New iMac and Magic Accessories Tidbits: 'Then and Now', Automatic Pairing, Fast Charging and More

woody74 said:
If rules not allowing you to instal OS on other hardware got overturned in the courts Apple would be screwed.
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What in the world are you talking about?

Are courts also now 'making rules' that the Playstation OS cannot be installed on an Xbox, and a Samsung TV OS cannot be installed on an LG TV?

You can try to do whatever you want - but Sony won't support your installing their OS on Xbox, and Samsung won't support your installing their TV OS on a LG TV, same as Apple won't support your installing their OS on hardware they don't write drivers for.

This has nothing to do with 'courts'
 
I can feel it in mah bones that a redesign of the iMac is coming next year, so it would pain me to get this for some reason and then have a radically different new one come out 9 months later.

They will probably change the mouse to have the port in front also by then in a silent update.

Unless you absolutely need THIS iMac RIGHT NOW, I'd wait.
 
And for $180 you can "upgrade" to the 27" Retina iMac with similar i5 processor but gain the faster hard drive and dedicated video card both not offered as upgrades in the 21" Retina. Why $180 vs $300 on straight retail? The 21" must be originally built with the 16 GB and is a $200 option, but is user up-gradable on the 27" to 16GB or higher, with 16GB for Mac available for around $80. Other upgrades to equivalent drives are the same price so the cost difference doesn't adjust, but the stock 7200 drive in the 27" isn't offered as an upgrade on the 21", forcing 'equivalent' with fusion or ssd.

That raises the question...for $180, why buy a 21"?
 
Synopsis of the Magic Keyboard:
no backlit keys, white keys.

for anyone eagerly waiting for this and is now disappointed, this is still a viable alternative:
http://www.logitech.com/en-us/product/illuminated-keyboard-for-mac-ipad-iphone

also this fugly but still, for the price of 1/3 of apples magic keyboard
http://www.logitech.com/en-us/product/multi-device-keyboard-k380?WT.ac=HPB1-CTA3-k380

synopsis of the Magic Mouse 2:
still no *optional* wireless charging, you can't even enable it with third party accessories like you can on the first iteration. no force touch.

Magic Trackpad 2:
the only thing that's really improved. And, the price is "improved" as well...
 
Karma*Police said:
Wow, so much whining over a 5400rpm drive. And I thought Apple users understood that it's not always about specs.

Here's a YouTube video that should explain why 7200 drives aren't always faster and how 5400 drives aren't without its benefits...
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They should not bother with any hard drive at all for 1800€. Their entire lineup should be PCIe flash storage only, with optional fusion drives for those who want big internal storage.
 
Ploki said:
Synopsis of the Magic Keyboard:
no backlit keys, white keys.

for anyone eagerly waiting for this and is now disappointed, this is still a viable alternative:
http://www.logitech.com/en-us/product/illuminated-keyboard-for-mac-ipad-iphone

also this fugly but still, for the price of 1/3 of apples magic keyboard
http://www.logitech.com/en-us/product/multi-device-keyboard-k380?WT.ac=HPB1-CTA3-k380

synopsis of the Magic Mouse 2:
still no *optional* wireless charging, you can't even enable it with third party accessories like you can on the first iteration. no force touch.

Magic Trackpad 2:
the only thing that's really improved. And, the price is "improved" as well...
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hah, i was just about to post about the same stuff!
Might as well add this http://www.logitech.com/en-us/product/mx-anywhere2?crid=7
Same price as the magic mouse 2. Of course its mechanical, but its wireless, can charge while using it and works on all surfaces including glass.
 
OneZweiThree said:
In Germany, going from 1TB Hard drive to 1TB Fusion is 120€! 120€!!!!! For 24GB of flash memory!!!! 120 f****n Euros!!!! Tim Cook is crazy. He is putting user experience behind margins in almost every product....
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Germany gets ripped off for HDTV's also. A German friend took me to a large TV store and I could not believe the prices they charge. The big box stores were no better. I know they use a different broadcast system than us but TV' s were double or more what they would charge in the US because of smaller volume sold ( no economy of scale). I also wonder if they use the old fair trade pricing we got rid of.
 
