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Re: Re: 512k, or 256k L2?

Originally posted by AlphaTech


Think about this for a minute... 512k L2 cache (on chip), 256MB SDRAM = memory chips.

See the spec's below, which anyone with two living brain cells will be able to figure out (does that exclude you Dunepilot??)

In case you missed the whole rest of the thread, there was a typo up on the apple site that incorrectly stated the iBook came with 256k of L2 cache, and Dunepilot was rightly confused by this as in other places on apple's site it stated 512. This has since been corrected.

Since you're so quick on the trigger with the insults, one would hope you would be quick on the trigger with the apology that Dunepilot deserves.
 
35% faster

According to the press release, these new iBooks are up to 35% faster than prev. models. A straight jump from 600 to 700 MHz would normally cause a 16% speed increase. I'm not sure how much the extra cache improves performace, but it could just as well be an all new G3 inside the new iBook. Maybe Sahara, as serveral has suggested. Has anyone (who has access to Apple Service Provider pages) seen an Apple tech spec on the new models?
 
The new specs in the Apple Store show "CD-RW DVD-ROM" for the 12" specs and "Combo Drive" for the 14". What's the difference?? That's confusing.
 
Originally posted by nero007
From what I understand QE isn't implemented yet on the current build of Jaguar. But, it will work with video cards less than 32mb. 32 is just optimal.

You heard incorrectly, it's in there.
 
Re: Re: 512k, or 256k L2?

Originally posted by AlphaTech


Think about this for a minute... 512k L2 cache (on chip), 256MB SDRAM = memory chips.

See the spec's below, which anyone with two living brain cells will be able to figure out (does that exclude you Dunepilot??)

600-MHz or 700-MHz PowerPC G3 processor with 512K on-chip level 2 cache running at full processor speed
100 MHZ system bus
One of the following memory configurations:
— 128MB of SDRAM built in
— 256MB of SDRAM (128MB built in and 128MB in SO-DIMM slot)Single 1.25-inch standard SO-DIMM slot (3.3V) supports up to 512MB SO-DIMM for a total of 640MB of SDRAM

Well done, Alphatech, you once again show your arrogant nature for all the world to see. Thanks wryclachan for jumping to my defence. I seem to see something of this sort of nature posted by Alphatech once every couple of days.

How about you show that you have 2 brain cells for once, and check before you go trying to shoot me down. If you've ever bothered to read any of my posts before, you'll note that I'm not so green to tech specs as to confuse level 2 cache with main SDRAM.

And, as for having 2 brain cells, I'm only at one of the best universities in the world, about to start my finals exams tomorrow. I guess I can content myself that one day I'll be earning a lot more money than alphatech...
 
Re: Re: 750fx

Originally posted by arn


my mistake... it's a G3. Typo... I corrected it.

arn
Darn - I was tripping over myself to open that link when I saw it. If only IBM could/would get into G4 manfacturing!:rolleyes:
 
Re: Re: Re: 512k, or 256k L2?

Originally posted by Dunepilot


Well done, Alphatech, you once again show your arrogant nature for all the world to see. Thanks wryclachan for jumping to my defence. I seem to see something of this sort of nature posted by Alphatech once every couple of days.

How about you show that you have 2 brain cells for once, and check before you go trying to shoot me down. If you've ever bothered to read any of my posts before, you'll note that I'm not so green to tech specs as to confuse level 2 cache with main SDRAM.

And, as for having 2 brain cells, I'm only at one of the best universities in the world, about to start my finals exams tomorrow. I guess I can content myself that one day I'll be earning a lot more money than alphatech...

Hey, Hey. There is no reason to insite a flamewar. There was an honest mistake on your part, and a reaction to an apparent slightly insulting post on your part. There is no reason to egg it on, or else we all might end up with 100 posts today. Lets keep the thread on topic please.

