You are right, the iMac G5 is NOT a slow computer whatsoever. But once the intels come out, all of the new software coming out will be Intel - not PowerPC (for the most part). It's a hard decision to make.Abercrombieboy said:
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New iBooks, Mac minis and iPod shuffles at MWSF 2006?
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slb said:
Really? Guess you must have missed the huge update to the iMac product line a couple short months ago...
slb said:Happy to see the other models (particularly portables) get updated, but I was looking forward to getting an Intel-based iMac to replace my Mac mini. Hope I don't have to wait too long.
I think you will indeed be waiting a while.
1) Apple will be focusing on the portables first, as they are in the most need of improvement
2) Apple will be focusing on getting rid of the G4 machines first and transitioning those to Intel. There is nothing wrong with the G5s and no immediate need to change them
3) There is a lot of room for the G5 iMac to grow. The current machines are fast, and if Apple threw a 970MP in them, they would last a long time without needing an update
4) on the desktop side of things, Apple is focusing on Conroe and Woodcrest. This is why the PowerMac will not go Intel until 2007, and why the iMac might be in the same boat
I look for an Intel iMac later in 2006. My advice to you is don't hold your breath!
Im sure Mini will ship with the lowest Yonah which is why Apple hasnt even bothered mentioning it has a 1.5 G4. A 1.66 Yonah in Mini and a 64 or 128 mb video chip will make it a great little machine. Its taken years to Boot Motoscale but Apple is on the verge. Im sure both books will get the update at the same time because if not Apple will have ibooks faster then powerbooks unless some serious handicapping is going on. I predict new books and a new mini. G5 isnt all that people, 2 G5s = 1 Intel/AMD Its going to be an exciting year.
Its taken years to Boot Motoscale but Apple is on the verge. Im sure both books will get the update at the same time because if not Apple will have ibooks faster then powerbooks unless some serious handicapping is going on. I predict new books and a new mini. G5 isnt all that people, 2 G5s = 1 Intel/AMD Its going to be an exciting year.
this is how i see it when apple does release a powerbook intel you guys are going to complain because it not fast enough or the specs are crappy. plus, didnt the powerbooks just got updated recently? also, powerbooks are pro line laptops so it would make more sense if they updated them in a WWDC over a MacWorld conference. So, why sit here and say its not fair for an iBook to be updated before a powerbook? They probably want to start with consumer and education lines first before jumping into pro lines. Seriously, do you really think that apple will jump into the pro lines and find out it will back fire? It does makes more sense if they started with consumer lines first over pro line.
Randall said:
That's fair enough - I wouldn't consider it an upgrade either per se, but it was a "product refresh" or some similar marketing term to make people feel better.
But yes, in the end, I think the iBooks will get updated to Intel first, then the PowerBooks - and people will just have to deal with it. I think it wil all come down to how Jobs positions it during his keynote (or if he says anything at all for that matter! )EricNau said:
No it won't - it will be universal binary and work on both platforms for years to come.
Imac is ready for Yonah for all practical purposes. It would be easy for Apple to pop in a Yonah in iMac. Also iMac is maxed out with G5 at the moment thats why it got a .1 ghz boost plus without a gigantic cooling system you just aint getting anything else out of G5 in that imac. Yonah's wll be exceeding that single G5. watch and see.
plus without a gigantic cooling system you just aint getting anything else out of G5 in that imac. Yonah's wll be exceeding that single G5. watch and see.The GPU question is the thing I'm most concerned about. Assuming they do stick more or less to the current product matrix, now that they're cosy with Intel, allowing for the present tiny speed difference between the iBook and PowerBook and the rumours of the iBook coming first could we perhaps see low end products featuring only those low featured formerly-PowerVR Intel chipsets? Whatever comes out in January, if anything, I'm not going to look at it twice unless it has something with GL Shading Language fragment shader support. Especially with the advances in Core Image and Quartz Extreme 2D - that latter already in Tiger but not yet enabled (so presumably still buggy?), even the slowest GeForce Go FX or Radeon Mobility 9550 from the current iBook are infinitely preferable to the Radeon 9200 that the Mini currently has and the cheap Intel solutions.