AleXXXa said:
Changing batteries takes 1 or 2 minutes every few weeks/months.
Integrating the battery is stupid. Once the battery is old and can't hold a charge you'll have to buy another keyboard/mouse.
Planned obsolescence at its best.
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This might hurt, because it is logical and not conspiracy nonsense.

Cellphone batteries are made of the same material and can last 3-4 years of daily cycles before they deteriorate in performance. At the same rate this keyboard battery will perform at top level for 10-20 years before it will lose efficiency.

I know it is popular to think "planned obsolescence" every time Apple updates a product, but this is not it.
 
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I have to turn the Magic Mouse 2 upside-down to charge it? Brilliant design, outstanding usability, Apple!

My god! What is happing to Apple! It's getting worse with every product update. Signs of a sinking ship? :confused:
 
insomniac86 said:
hah, i was just about to post about the same stuff!
Might as well add this http://www.logitech.com/en-us/product/mx-anywhere2?crid=7
Same price as the magic mouse 2. Of course its mechanical, but its wireless, can charge while using it and works on all surfaces including glass.
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Looks like a nice mouse! I'm too used to scrolling with the track surface of magic though.
so i wonder, how this works:
http://www.logitech.com/en-us/product/ultrathin-touch-mouse-t631?crid=7

and you can have it in black, to complement your black keys on a macbook pro.
for 10$ less.

its small though, but its wide.

I really wish they abandoned "click" and implement force-touch as the primary "click" mechanism.

20131017ultrathin.3.jpg
 
MagnusVonMagnum said:
Including a 24GB SSD in the Fusion drives to save money (when SSDs are cheaper than ever and therefore a Fusion drive should have MORE storage on the SSD side, not less) SAYS IT ALL. Apple is no longer about innovation and putting the best products into the hands of the people so they can be creative and do great things (Steve Jobs' mission) and now about one thing and one thing only and that is PROFITS. (see stock buybacks, splits and dividends; things Jobs never supported; see the lack of truly state-of-the-art machines we saw 5-7 years ago replaced by "pretty" machines with outdated hardware like an iMac 5k with a 5400 RPM hard drive, soldered in memory and a GPU that can barely get out of its own way for prices that are comparable to an entry-level Mac Pro from back then! And that just scratches the surface of the negative changes in Apple).

I think Steve Jobs picked the wrong guy to take over as CEO when he died. Tim Cook is a business man, not a technical innovator and Jony Ive is an ego-maniac that is too short-sighted to see the forest for the trees these days. Apple was a wholly different creature under Steve Jobs and Scott Forestall. It's getting to the point where I don't recognize the company any longer and I'm having serious doubts about whether my next computer (desktop or notebook) will be from Apple. I love Logic Pro and I loved the lack of Malware, but that only gets you so far (i.e. as long as my old MBP runs Logic fine, I can just upgrade its drive and hold onto it for Logic).
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Tim is a supply chain genius. However, he does not understand giving back a $30 bone to a consumer ie. a small real (not toy ) SSD hard drive upgrade over slow HDD on a 1500 dollar mac or 32 ram in a base phone instead of 16 on a 800 dollar phone, people feel like they got a good deal and go away happy. I used to give small gifts to my real estate customers even a 2 dollar pack of cigerettes in the old days to obligate people. It works. That is why when you list a home for sale you allow for the buyer to ask for maybe 5 percent off so he feels like he got such a deal. (I sold real estate 40 years ago to pay for college.)

It is better to give the customer that $30 bone than to have to spend it on advertising constantly on the TV to try to win him back after he bought something else.

Jony an apparent weight lifter who lifts for bulk but has a secret desire to be exceedingly thin and it manifests itself in all his thin products. If Apple made a second phone 6s the thickness of the 5 with a battery twice its size it would outsell the thin one hands down. People just want to plug in their phone only at bed time and have it run 18 hours. Further, it should come with a charger that does not harm the battery even if it is left in the charger overnight. A senior genius told me that hurts the lithium battery more than any thing else. Someone should also sell a 15 amp timer that doesn't get hot as heck with an ipad charger.

