FistfulofAngst said:ahhh much better!
now taking orders!
ships? uh, it's in the mail!
where are the speakers? im not forced to get externals, am i?
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where are the speakers? im not forced to get externals, am i?
Dear whiners,
iMac = iLife. All else starts with a P.
Rev A specs chosen to make Rev B upgrade in 4-6 months at same price levels easy.
This machine will appear on coffee & end tables, totally integrated with daily life. It will compete with laptops, not with other desktops.
Thank you for your concern.
See you next time. It's been a hoot as always.
iMac = iLife. All else starts with a P.
Rev A specs chosen to make Rev B upgrade in 4-6 months at same price levels easy.
This machine will appear on coffee & end tables, totally integrated with daily life. It will compete with laptops, not with other desktops.
Thank you for your concern.
See you next time. It's been a hoot as always.
If only they'd incorporated a virtual keyboard, it would truly have had no footprint...Apple of my eye said:
ipiloot said:
well they did average 2.38 sales a min over it's life time, which I would call pretty good preformance
To further clarify: on the bottom of the system. They point down and are designed to bounce sound off the desktop.Zaty said:
Zaty said:
The better word is 'disappointed' ... that the top range cannot be upgraded... that's were the problem is.
A Second Look
I just downloaded that 10MB Tiff file of the iMacs innards. Good stuff.
1) The ram bank is all the way to the right, and angled outwards over the G5s case. This is a pretty good idea, since if you have any static charge on your person, you won't blast anything important (except the RAM, of course,). For the average user, installing RAM is becoming easier.
2) The fans look intersting. These aren't your standard 12V hobby fans. They are kind of cup shaped, and Apple claims they run as slowly as a few hundred RPMs. It looks almost like it would create a vortex of airflow.
3) What is that opening immediately beneath the power jack? Looks like a security jack to me.
4) What's with all of the huge capacitors and toroidal inductors in the middle of the board? There are 30-40 altogether. Is that conditioning circuitry for the G5? If those are all 160uF caps, that says a lot about the G5's power demands.
Overall a great design. I love how the inside reflects the outside: ordered, clean, thoughtful. This might be the first consumer mac I consider buying.
I just downloaded that 10MB Tiff file of the iMacs innards. Good stuff.
1) The ram bank is all the way to the right, and angled outwards over the G5s case. This is a pretty good idea, since if you have any static charge on your person, you won't blast anything important (except the RAM, of course,
). For the average user, installing RAM is becoming easier.2) The fans look intersting. These aren't your standard 12V hobby fans. They are kind of cup shaped, and Apple claims they run as slowly as a few hundred RPMs. It looks almost like it would create a vortex of airflow.
3) What is that opening immediately beneath the power jack? Looks like a security jack to me.
4) What's with all of the huge capacitors and toroidal inductors in the middle of the board? There are 30-40 altogether. Is that conditioning circuitry for the G5? If those are all 160uF caps, that says a lot about the G5's power demands.
Overall a great design. I love how the inside reflects the outside: ordered, clean, thoughtful. This might be the first consumer mac I consider buying.
HiRez said:
It's got even more of the 'essence' of this:
I'm sure when sony/gateway/whatnot released these LCD-all-in-ones in '99-2001, they weren't copying the 20th century mac.
Savage Henry said:
Nobody's asking for a top-of-the-line video card! The 5200 is a LOW RANGE card, I mean, it's supposed to run 2002/03 games on 800x600 with mid range graphics.
UT2004? Doom3? no, I don't think so. Not with 64RAM.
My bro's 5200 in his PC with 128MB RAM couldn't even run UT04 at higher than 800x600 with decent effects. This thing isn't running anything but the quake series and associates.
5200? Christ, might as well have a voodoo3!
djfern said:
A 3rd party Mfr could make this happen...except for the touch screen.
You have to love it when Apple buys into premier standards like VESA. This will get a lot more people's attention, particularly HR types, when they go shopping for computers.
I think I know... the CPU!trbeat said:
Not so. Apple often listens quite well to their market--ask the eMac owners, etc. etc. A low-end headless is possible, so we SHOULD let Apple know if we want one.Wonder Boy said:
Yvan256 said:
My PowerBook has less power than the iMac and it's great for games. I play UT2004 and will be happy reducing detail if I want to play anything newer.