PPC PowerBook can still last a little while, at least until the Pro-software (Adobe CS, Final Cut studio) is Intel-ready.
But it will be pretty weird to read over at Barefeats that an iNtell-iBook will be faster at MP3 encoding, gaming, Safari webpage rendering, etc... than a PowerBook
But it will be pretty weird to read over at Barefeats that an iNtell-iBook will be faster at MP3 encoding, gaming, Safari webpage rendering, etc... than a PowerBook
Dont Hurt Me said:Imac is ready for Yonah for all practical purposes. It would be easy for Apple to pop in a Yonah in iMac. Also iMac is maxed out with G5 at the moment thats why it got a .1 ghz boost
Perhaps Apple will stick a single core Yonah in the iMac mid-year, once they are released - that is a possibility as well which I didn't mention above. With only the dual core Yonahs being available right away, Apple will focus on the portable line for starters. Depending what re-engineering would be involved, Apple will the have to make the decision whether it is more feasible to stick a 970MP or a Yonah in the iMac...
kainjow said:
As I said, it will all depend on how Jobs positions it. If the Intel iBooks are indeed released, then Jobs would be wise to make mention of the upcoming Intel PowerBooks as well - specifically when they will be released and what advantages they have over the Intel iBooks - i.e. why should prospective PowerBook buyers wait and not just buy an iBook instead.
My only concern is if Steve somehow pointlessly cripples this first batch of Intel iBooks such that they won't seem to blow the PowerBooks away in an effort to not cannibalize PowerBook sales - that would be just plain stupid.
I think the ibook will be updated before the PB as well. I´m sure Apple is willing to take a hit in PB sale, they might not even have that many left
...And Apple is more competitive (in terms of market share) with other companies in the notebook area. It only makes sense to update them first.~Shard~ said:I think you will indeed be waiting a while.
1) Apple will be focusing on the portables first, as they are in the most need of improvement
2) Apple will be focusing on getting rid of the G4 machines first and transitioning those to Intel. There is nothing wrong with the G5s and no immediate need to change them
3) There is a lot of room for the G5 iMac to grow. The current machines are fast, and if Apple threw a 970MP in them, they would last a long time without needing an update
4) on the desktop side of things, Apple is focusing on Conroe and Woodcrest. This is why the PowerMac will not go Intel until 2007, and why the iMac might be in the same boat
I look for an Intel iMac later in 2006. My advice to you is don't hold your breath!
yoak said:I think the ibook will be updated before the PB as well. I´m sure Apple is willing to take a hit in PB sale, they might not even have that many left
It's all a mater of timing. In a perfect world (as Jobs would see it) the single core Yonahs would have been available at the same time as the dual core Yonahs. Then, he could have slapped the single cores into the iBooks and the dual cores into the PowerBooks. Unfortunately, the single cores are not going to be released for a little while yet. So Apple has to work with what they have, and if it makes the most sense to update the iBooks first, then so be it. The PowerBooks will follow shortly thereafter regardless (presumably), so it isn't really that big of a deal.
Dont Hurt Me said:Imac is ready for Yonah for all practical purposes. It would be easy for Apple to pop in a Yonah in iMac. Also iMac is maxed out with G5 at the moment thats why it got a .1 ghz boost
Huh . . I don't know. I don't think Apple is going to Yonahize anything other then the low end desktops (Mac Mini) and eventually all of their laptops. (Single core for the iBooks.) Yonah is a good CPU but it falls short on FP intensive apps like video encoding and such. Its not BAD but to put it another way. The Pentium D which by most accounts is a craptastic implementation of dual cores kicks the snot out of Yonah in this preview benchmark of video encoding. IMHO I don't expect the iMac until this Fall. Just in time for back to school sales. . . Timing is everything.
Why have two laptop lines?
The distinction between powerbooks and ibooks used to be G3/G4. Now that they'll all have completely new processors, why bother distinguishing them. We could see an entirely new line of laptop which will run from the low end to the high end. These new iBooks could replace both the current i and Powerbooks which would all be discontinued. Then in 6 months when the new processors arrive they just add faster models to the lineup and shunt the slowest one off the shelf.
