Rant over.
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The G4 is quite outdated. It barely belongs in an eMac, let alone an iMac. In my dreams: The powermac jumps to a G6 based on the 980, and every thing below jumps to a G5 the eMac and iBook would bring up the rear with improved G4s or slow G5s. oh yeah, somehow apple needs to make a cheaper iMac and eMac. Im not holding my breath.:rolleyes:
 
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Originally posted by takao
i always wondered why automatic transmissions are so popular in the US ? for me personnaly shifting is the most interresting aspect of driving a car ..i would miss it ..
can somebody please give me some numbers on this prices for gasoline/diesel in america ? i know they are very low but how low exactly ?
and how much is a gallon ?... (all those american things: yard,inch,fahrenheit etc. are very confusing )perhaps sombody knows a good site where you can calculate them to something different ?
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Automatic transmissions have their use in long commutes in traffic, holding down a clutch pedal for an hour starts to suck. I have an automatic Ford Focus and a manual Jeep CJ-7 and I can see the advantages for both.
Where I live gas is about $1.60 per gallon, and a gallon is equal to about 3.8 Liters. I still don't understand why we can't just use the metric system. Try www.mathconnect.com/Conversion.htm.
 
Originally posted by takao
thx for those numbers....

and yeah those numbers make me feel bad
...at current exchange rate i have to pay 4.84$ per gallon ... i guess i have to pay 'SGI-Prices' here for fuel...but i think those free hospital-service/school system is worth enough to pay so much tax ...
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It must cost a fortune to drive out to somewhere like Alice Springs.
Is there that much tax added to fuel? And is is really paying for so many things like health-care and schools. Do you have property taxes? If yes, approximately how much?
Off-topic, so I'll weigh in on this little rumor now:

Apple should hold with its product line unless it plans to release a 'headless' mac, lots of people seems to want them and frankly Apple needs to start competing below the $2000 line for consumers. While Apple's products are exceedingly better for quality, ROI, TCO, etc. it becomes hard to keep a consumer focused on such a machine when most Dells fall below that line. And while a G5 can stay above this line because it offers such things as 64-bit chip, fibre-channel, etc. the iMac/eMac/Powerbook do not. The iBook can remain G4 because it is truly a student machine, and a low-end consumer machine and it fits very well within that particular line, but as you move into the iMac range, Apple compares less and less favorably. Although if I could I would certainly buy a 20" iMac just for the screen real-estate, I can see why many people would buy something else. The eMac I think offers the best value, but still it seems expensive when you add the Superdrive, and memory (I know Apple's memory is expensive, but this isn't true with Dell or Gateway and adding 512k to a machine should not add $200.00 when these companies are adding it in for free).
I love Apple, they've taken such good care of me, and my Powerbook has been such a great machine for 2 years, but Apple compete damnit! Like the iPod be your trojan horse, but at some point people still view Apple as overpriced, and at the mid-range, they are.
 
Yep, return of the cube - a little bigger and with fans

Originally posted by clr900
SNIP
I think that Apple should create a tower iMac which has no screen and unlike the current iMac it would offer expandability and reasonable speeds that could compete with the crappy computers dell and other companies offer for so cheap. It would not be as big as the current PowerMac G5 and obviously would have to be really cool and good looking. This would allow the average consumer to have a tower like the crappy computers they already have and could hook it up to a monitor they already have and then they would be able to see the amazing quality and greatness of Apple but not have to feel like they are spending a fortune or buying something that can't be upgraded. It could have single G5 processors with varying speeds so that it would not compete with the PowerMac line, but it would not be so far behind like it is now. Apple could bundle it in a package with their 17in lcd screens which would obviously be much more expensive than just the iMac tower but you could buy just the iMac too. If Apple could come out with this and price it around 1000 dollars, I think that the average consumer would seriously consider it, without the display it is much cheaper and would allow consumers to use displays they already owned.
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Originally posted by carletonmusic
Apple users get so uptight about hardware revisions! ;) Do PC people follow the releases of Dell, Sony, HP, and Gateway with such interest???
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They don't have to - it's like working in a sweet shop - there is that much variety and new things out ALL the time, that the concept is irrelevant.
 
Working in a 'Sweet Shop'.. mmmmm. Chocolate.

Anyway.. Apple is still shipping Bluetooth keyboards and mice BTO. Maybe 10.3.3 includes them so the PM can boot first time without cords.
 
Originally posted by JasonElise1983
G5 iMac...i don't think so. It would be so silly of Apple to even attempt a G5 iMac. Lets look at the facts. The PowerMac just got a G5 in June. The PowerBook doesn't even have one yet. And the iMac just got a 20" screen. Apple would never put a G5 in the current case, and since they just developed something new for it, i would say that it will be a G4 for a while.
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Maybe I'm reading you wrong - but it sounds like you're saying even if Apple could do an iMac G5, they'd sit back and say "well, we've got this new chip. We have some designs which'd work for an iMac G5, but hey - we haven't got a PowerBook G5 yet so lets forget making the iMacs a good machine for now. Besides, we only just increased the iMac screen size - lets let it run slow for a while until we sell enough to make back our investment (if it sells really slowly we'll just wait longer, or increase the price)."