Now, you guys kiss an make up ;)
 
cache??

some pages still say it has 256Kb chache while others say 512Kb

Feel the power
Turbocharged with a fast 700MHz PowerPC G3 processor, 256k on-chip cache running at full processor speed, a 100MHz system bus and 256MB of SDRAM, the 14.1-inch screen iBook packs some serious power. Not to be outdone, the 12.1-inch-screen iBook gives you a choice of 600MHz or 700MHz PowerPC G3 processors, a system bus speed running at 100MHz, and 128MB of SDRAM. All models are expandable up to 640MB of RAM, and come with the ATI Mobility Radeon graphics accelerator with 16MB of dedicated memory and AGP 2X support for gorgeous 3D graphics.
Feel the power
Turbocharged with a fast 700MHz PowerPC G3 processor, 256K on-chip cache running at full processor speed, a 100MHz system bus and 256MB of SDRAM, the 14.1-inch screen iBook packs some serious power. Not to be outdone, the 12.1-inch-screen iBook gives you a choice of 600MHz or 700MHz PowerPC G3 processors, a system bus speed running at 100MHz, and 128MB of SDRAM. All models are expandable up to 640MB of RAM, and come with the ATI Mobility Radeon graphics accelerator with 16MB of dedicated memory and AGP 2X support for gorgeous 3D graphics.

confusing :confused: i got this from Apple UK says the same thing on Apple US are they talking about the L1 cache?? the specs page says

600-MHz or 700-MHz PowerPC G3 processor with 512K on-chip level 2 cache running at full processor speed

maybe it's a mistake?? oh well.. it's still really really cool.. should i get it and retire my pismo?? and make the new iBook my main computer?? or should I wait?? I really love my pismo :) i think I'll wait and see if i have enough money after summer...

THANK YOU
MaT
 
Re: cache??

Originally posted by Longey Nowze
some pages still say it has 256Kb chache while others say 512Kb
confusing :confused: i got this from Apple UK says the same thing on Apple US are they talking about the L1 cache?? the specs page says

It's a typo on the english/american pages. If you go to http://www.apple.com/no/ibook/ you'll see it states 512k L2 cache on all pages. And yes, it will be fast. 35% faster (see my prev post). :D

Hope this clear things up a bit :) ;)
 
14" CD-ROM!!!

Why would Apple even offer their premium 14" iBook with such a drive?

I love the new specs. Who needs a G4?! If I didn't need a wintel laptop for school, I'd be a 700Mhz 12" Combo-Drive owner. They're the perfect size and weight, and have great performance.

However, I do wish the screen resolution was larger. My HP laptop has a resolution of 1400x1050 which is just the right size. I understand that a 12" screen at this resolution would make everything a little too small, but something more than 1024x768 would be nice.

Can't wait for more announcements from Apple--new G4's and Jaguar.
 
Re: Re: Re: Re: 512k, or 256k L2?

Originally posted by Backtothemac


Hey, Hey. There is no reason to insite a flamewar. There was an honest mistake on your part, and a reaction to an apparent slightly insulting post on your part. There is no reason to egg it on, or else we all might end up with 100 posts today. Lets keep the thread on topic please.

Now, you guys kiss an make up ;)

But that's not why I made that reply. there was no mistake on my part. I was merely pointing out a discrepancy on Apple's site, and wondering whether we really would be getting 512k level 2 cache.

What I object to is Alphatech's insulting, condescending manner. I don't post very often, but I check these forums throughout the day, and he seems to spend an inordinate amount of time either attacking other people's posts, or going on about how much he loves chrome, and how he wants a chrome powerbook.

Ultimately, I'm not posting to incite any kind of flame war, but I'm not going to take criticism of a post of mine if it hasn't been read properly.

Still, I appreciate your efforts at pacifism;)
 
Re: Re: Re: 512k, or 256k L2?

Originally posted by wrylachlan
Since you're so quick on the trigger with the insults, one would hope you would be quick on the trigger with the apology that Dunepilot deserves.

Yes, one would hope. You'll hope in vain, of course, but hope is a good thing, nonetheless.
 
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: 512k, or 256k L2?