Of course some people are more hard-core about games than I am. And many care even less than I do. But "barely acceptable" is subjective to YOUR needs. Fair enough--the iMac's not the model for you.
(And, again--those who want more GPU power SHOULD say so. If demand is enough, Apple just might add an option down the road.)
Eh.
It's not beautiful, it's not ugly. I think they should have stuck with SJ's comments about the first iMac and not simply thrown everything in the vertical LCD chassis.
I've got a PM2x2 and I have 4 CRT displays around the house already. I don't need another super powerhouse computer and I don't need an all-in-one system.
I need a Mac about the size of the new iMac G5, perhaps smaller that I can stand next to, or under, an existing 15" to 17" display and use for general stuff: email, web surfing, 2D gaming and writing letters.
So, Apple; take out the LCD screen and hard disk from this beast, shrink the case size a little, and add some reinforcement to the top and sides and add feet, drop the price by about $600 and watch those systems fly out of the showroom faster than iPods for xmas.
The iMac LC
$699
Processor 1.6GHz PowerPC G5
Frontside bus 533MHz
Memory 512MB PC3200 (400MHz) DDR SDRAM, supports up to 2GB
Graphics NVIDIA GeForce FX 5200 Ultra
Hard drive None, net-boot only
Optical drive None, burn from server
Display None, use your existing CRT or LCD display
Ports FireWire 400 port; USB 2.0 port, USB 1.1 port; VGA output
Networking Built-in 10/100/1000BASE-T Ethernet
Wireless AirPort Extreme ready, Bluetooth module available as build-to-order option
Audio Headphone/optical digital audio output; audio line in
You'll notice I also uped the RAM, drop the drives and increase network speed and reduced the ports.
Target audience:
Families who have a PowerMac and want other computers in the house: one in each kids' rooms, the kitchen, family room, etc. but don't want a notebook.
Along with this you enhance the "family pack" of OS X so that one PowerMac has a sort of "OS X Server Light" and the other four licenses are for the net-boot only machines. Perhaps the server portion is just an "application" that runs on the PowerMac.
This, Apple, is the next logical extension of the Digital Hub: branching out in to the corners of the home.
It's not beautiful, it's not ugly. I think they should have stuck with SJ's comments about the first iMac and not simply thrown everything in the vertical LCD chassis.
I've got a PM2x2 and I have 4 CRT displays around the house already. I don't need another super powerhouse computer and I don't need an all-in-one system.
I need a Mac about the size of the new iMac G5, perhaps smaller that I can stand next to, or under, an existing 15" to 17" display and use for general stuff: email, web surfing, 2D gaming and writing letters.
So, Apple; take out the LCD screen and hard disk from this beast, shrink the case size a little, and add some reinforcement to the top and sides and add feet, drop the price by about $600 and watch those systems fly out of the showroom faster than iPods for xmas.
The iMac LC
$699
Processor 1.6GHz PowerPC G5
Frontside bus 533MHz
Memory 512MB PC3200 (400MHz) DDR SDRAM, supports up to 2GB
Graphics NVIDIA GeForce FX 5200 Ultra
Hard drive None, net-boot only
Optical drive None, burn from server
Display None, use your existing CRT or LCD display
Ports FireWire 400 port; USB 2.0 port, USB 1.1 port; VGA output
Networking Built-in 10/100/1000BASE-T Ethernet
Wireless AirPort Extreme ready, Bluetooth module available as build-to-order option
Audio Headphone/optical digital audio output; audio line in
You'll notice I also uped the RAM, drop the drives and increase network speed and reduced the ports.
Target audience:
Families who have a PowerMac and want other computers in the house: one in each kids' rooms, the kitchen, family room, etc. but don't want a notebook.
Along with this you enhance the "family pack" of OS X so that one PowerMac has a sort of "OS X Server Light" and the other four licenses are for the net-boot only machines. Perhaps the server portion is just an "application" that runs on the PowerMac.
This, Apple, is the next logical extension of the Digital Hub: branching out in to the corners of the home.