The distinction between powerbooks and ibooks used to be G3/G4. Now that they'll all have completely new processors, why bother distinguishing them. We could see an entirely new line of laptop which will run from the low end to the high end. These new iBooks could replace both the current i and Powerbooks which would all be discontinued. Then in 6 months when the new processors arrive they just add faster models to the lineup and shunt the slowest one off the shelf.
"Intel is expected to launch the dual-core version of Yonah -- its new notebook processor -- in January. Low-votage versions are expected to come in at 1.5GHz, 1.66GHz and 1.83GHz speeds, while the "performance" version will ship at 1.66GHz, 1.83GHz, 2.0GHz and 2.16GHz speeds."
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Whats votage when its at home?
970mp isnt going in iMac be assured, Yonah will. Single Cores for the Consumer, Duals,Quads for the pro's. This is going to be a great year and i wouldnt put it past Apple to have all machines Intel by the end of 2006.~Shard~ said:
You guys are too hopeful, I think. Apple has made an effort to be more price competitive with the other PC providers. It's the one of the big reasons they moved to Intel. You guys keep thinking for the fancy - Yonah, this, dual-core that. Let me tell you, we'll see the iBook will debut with a Celeron M processor at a ~$700 price range. That's what Apple needs to do to win market share, and I don't see why they'd even bother with anything better for their iBooks.
And you all here on this thread have proven the point as well - if they release an iBook with spectacular performance, they are killing their own sales of a higher-end line. Most of this thread, has in fact, proven the confusion that might result if Apple doesn't pair performance and pricing in a logical way for consumers. Segmentation is key, in order to attract customers at different price ranges. What better way than to cripple the iBook a bit, lower the price to engage the wider audience, and call it a day.
Now, you and I might scoff at the Celeron M, but do you think most of the buyers of the new iBook - Dad, Mom and Grandparents with the lower price - would even understand. Add that to the fact that Apple will probably not participate with the Intel advertising stipend (putting Celeron M stickers on their machines), and you have a certain win situation for Apple.
And you all here on this thread have proven the point as well - if they release an iBook with spectacular performance, they are killing their own sales of a higher-end line. Most of this thread, has in fact, proven the confusion that might result if Apple doesn't pair performance and pricing in a logical way for consumers. Segmentation is key, in order to attract customers at different price ranges. What better way than to cripple the iBook a bit, lower the price to engage the wider audience, and call it a day.
Now, you and I might scoff at the Celeron M, but do you think most of the buyers of the new iBook - Dad, Mom and Grandparents with the lower price - would even understand. Add that to the fact that Apple will probably not participate with the Intel advertising stipend (putting Celeron M stickers on their machines), and you have a certain win situation for Apple.
2 additional indications that the rumors might be true
I suspect that this makes the rumors sound more credible..
1) Apple UK have been sending out invitations to selected people in the UK to join them for a live webcast of Steve Job's address at BBC television centre in White City. If I remember rightly, last time this happened was when the move to Intel was announced, people would be very disappointed if there wasn't a major announcement....
2) In the run up to X-Mas Apple UK have been selling off a lot of refurbished G4 notebooks, both iBooks and PowerBooks.. normally their refurbished online store only opens for a day a week but now its open 24/7 with loads of those laptops for sale.
Ah, this will be a Happy New Year!
I suspect that this makes the rumors sound more credible..
1) Apple UK have been sending out invitations to selected people in the UK to join them for a live webcast of Steve Job's address at BBC television centre in White City. If I remember rightly, last time this happened was when the move to Intel was announced, people would be very disappointed if there wasn't a major announcement....
2) In the run up to X-Mas Apple UK have been selling off a lot of refurbished G4 notebooks, both iBooks and PowerBooks.. normally their refurbished online store only opens for a day a week but now its open 24/7 with loads of those laptops for sale.
Ah, this will be a Happy New Year!
The iBook will probably be Rob's B-Day present assuming he can dual boot Windows and OS X - he needs Windows for mortgage software.
Yes, iGary just talked about buying an Intel product without throwing up in his mouth a little bit.
Yes, iGary just talked about buying an Intel product without throwing up in his mouth a little bit.