I have to admit a part of me gets a chill worrying that Apple sometimes thinks this way... but business wise it makes sense to bring the specs up on their machines as fast as they can, whether the iMac or PowerBook come out first.

On a related note - Apple would avoid people waiting around for new hardware by dropping the price on a machine as it ages... then when the new release comes out its price is back at the original (and any old ones sitting in the sales channel get sold at the reduced price)

Originally posted by takao
...at current exchange rate i have to pay 4.84$ per gallon ...
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Originally posted by hulugu
It must cost a fortune to drive out to somewhere like Alice Springs.
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Takao is from Austria, not Australia!

We pay about US$2.40/gallon in Australia (done in my head... feel free to correct me anyone).

But we don't really drive to Alice Springs (well, the east coast people don't). Do you drive from Arizona to Washington much?
 
Originally posted by arn
I think is faulty logic.

Hardware isn't delayed by OS releases.

When a new Mac is released, it always has a newer version of Mac OS installed on it -- this extra code provides support for the new machine.

In other words, even if Mac OS X 10.3.3 came out a week before the new PowerMacs were released, I'd wager the new PowerMacs have a different version of Mac OS X 10.3.3.

arn
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Even if the PowerMac G5 version of Mac OS 10.3.3 is a different, but related, branch of the Mac OS X Panther development tree, it still has to go through the same testing process that the main 10.3.3 branch does. So it is still conceivable in my mind that Mac OS 10.3.3 could be holding up the Rev. B G5s.
 
Originally posted by GregA
Takao is from Austria, not Australia!
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i was wondering by myself: 'Alice Springs ? Where is that ?' Sorry no kangoroos here :D
for long distances we're using train very often .. sometimes cheaper than flying and more comfortable/cheaper than driving with your own car

back on topic:
i think if they _can_ release a G5 iMac they are releasing them ..i doubt that apple is going to hold one back because of the slower "pro" laptops ... in(PC)history laptops _never_ had the same speed as a decent consumer machine ... even now with 3.0ghz laptops on the PC side they aren't as fast as 3.0 ghz desktops ...desktops are going for 10.000 rpm drives, faster busses/RAM, better graphic cards,etc. .. it's illusion that a laptop can be at the same speed without sacrificing battery life

G5 imac will be released when it's done.
G5 PowerBook will be released when it's done.
Holding one of them back because of the other one will not happen.
One is portable, and one is not. They are not in the same market. If somebody wants a laptop and sees that there is a consumer desktop available which is faster does the person buy the desktop instead ? I don't think so.
 
Originally posted by wrldwzrd89
Even if the PowerMac G5 version of Mac OS 10.3.3 is a different, but related, branch of the Mac OS X Panther development tree, it still has to go through the same testing process that the main 10.3.3 branch does. So it is still conceivable in my mind that Mac OS 10.3.3 could be holding up the Rev. B G5s.
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i agree.
 
From the general tone of the posts here it would seem that what people are clamoring for is a G5 version of an "LC" that can plug right into PC style peripherals and run PC games (under VPC or whatever) but still have full mac functionality. All for some low price point.

Apple knows people have wanted this for a decade or more but have not released it.

They must feel such a device would cannnaibalize Mac sales and not simply take away premium PC sales. And possibly be a service nightmare.

Rocketman
 
Originally posted by jwhitnah
The G4 is quite outdated. It barely belongs in an eMac, let alone an iMac. In my dreams: The powermac jumps to a G6 based on the 980, and every thing below jumps to a G5 the eMac and iBook would bring up the rear with improved G4s or slow G5s. oh yeah, somehow apple needs to make a cheaper iMac and eMac. Im not holding my breath.:rolleyes:
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I would find this to be an awesome development. It has been already posted the IBM is already working the the next generation chips. Steve did say that there are much more to come this year. The Mac OS 10.5 or 10.6 just might be that radical new software need for the G6. That is if they do indeed skip the 10.4. It could be that the 3D look would to the screen would need a new chip. Anything is possible, this is the 20th Anniversary year of the Mac. Why not make a big splash, by also moving the iMac, PB, & eMac up to G5 status.
 
apple hardware is not too expensive, you only need to make fair comparison. take a powerbook for example, it is just ridiculous to compare it to some dell model - it should be compared to top-of-line ibm laptops. and guess what? ibm is far more expensive. and apple cinema displays for example, well, there just is nothing to compare against, which is a merit for apple. (that said, i think they should just drop the regular 17" model or replace it with a widescreen model. if colour accuracy is not worth anything, one could say that is an overpriced luxury item.)

oh yes, i'm waiting for the G5PB. but i know i will be waiting for the rev.b because for some reason i suspect the first revision will be less than "rock solid".
 
