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Where are all the people who were getting overly zealous over the prospect of G4s in the iBook? You probably won't even see the G4 in the iBook until 2003, if then.
I have a 667 TiPB and the Video card is the same one, nice. Also my 667 TiPB has only 256k L2 cache. Its nice to see that the iBook is gaining some good solid features that were top of the line less than a year ago.
I have a 667 TiPB and the Video card is the same one, nice. Also my 667 TiPB has only 256k L2 cache. Its nice to see that the iBook is gaining some good solid features that were top of the line less than a year ago.
Re: Graphics sham
How about doing everyone a favor and confirm your specs before you post. Yes, that is a Radeon Mobility chip, not a Rage 128, and don't friggin worry about QE. My iBook 600 with an 8 meg video card is pluggin and chuggin with 10.2 WWDC Preview.
How about doing everyone a favor and confirm your specs before you post. Yes, that is a Radeon Mobility chip, not a Rage 128, and don't friggin worry about QE. My iBook 600 with an 8 meg video card is pluggin and chuggin with 10.2 WWDC Preview.
Originally posted by sluthy
Come on, in the time I took to type the first post, two people got in.
why is it that important to have been the first person to post on this??
anyway...I like the new specs...
if they were a bit faster, I'd consider letting go of my TiBook...
I'm here.
OK, I guess we won't see that until at least the next update. G4 iBooks at MWNY!
I ready to take my flogging NOW.
BTW, I still don't understand why Apple is releasing this update. OS X is being pushed like crazy and they put out an update with the G3. I guess they would have used this G3 in the iMac/eMac, but IBM didn't have them ready. Oh wait, you still need the G4 for the SuperDrive, but that doesn't explain the eMac.
I'm out of the Apple speculation business on account of bad prognostication.
Yeah, I admit that I got overly zealous. But I really wanted to believe that they were gonna put a G4 into the iBook.
OK, I guess we won't see that until at least the next update. G4 iBooks at MWNY!
I ready to take my flogging NOW.
BTW, I still don't understand why Apple is releasing this update. OS X is being pushed like crazy and they put out an update with the G3. I guess they would have used this G3 in the iMac/eMac, but IBM didn't have them ready. Oh wait, you still need the G4 for the SuperDrive, but that doesn't explain the eMac.
I'm out of the Apple speculation business on account of bad prognostication.
Could just be the 750FX (Sahara G3).
According to the IBM website...
"Highlights:
*Delivers 600MHz to 1GHz
performance...
*512KB of internal L2 cache can
lower system cost, simplify
design, and eliminate the system
constraints of external memory"
That all sounds right...
Then there is another interesting note:
"*Up to 200MHz processor bus
increases system bandwidth"
It would be nice if future releases take advantage of this...
EDIT> link didn't copy correctly. Here it is:
http://www-3.ibm.com/chips/techlib/techlib.nsf/techdocs/2FF4861D6755A6CA87256BB1006B1DE6/$file/PPC750FX_PB.PDF
According to the IBM website...
"Highlights:
*Delivers 600MHz to 1GHz
performance...
*512KB of internal L2 cache can
lower system cost, simplify
design, and eliminate the system
constraints of external memory"
That all sounds right...
Then there is another interesting note:
"*Up to 200MHz processor bus
increases system bandwidth"
It would be nice if future releases take advantage of this...
EDIT> link didn't copy correctly. Here it is:
http://www-3.ibm.com/chips/techlib/techlib.nsf/techdocs/2FF4861D6755A6CA87256BB1006B1DE6/$file/PPC750FX_PB.PDF
Re: Re: Graphics sham
Okay, chill. So I got confused, no need to talk like that!
If you remember in the past Apple UK have had machines with different specs than the US. It hit a nerve, ok?
So should I expect 10.2 to run okay on my friends iBook 500? Is it faster than 10.1?
Okay, chill. So I got confused, no need to talk like that!
If you remember in the past Apple UK have had machines with different specs than the US. It hit a nerve, ok?
So should I expect 10.2 to run okay on my friends iBook 500? Is it faster than 10.1?
10.2
From all acconts, both here and on other sites, 10.2 is running great on G3s. ANd when the update is released, it should bebetter than the preview release. I think that everyone is a little hung up on QE. Sure, it sounds great, but not neccesary for all the improvements. We'll see. I'm going to put a new card in my tower, probably an Nvidia, with at least 64 mgs on it. Then I'll start from boot with my pismo next to it. IF the tower blows out the book, so be it, the book still a great comp.
From all acconts, both here and on other sites, 10.2 is running great on G3s. ANd when the update is released, it should bebetter than the preview release. I think that everyone is a little hung up on QE. Sure, it sounds great, but not neccesary for all the improvements. We'll see. I'm going to put a new card in my tower, probably an Nvidia, with at least 64 mgs on it. Then I'll start from boot with my pismo next to it. IF the tower blows out the book, so be it, the book still a great comp.
mine's coming next Monday, but
I'm hoping the chip is IBM's Sahara.