Originally posted by Dunepilot
[...] going on about how much he loves chrome, and how he wants a chrome powerbook.
Yes, well, you know what they say about those attracted to shiny things... I think this qualifies as independent confirmation.
 
G3.5

According to the Cambridgeside Apple store, the chip in the iBook is manufactured by Motorola and nothing more than an additional 100MHZ of processing speed. They add the L2 cache increase with the 100MHZ to get what is probably the 35% increase in speed. I'm not sure that this matters to consumer users, but I'd sure like to know before I buy one this week.

I had to wait to see a store rep. because the people ahead of me were already snapping up a 14". And I thought I was quick with the plastic. :D Isn't it nice to be able to get the latest and greatest the day it's announced? Thank you, Apple Stores!
 
Up to 35% faster...

If Apple isn't feeding us a line of bs this is going to be one quick little computer. I have a 600 right now and it is quick, but this sounds a lot faster. I think that going to this new and improved G3 chip may have been a very smart move for Apple. It looks like it does not draw a lot of power and should run quite cool. If it does prove to run up to 35% faster then most people will be glad that Apple took this route with the iBook then putting an older, more energy consuming G4 that only runs at 500 or 550 MHz. It makes sence considering what market Apple is going after with this.
 
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: 512k, or 256k L2?

Originally posted by IndyGopher

Yes, well, you know what they say about those attracted to shiny things... I think this qualifies as independent confirmation.

Hey, this thing involved him and Alpha. There is no reason for you come stick your nose in it :mad:

Just lets keep the thread on topic. Period that is the point. You don't like Alpha, the PM him and tell him. The thread is not the place to insite a riot. Just let he and Alpha work it out. Knowing Alpha, he would have said that he was wrong, but this....

Man, you are just pulling the trigger on the pie.

Look out for mischief to join in on this one, he, he.
 
the interesting thing about this upgrade is... what a hell is steve gonna show at mwnyc?! not the xserve, no new powerbooks, no new ibooks, barely any new imacs since they can barely ship the new one...

/me hold onto his beloved dual 1ghz and wait for an explotion
 
mwny

It looks like MWNY will be a showcase for Jaguar and XServer. If it is as truly revolultionary as Apple's PR department would have us believe, all the applications in there will be on display as well as the speed of Quartz Extreme. Remember, while developers saw a demo, most people are relegated to pics and text.

Hopefully, dual 1.2 or 1.4 Towers will be released. And though they will only be six months new, perhaps a speed-bumped iMac will surface. I think it is doubtful, but a public showing of XServer and Jaguar with more powerful Towers might suffice for NY. Who knows, maybe Jaguar will have some more updated software (i.e. iTunes or ...) that people aren't talking about yet.
 
Originally posted by kidtronix
the interesting thing about this upgrade is... what a hell is steve gonna show at mwnyc?! not the xserve, no new powerbooks, no new ibooks, barely any new imacs since they can barely ship the new one...


Guess he'll just have to show the set top box for the boob tube then, watches TV so you don't have to....
 
Re: 35% faster

Originally posted by crassusad44
According to the press release, these new iBooks are up to 35% faster than prev. models. A straight jump from 600 to 700 MHz would normally cause a 16% speed increase. I'm not sure how much the extra cache improves performace, but it could just as well be an all new G3 inside the new iBook. Maybe Sahara, as serveral has suggested. Has anyone (who has access to Apple Service Provider pages) seen an Apple tech spec on the new models?
If it has 512K L2 cache on-chip (which it does) then it is Sahara.


blakespot
 
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: 512k, or 256k L2?

Originally posted by Backtothemac

Just lets keep the thread on topic. Period that is the point.

Yes, B2TM is trying to earn his Moderator Badge, lots of action today! Seesh, too much. Why can't we all just get along?

MWNY is obviously going to be the showcase for the new desktop, which is about time. But this new iBook has a real appeal, if I already didn't have a TiPB, I'd seriously consider it. Maybe I'll get it for my wife, now there's a thought. Though I don't think she'd be joining the forums as MrsDukestreet, it would still be a coup to get her on a mac.
 
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