Hi folks,

what do you expect will come in March or April ? Well I guess everyone is waiting for new PB and PM as well as iMac and eMac. From my perspective the whole offering (except the iBook) is due for an update. I think that we see a PM with speeds up to 2.6 GHz, PB with still G4s and minor speedbumps. For the iMac and think its time for the G5 and the eMac, well some speedbumps as well and I hope for a better monitor. Thats it. What do you think ?

Cheers
 
I don't see why there is a problem with the iMac going G5 before the PowerBook. They are different markets. As long as the PowerBook is more powerful or refined than the iBook, that's all that matters. People who need real power will have a PowerMac as their main machine, with portability coming in the form of a PowerBook if needed. Desktops are always more powerful than notebooks because of the size and heat constraints.

I wouldn't be surprised to see the PowerBook G5 looking very similar to the G4 (just with a logo change). The iMac may go metal, but it will most likely be a similar design.
 
I'm guessing we will see updates around early-mid March. Powermacs up to 2.6GHz and powerbooks up to 1.53 GHz G4.

Here's hoping I'm wrong about the powerbooks. Because I think Apple would be fools not to put in a G5 970FX up to 1.8GHz in them.
 
a new powerbook is long overdue, and i really want to purchase one. Do you guys still think the powerbook G5 will be released at the end of the year/ early summer?
 
I think that one of the biggest problems Apple has is that its marketing is internally focussed. Their are very inovative when it comes to product design, but their marketing sucks big time.

All to often I see people (i guess prosumers) talking about how consumer machines are fine and how us non pro users dont want anything too powrful, well heres two fingers to you. I'm not a designer, i have no interest in photoshop or any form of editing. I love my mac because it works, it has a killer os and its aesthetic. I dont worry about viruses or crashes wiping out half of my hard drive.

The reality is does anyone honestly think that if the imac was G5 that people would sop bying a powermac. dont be so stupid, and besides if they did, then who cares. It means more imac sales, but cummon seriously. what powermac users look for is slightly different to consumers, but to assume that consumers dont want power is farsical.

I think what would really give apple a boost woudl be somethign like this

PowerMac G5
Drop the single processor G5 and let people buy an imac instead.
Dual 2.4Ghz
Dual 2.6 Ghz

The prossumer rance will be diferentiated by expandibility, higher Ram capacity and duals.

PowerBook G5
12" 2.0Ghz
15" 2.0 (apple should stop trying to differentiate with two different fifteen inch powerbooks. Give them all super drives and let the consumer ibook range have the option of a superdirve or a cd burner/dvd rom combo)
15" 2.0 Ghz
17" 2.0 Ghz

I think people buy a 12" because they want a 12", and a 15" because they want a 15" and 17" because they want a 17". I dont think the processor comes into it. so give them all the same processor.

iMac
no more 15" get rid of it, buy an e mac instead.
17" 2.0 single G5 yes G5
20" 2.0 single G5.
In all honesty unless they do something with the price i think the iMac is the next cube and will just dissapear. I really like the iMac, but i dont think that artificially keeping the eMac under powered does anyone any good. i'm sure the iMac has a market, but i just wonder if it will be canabalised by the eMac

eMac - bring back the colour. Give us the same flavours the imac used to have. I really think that this would make hte eMac take right off. Consumers really loved the colours of the iMac. hell its why i switched.
2.0 G5

iBook
12" 1.6 G5
14" 1.6 G5

The reason I'm saying go G5 across the range is so that OS x can trully become a 64bit os. apple make your marketing focus on what consumers want, not on internal standards. also the entire apple range would really have a boost from the G5 brand strength. The average consumer will see G5 and see that at its very simplest intention it will be a numbercial increse over the P4 brand.

I know im going to get flamed, but I just see that there is more to be gained from shifting to a more marketing focused strategy, and not an internal one.

I just think that apple needs to shift tin, and it doesnt matter what type of tin it is as long as they are shifting it.

see i know the prosumers will not like what ive said, becuase they want their line to be head and shoulders above anything else. But the reality is what kills apple is the fact that people see macs as being great for designers and not so godo for anything else. I've even heard apple users say it, and it make me want to strangel them. I think a mac is a wonderful machine for anyonefrom abusiness users to students, and not just designers.

jason
 
Originally posted by EK03
a new powerbook is long overdue, and i really want to purchase one. Do you guys still think the powerbook G5 will be released at the end of the year/ early summer?
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There are a signficant number of us hoping that the PB G5 will appear anytime now, and summer NH at the latest. But we don't have any real hard evidence to suggest that it will, although lots of reasons to speculate why it might.
 
Originally posted by j_maddison
... The reality is does anyone honestly think that if the imac was G5 that people would sop bying a powermac. dont be so stupid, and besides if they did, then who cares. ...
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Hear hear! When Steve Jobs first brought out the G3 iMac, did it cut into Beige G3 tower sales? Of course it did! Did they worry about it? Maybe -- but it saved the company, you know!

Steve Jobs knows that the consumer line is hurting. Fred Anderson even said it. Steve's not going to sit in his easy chair and twiddle his thumbs. The G5 iMac is coming, you can believe it.
 
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