Has anyone gotten the link to the new vid port to work? It's between the polycarbonate and iDisk images on the right side.
http://www.apple.com/ibook/
I'm hoping the chip is IBM's Sahara.
Has anyone gotten the link to the new vid port to work? It's between the polycarbonate and iDisk images on the right side.
http://www.apple.com/ibook/
Goto...sorry I was so harsh, but it was the "typical" remark that set me off. If your friend has an iBook 500 with 256 megs or more, then yes, it will run better than it does on 10.1
Boomba,
QE needs 32 for optimum performance. With 16 megs of video memory in the new iBook, QE will work. Heck it is working on my iBook, and I only have 8 megs.
Ftaok,
Dude, the G3 is still a great processor for the consumer laptops! I want everyone to listen right now really closely.... My iBook 600 runs 10.2 as fast as a G4 800 runs 10.1. There, did you get that? So if an 800 mhz G4 is fast enough in 10.1, which I think we can all agree that it is, then believe me, for surfing, writing document, playing MP3's the iBook is perfect with a G3. Would I like a G4 in it? Well, does a cat have a climbing gear?
Boomba,
QE needs 32 for optimum performance. With 16 megs of video memory in the new iBook, QE will work. Heck it is working on my iBook, and I only have 8 megs.
Ftaok,
Dude, the G3 is still a great processor for the consumer laptops! I want everyone to listen right now really closely.... My iBook 600 runs 10.2 as fast as a G4 800 runs 10.1. There, did you get that? So if an 800 mhz G4 is fast enough in 10.1, which I think we can all agree that it is, then believe me, for surfing, writing document, playing MP3's the iBook is perfect with a G3. Would I like a G4 in it? Well, does a cat have a climbing gear?
Re: mine's coming next Monday, but
I can't get it to work either, but that is not a new port, it is the same one that has been on the iBook since it was revised from the clamshell.
I can't get it to work either, but that is not a new port, it is the same one that has been on the iBook since it was revised from the clamshell.
Welcome
After reading posts on macrumors for a long time, I decided to bite the bullet and join myself. There are just too many good one-liners out there to ignore!
Anyway, I've been holding out for an iBook, wagering on new machines. I prefer to have a machine at least 3 months before the Smithsonian comes calling. I'm curious how close performance-wide to a G4 the Sahara will be (if this is in fact the Sahara). I can't wait to see benchmarks with other G3 and G4 chips.
Do we call this a G3.5?
After reading posts on macrumors for a long time, I decided to bite the bullet and join myself. There are just too many good one-liners out there to ignore!
Anyway, I've been holding out for an iBook, wagering on new machines. I prefer to have a machine at least 3 months before the Smithsonian comes calling. I'm curious how close performance-wide to a G4 the Sahara will be (if this is in fact the Sahara). I can't wait to see benchmarks with other G3 and G4 chips.
Do we call this a G3.5?
Re: 512k, or 256k L2?
Think about this for a minute... 512k L2 cache (on chip), 256MB SDRAM = memory chips.
See the spec's below, which anyone with two living brain cells will be able to figure out (does that exclude you Dunepilot??)
[moderator note: don't be mean ]
600-MHz or 700-MHz PowerPC G3 processor with 512K on-chip level 2 cache running at full processor speed
100 MHZ system bus
One of the following memory configurations:
128MB of SDRAM built in
256MB of SDRAM (128MB built in and 128MB in SO-DIMM slot)Single 1.25-inch standard SO-DIMM slot (3.3V) supports up to 512MB SO-DIMM for a total of 640MB of SDRAM
Think about this for a minute... 512k L2 cache (on chip), 256MB SDRAM = memory chips.
See the spec's below, which anyone with two living brain cells will be able to figure out (does that exclude you Dunepilot??)
[moderator note: don't be mean ]
600-MHz or 700-MHz PowerPC G3 processor with 512K on-chip level 2 cache running at full processor speed
100 MHZ system bus
One of the following memory configurations:
128MB of SDRAM built in
256MB of SDRAM (128MB built in and 128MB in SO-DIMM slot)Single 1.25-inch standard SO-DIMM slot (3.3V) supports up to 512MB SO-DIMM for a total of 640MB of SDRAM
Welcome jamesbhai!
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The new specs look pretty good, with the new Sahara chips and stuff... but that isn't gonna make it faster than my G4 iMac is it!?
Well, I guess Apple made a good, solid, quiet move on this one. GO APPLE!
irmongoose
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The new specs look pretty good, with the new Sahara chips and stuff... but that isn't gonna make it faster than my G4 iMac is it!?