That's why they have the PowerMac line. Your typical buyer of - and target audience for - the new iMacs is not going to be bumping into those limits at all. A lot of people still use Windows 98 (or even 95) or old, old Macs. These people aren't going to see this system as limited. In fact, the vast majority of computer users will be well served by this system for many years. Hell, I can still use my five year old PB for most everything. I'm pretty sure this iMac will suit the needs of most people quite well. Your typical user isn't exactly pegging the CPU on even five-year-old systems now.Little Endian said:
I like the looks of the new iMacs a lot. In fact, I was thinking of cancelling my current order for the new G5 tower and wait for ther iMac. That is til I realized I would probably have to wait until early nexr year for delivery.
I ordered my G5 tower in June and now have the approximate date of September 17 for delivery. Even though Apple says a few weeks before delivery, it is probably more likely to be a few months - estimate of early 2005.
So I am waiting on my G5 2.5 tower and taking my chances on the September 17 delivery.
Kathy
I ordered my G5 tower in June and now have the approximate date of September 17 for delivery. Even though Apple says a few weeks before delivery, it is probably more likely to be a few months - estimate of early 2005.
So I am waiting on my G5 2.5 tower and taking my chances on the September 17 delivery.
Kathy
www.macobserver.com
have got some interesting videos on the new iMac.
The second one is quite interesting.
have got some interesting videos on the new iMac.
The second one is quite interesting.
20" iMac G5
It does so much look like an eMac or a large iPod in color. There are some specs I'm excited to see, others are disappointing.
First of all, no ones commented that the 20" iMac G5 has a min. of 160 GB hard drive and across the board you can get a max of 250 GB.
That's fantastic. I have a 17" iMac G4 and its only got 80 GB...larger wasn't available when I ordered it. I have three external HDs plugged into mine (120 GB, 160 GB, 200 GB). Heck, alone 81 GBs on one of those drives is music, 99.99% legal! Over 4 GBs is photos for iPhoto. I can now house my entire music library ON my iMac (no externals) and still have room for photos & some movie editing..
The two things I'm a bit disappointed in are the lack of a higher end graphics card and no Firewire 800 port?!?! A third firewire port would have been nice too, in my opinion...
It does so much look like an eMac or a large iPod in color. There are some specs I'm excited to see, others are disappointing.
First of all, no ones commented that the 20" iMac G5 has a min. of 160 GB hard drive and across the board you can get a max of 250 GB.
That's fantastic. I have a 17" iMac G4 and its only got 80 GB...larger wasn't available when I ordered it. I have three external HDs plugged into mine (120 GB, 160 GB, 200 GB). Heck, alone 81 GBs on one of those drives is music, 99.99% legal! Over 4 GBs is photos for iPhoto. I can now house my entire music library ON my iMac (no externals) and still have room for photos & some movie editing..
The two things I'm a bit disappointed in are the lack of a higher end graphics card and no Firewire 800 port?!?! A third firewire port would have been nice too, in my opinion...
Yvan256 said:
John Carmack can shove his attitude up his $#^*@#.
He's never liked macs at all, don't listen to a word he says about them. He makes Rob Enderle look like a genius.
paxtonandrew said:A $1.800 computer with less than 512 megs of ram
eMac with a flat panel monitor eat your heart out!
I agree to a point.
I do think that the 20" should have had 512mb RAM. Even better would have been BT built-in and wireless keyboard and mouse standard on all models. Video card wise, I think that 128mb should have been a BTO.
for massproduction the imac g5 is very easy to do - the whole design speaks this language ... and here we go: the price is great !
check the comparison http://bjoggi.com/imacvspowermac.htm
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check the comparison http://bjoggi.com/imacvspowermac.htm
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I'm not impressed. 256Mb of RAM sucks, and anyone who uses Mac OS X and is even a lil computer saavy knows this, why doesn't Apple? GeForce 5200FX is crap. You can get GeForce 4 based cards that will out-perform it, and 64Mb of DDR VRAM isn't anything awesome. Having no bluetooth support (except shelling out extra for the BTO option) I think defeats the whole design of the machine. The lack of FW800 isn't too big of a deal I think, and the processors these machines are equipped with really aren't all that (this being more or less IBM's fault than Apple's). SATA drives and even the 80Gb isn't half bad at all, and a combo drive isn't anything to complain about, but weighing the cons I don't believe this computer is worth $1,300-$1,900 that Apple is asking, especially given that the processor and GPU are non-upgradeable.
Bottom line- Apple was better off waiting another month and releasing something better.
Bottom line- Apple was better off waiting another month and releasing something better.
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