Everyone wants a deal Tim.
 
Only Trackpad requires Bluetooth 4.0 says Apple website.

I just bought it, it works on my 27" iMac 2011 WITHOUT bluetooth 4.0 in the normal way.

I didnt need to set up something, it just works. Maybe the power consumption is higher? i dont now.
 
JohnnyCanadian said:
As lovely as the original iMac was, I still think the G4 Sunflower iMac was the peak of Apple's design excellence. It's a striking machine even today!
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It was a nice machine. Strangely they switched fast to the current design. I also like the G4 Cube, a lovely little machine.
 
matthiaswitt said:
Only Trackpad requires Bluetooth 4.0 says Apple website.

I just bought it, it works on my 27" iMac 2011 WITHOUT bluetooth 4.0 in the normal way.

I didnt need to set up something, it just works. Maybe the power consumption is higher? i dont now.
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Does this mean it is backwards compatible with Bluetooth pre-4.0?
 
Looks like my plan of upgrading my late 2009 27" iMac (internal SSD, wireless/bluetooth upgrade, 32GB RAM) to push off buying a new model was a good move. It still meets my needs, has the latest features, and runs the latest OS.
 
Ploki said:
Looks like a nice mouse! I'm too used to scrolling with the track surface of magic though.
so i wonder, how this works:
http://www.logitech.com/en-us/product/ultrathin-touch-mouse-t631?crid=7

and you can have it in black, to complement your black keys on a macbook pro.
for 10$ less.

its small though, but its wide.

I really wish they abandoned "click" and implement force-touch as the primary "click" mechanism.

20131017ultrathin.3.jpg
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I've heard that Logitech's touch implementation is not as fluid.

Honestly it does feel like Apple cheaped out on the Magic Mouse update though. The thing still doesn't even support pinch-to-zoom.
 
What is truly SAD is that you can now buy a PNY 480GB SSD for $139 with free shipping. Tell me why on God's green earth would Apple need to reduce the SSD on a Fusion drive to 20GB on a 1TB 5400 RPM rotational drive when you could have a 480GB 100% SSD in there for $136 at consumer level costs (it would probably cost Apple less than $100). Even with Apple inflated prices, it makes no sense except to gouge the consumer. Apple is probably paying $20 each for those JUNK DRIVES and it just makes them look BAD.
 
brofkand said:
When you say larger, I think you mean in terms of physical size. It's true that at the edge of a larger circle, RPMs translate into faster speeds (that's why you have to have your speedometer re-calibrated when you move to different size tires). However, a 1TB 5400RPM drive is just as fast (or as slow) as a 500GB 5400RPM drive in the same form factor. It's indisputable that a 5400RPM drive is much slower than even a 7200RPM drive when it comes to read and write speeds.

If we want to really nit pick, this is particularly egregious when we consider that prior to 2012, iMacs had 3.5" hard drives. And 7200RPM speeds. So, the new 2015 iMacs are doubly cursed: smaller platters, and slower speeds.

What's that you said about people who know less than they think they know?
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That is incorrect. The larger the capacity, the faster a drive becomes at the same RPM due to larger density. As more data is packed in the same physical space, the less seeking a drive head needs to make to read it.

Disclaimer: I still think Apple are cheapskates for keeping it at 5400. :p
 
AleXXXa said:
Changing batteries takes 1 or 2 minutes every few weeks/months.
Integrating the battery is stupid. Once the battery is old and can't hold a charge you'll have to buy another keyboard/mouse.
Planned obsolescence at its best.
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Logitech had also put rechargeable integrated battery in their new MX Master.

Disposable batteries are eco unfriendly. Rechargeable battery also dies within 2 to 3 years. I put Sanyo's Eneloop (3rd gen.) rechargeable AA battery in my old Logitech Revolution MX. I've to recharge it every 2 to 3 weeks. I bought a pack of batteries at 2013, and all of them are dying now.
 
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