Well, I guess Apple made a good, solid, quiet move on this one. GO APPLE!
irmongoose
Re: Re: mine's coming next Monday, but
it seems apple have rushed the job a little, and not quite double-checked everything before going public. The link from the video-out port is ~/spec.html. I suspect that's a typing error, and is supposed to be ~/specs.html.
it seems apple have rushed the job a little, and not quite double-checked everything before going public. The link from the video-out port is ~/spec.html. I suspect that's a typing error, and is supposed to be ~/specs.html.
Sahara vs G4, tradeoffs
welcome jamesbhai.
I bit the bullet and left my backorder on confirmed status with Apple, so I'm getting mine next Monday, or Tuesday, or...
I'm hoping the beefed up L2cache will help it keep it out of the Smithsonian for a little longer than I originally expected.
But, if there is an IBM Sahara chip in it, the .13micron SOI process only sucks 3.6watts at 800mhz! In real terms that could mean no heat on your thighs and a retirement of the instinct to look for an outlet everytime you enter a room.
welcome jamesbhai.
I bit the bullet and left my backorder on confirmed status with Apple, so I'm getting mine next Monday, or Tuesday, or...
I'm hoping the beefed up L2cache will help it keep it out of the Smithsonian for a little longer than I originally expected.
But, if there is an IBM Sahara chip in it, the .13micron SOI process only sucks 3.6watts at 800mhz! In real terms that could mean no heat on your thighs and a retirement of the instinct to look for an outlet everytime you enter a room.
it's a british thing!
Cool, and the "typical" remark was a feared hark back to Apple UK of the last few years.
They have a really hard job hear in the UK, and haven't really done too well in recent years (snubbing expos/no ads etc), and I made the comment as I still have a little fear that it will stop getting better as it is now.
I wish Apple UK the best, don't get me wrong - I need them to be, I have computers to buy!!!!!
out.
Originally posted by Backtothemac
Goto...sorry I was so harsh, but it was the "typical" remark that set me off. If your friend has an iBook 500 with 256 megs or more, then yes, it will run better than it does on 10.1
Cool, and the "typical" remark was a feared hark back to Apple UK of the last few years.
They have a really hard job hear in the UK, and haven't really done too well in recent years (snubbing expos/no ads etc), and I made the comment as I still have a little fear that it will stop getting better as it is now.
I wish Apple UK the best, don't get me wrong - I need them to be, I have computers to buy!!!!!
out.
750fx
Ok, I'm confused.
The link here says: IBM 750fx G4 PDF - 512k L2 cache G3. 600-1ghz speeds.
The 750fx is not a G4 is it? I thought we were talking about the Sahara G3's
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Also, in the IBM PDF that thing links, did anyone notice the side bar that says:
Up to 200 MHz processor bus increases system bandwith
Interesting. If I'm reading that right, and if IBM would only start producing G4's, and if they could slap some kind of DDR support on it (real DDR into the G4, the X-Serve's implementation is still yet to be seen) we'd be looking at up to 4GB of DDR RAM on a 200MHz FSB - giving us 400MHz-like RAM speeds! (Lot of "if's" in that ,eh?!?!)
Ok, I'm confused.
The link here says: IBM 750fx G4 PDF - 512k L2 cache G3. 600-1ghz speeds.
The 750fx is not a G4 is it? I thought we were talking about the Sahara G3's
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Also, in the IBM PDF that thing links, did anyone notice the side bar that says:
Up to 200 MHz processor bus increases system bandwith
Interesting. If I'm reading that right, and if IBM would only start producing G4's, and if they could slap some kind of DDR support on it (real DDR into the G4, the X-Serve's implementation is still yet to be seen) we'd be looking at up to 4GB of DDR RAM on a 200MHz FSB - giving us 400MHz-like RAM speeds! (Lot of "if's" in that ,eh?!?!)
no heat
My only complaint with the pismo is the heat. Sure its a little big, but I was lugging around brick sized laptops at one point, so what?
The G3 makes perfect since if te power and heat needs are low. One of Apple's greatest advantages in the notebook market is battery life. Give me seven hours of live time, and make the thing cold to the touch, ice cold, as it were.
My only complaint with the pismo is the heat. Sure its a little big, but I was lugging around brick sized laptops at one point, so what?
The G3 makes perfect since if te power and heat needs are low. One of Apple's greatest advantages in the notebook market is battery life. Give me seven hours of live time, and make the thing cold to the touch, ice cold, as it were.
Re: Re: First one in!
AGP is required. Supported chip is required.
blakespot
32MB is recommended. Not required.
AGP is required. Supported chip is required.
blakespot
Readng the specs of the 750FX, that's quite a little chip. This should be quite a snappy Mac, Quartz Extreme aside. Good time to buy!
blakespot
blakespot